I am a Baha'i. Like to know understanding of Christians on Luke 3:3-6, Isaiah 40:3-5

[JesusistheChrist]

Thank you crossnote. Going back to the subject at hand, as Luke quotes Isaiah, in comparing Luke 3:3-6 with Isaiah 40:3-5 in what ways is Luke 3:6 relevant to Isaiah 40:5?

Here are the two verses:

Luke 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Isaiah 40:5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Hi, thebesttrees.

I believe that if you expanded both of your "quotes" to a fuller context, then you would find the answer which you're seeking. For example, a fuller "quote" of Isaiah chapter 40 would read as follows:

Isaiah chapter 40

[3] The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
[4] Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
[5] And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
[6] The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:
[7] The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.
[8] The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
[9] O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!
[10] Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

IOW, immediately after mentioning how "the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, AND ALL FLESH SHALL SEE IT TOGETHER", Isaiah continued on to say via Divine Inspiration that this same "ALL FLESH is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field" or like that which "fades" and "blows away". Peter actually cited this portion of Isaiah in his first epistle when he wrote:

I Peter chapter 1

[21] Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
[22] Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
[23] Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
[24] For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
[25] But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

The overall context of Peter's first and second epistles is that of "pilgrims and strangers" (I Peter 2:11) here on this earth who are looking for "a new heavens and a new earth wherein dwells righteousness" (II Peter 3:13) and, as such, Peter cited this portion of Isaiah chapter 40 to remind his readers of how temporary this present life is ("all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass") in contrast to eternity which is to come or in contrast to "the word of the Lord which endures forever". How is this significant? Well, it's significant in that Peter was citing this portion of scripture in the actual CONTEXT of how it was originally written. IOW, if you go back and read a fuller CONTEXT of Isaiah chapter 40, then I believe that you will see that that the prophecy concerning "all flesh seeing the revealed glory of the LORD together" is for THE FUTURE. This becomes even more evident when we consider Isaiah 40:10 which reads:

"Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him." (Isaiah 40:10)

Again, part of this verse is cited in the New Testament IN IT'S ORIGINAL CONTEXT in the book of Revelation:

"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." (Revelation 22:12)

This part of Isaiah's prophecy will not be fulfilled until the time comes that Christ returns or until He "comes quickly". With such being THE ORIGINAL CONTEXT of Isaiah's prophecy, why should we look for its fulfillment during John the Baptist's lifetime? We shouldn't. Part of what was prophesied concerning John's ministry AND WHAT WOULD FOLLOW has already been fulfilled and part of it won't be fulfilled until Christ's second coming. I believe that this becomes even more obvious if we also look at a fuller CONTEXT of your "quote" from Luke's gospel:

Luke chapter 3

[3] And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
[4] As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
[5] Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
[6] And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
[7] Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
[8] Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
[9] And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

CONTEXTUALLY, John warned of "the wrath TO COME". Again, did said "wrath come" during John's lifetime or was he speaking off into THE FUTURE? Well, obviously, he was speaking of THE FUTURE and I believe that when Christ returns both His wrath and His glory shall be revealed to all flesh.

Hopefully, this helps.

 

[jeff_peacemkr]

Yahweh says clearly never to even consider bahai (or any pagan religion), and never to study it (not to study the ways of other nations (pagans).
He, being the Creator, the ONLY Creator, has the implicit right to say so; and He curses anyone who trusts in other gods or in the flesh.
He does not, no, accept 'mixture'.... those who bring 'strange fire', Yahweh is opposed to. to say they can be 'mixed' is LIE.

Here is a link from the Bahai about Bahai. Accordingly in my estimation anyone holding to Bahai would be contradicting Jesus' teachings e.g. John 14:6.

 

[Elin]

try this link instead...

The Baha'is: What is the Bahá’í Faith?

Are you sure you're not lying when you say you are a Christian?

An excerpt...

"Bahá’u’lláh claimed to be nothing less than a new and independent Messenger from God. His life, work, and influence parallel that of Abraham, Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Christ, and Muhammad. Bahá’ís view Bahá’u’lláh as the most recent in this succession of divine Messengers.


The essential message of Bahá’u’lláh is that of unity. He taught that there is only one God, that there is only one human race, and that all the world’s religions represent stages in the revelation of God’s will and purpose for humanity. In this day, Bahá’u’lláh said, humanity has collectively come of age. As foretold in all of the world’s scriptures, the time has arrived for the uniting of all peoples into a peaceful and integrated global society. “The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens,”

Hmmmm. . . . .

 

[4enlightment]

I am a Baha'i and as someone who studies the Bible, would like to know the understanding of Christians regarding the prophecies about John the Baptist in the Bible as recorded in Isaiah 40:3-5 and which are referenced in Luke 3:3-6.

John was just preparing the people for the coming of God. In those days, they were order to cleansed themselves and clothes with water and they are not to even have sex with their spouse, until the Lord comes. They'd believed that water washes away evil spirits from the soul, and so John was Baptizing them, getting them ready for the coming.

Exodus 19:9 The Lord said to Moses, “I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people will hear me speaking with you and will always put their trust in you.” Then Moses told the Lord what the people had said.
10 And the Lord said to Moses, “Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow. Have them wash their clothes 11 and be ready by the third day, because on that day the Lord will come down on Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people.

2 Kings 5:10 Elisha sent a messenger to say to him, “Go, wash yourself seven times in the Jordan, and your flesh will be restored and you will be cleansed.”
11 But Naaman went away angry and said, “I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the Lord his God, wave his hand over the spot and cure me of my leprosy. 12 Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? Couldn’t I wash in them and be cleansed?” So he turned and went off in a rage.

13 Naaman’s servants went to him and said, “My father, if the prophet had told you to do some great thing, would you not have done it? How much more, then, when he tells you, ‘Wash and be cleansed’!” 14 So he went down and dipped himself in the Jordan seven times, as the man of God had told him, and his flesh was restored and became clean like that of a young boy.

 

[ISeeYou]

The part of Naaman in 4enlightenment's post is one of the same ones I was looking at between the two

Just pulling a snippet from a study on just that one part

Elisha (who came after Elijah) cleansed the leper (Naaman) by telling him to go through several washings in the Jordan (which is also where John baptized)

So Naaman then was senta messenger from Elisha telling him to wash in the Jordan

But Naaman was wroth because he had thought "the prophet" would do this thing in this particular way

2Kings 5:11 But Naaman was wroth, and went away, and said, Behold, I thought, He will surely come out to me, and stand, and call on the name of the LORD his God, and strike his hand over the place, and recover the leper.

Now, when John (the Elijah for to come) sends his disciples to ask Jesus (who came after him) if He was the one to come or should they expect another, Jesus tells Johns disciples to just go back to John and tell him those things you hear and see, one of the which was that the lepers are cleansed (Naaman was a leper)

For me this is interesting because what Naaman had thought to expect (at the first) of Elisha (who comes after Elijah) this was not delivered in the way he had thought, however it is Jesus who delivers it to a leper here in that way.

Mark 1:40 And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canstmake me clean.

Mark 1:4 And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean.

Or at least it comes pretty close to Naaman's expectation in Jesus own delivery

Behold, I thought, He will surely come out to me, and stand, and call on the name of the LORD his God, and strike his hand over the place, and recover the leper.

I just thought that was neat, what that means in the bigger picture of things (along with everything else) not sure but having fun picking through these things until it all come together somewhere down the line.

 

[4enlightment]

The part of Naaman in 4enlightenment's post is one of the same ones I was looking at between the two

Just pulling a snippet from a study on just that one part

Elisha (who came after Elijah) cleansed the leper (Naaman) by telling him to go through several washings in the Jordan (which is also where John baptized)

So Naaman then was senta messenger from Elisha telling him to wash in the Jordan

But Naaman was wroth because he had thought "the prophet" would do this thing in this particular way

2Kings 5:11 But Naaman was wroth, and went away, and said, Behold, I thought, He will surely come out to me, and stand, and call on the name of the LORD his God, and strike his hand over the place, and recover the leper.

Now, when John (the Elijah for to come) sends his disciples to ask Jesus (who came after him) if He was the one to come or should they expect another, Jesus tells Johns disciples to just go back to John and tell him those things you hear and see, one of the which was that the lepers are cleansed (Naaman was a leper)

For me this is interesting because what Naaman had thought to expect (at the first) of Elisha (who comes after Elijah) this was not delivered in the way he had thought, however it is Jesus who delivers it to a leper here in that way.

Mark 1:40 And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canstmake me clean.

Mark 1:4 And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean.

Or at least it comes pretty close to Naaman's expectation in Jesus own delivery

Behold, I thought, He will surely come out to me, and stand, and call on the name of the LORD his God, and strike his hand over the place, and recover the leper.

I just thought that was neat, what that means in the bigger picture of things (along with everything else) not sure but having fun picking through these things until it all come together somewhere down the line.

Yes, there's a pattern. Elijah had doubted as John had done; and the one that has came after them were even more powerful than the first. I believe that the living water that Jesus had mentioned is symbolic for the powers that flows from out of Him, that replenishes or restores everything in which we are being restored by the word. I believe that the Jordan( Which means the descender ) had once restored people back to being young again or whatever, but only if a prophet had willed it to be so. Ponce De Leon had believed that a certain spring that had restored people's youth, and so he had went looking for it.

Jeremiah 2:13 “My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.

Zechariah 14:8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
John 4:11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water?

John 7:38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”


The Fountain of Youth is a spring that supposedly restores the youth of anyone who drinks or bathes in its waters. Tales of such a fountain have been recounted across the world for thousands of years, appearing in writings by Herodotus (5th century BCE), the Alexander romance (3rd century CE), and the stories of Prester John (early Crusades, 11th/12th centuries CE). Stories of similar waters were also evidently prominent among the indigenous peoples of the Caribbean during the Age of Exploration(early 16th century), who spoke of the restorative powers of the water in the mythical land of Bimini.
The legend became particularly prominent in the 16th century, when it became attached to the Spanish explorer Juan Ponce de León, first Governor of Puerto Rico. According to an apocryphal combination of New World and Eurasian elements, Ponce de León was searching for the Fountain of Youth when he traveled to what is now Florida in 1513. Fountain of Youth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The legends of Prester John (also Presbyter Johannes) were popular in Europe from the 12th through the 17th centuries, and told of a Christian patriarch and king said to rule over a Christian nation lost amidst the Muslims and pagans in the Orient. Written accounts of this kingdom are variegated collections of medieval popular fantasy. Prester John was reportedly a descendant of one of the Three Magi, said to be a generous ruler and a virtuous man, presiding over a realm full of riches and strange creatures, in which the Patriarch of the Saint Thomas Christians resided. His kingdom contained such marvels as the Gates of Alexander and theFountain of Youth, and even bordered the Earthly Paradise. Among his treasures was a mirror through which every province could be seen, the fabled original from which the "speculum literature" of the late Middle Ages and Renaissance was derived, in which the prince's realms were surveyed and his duties laid out.[SUP][1]
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At first, Prester John was imagined to reside in India; tales of the Nestorian Christians' evangelistic success there and of Thomas the Apostle's subcontinental travels as documented in works like the Acts of Thomas probably provided the first seeds of the legend. Prester John - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Eva1218]

Thank you. I believe I will have to be more specific about what I would like to learn. Here are the verses from Luke 3

3And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;​

4As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
5Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
6And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Here is my question: what is a Christian's understanding of

1. WILDERNESS?
2. MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT?
3. How was EVERY VALLEY FILLED?
4. How was EVERY MOUNTAIN AND HILL BROUGHT LOW?
5. How were THE CROOKED MADE STRAIGHT?
6. How were THE ROUGH WAYS MADE SMOOTH?
7. How did ALL FLESH SEE THE SALVATION OF GOD at the time of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ?

Thank you.

The bible is telling us that by predestination GOD has given Isaiah the Prophet a Revelation of what is to come. In the Old Testament the people were taught about the MESSIAH and HIS Coming. In both Luke and Isaiah we see they are the same, GOD is revealing regarding the Mandate of John the Baptist, he is the one to come prior to JESUS to be in the wilderness/a place that is unkept, abandoned there John is to make JESUS path straight by speaking to people about Repentance. The valley was filled by people coming to hear John. Every mountain and hill was brought low by the people confessing their sins before GOD. The crooked made straight by the people Repenting before GOD. The rough ways made smooth by the people being Baptized for the remissions of sins. all flesh see the Salvation of GOD because JESUS CHRIST is the SAVIOR of the world.

I pray this helps you in your journey :")

Blessings!!!!!!!

 

[4enlightment]

Yahweh says clearly never to even consider bahai (or any pagan religion), and never to study it (not to study the ways of other nations (pagans).
He, being the Creator, the ONLY Creator, has the implicit right to say so; and He curses anyone who trusts in other gods or in the flesh.
He does not, no, accept 'mixture'.... those who bring 'strange fire', Yahweh is opposed to. to say they can be 'mixed' is LIE.

The Bahá'í Faith (Arabic: الدّين البهائي‎ Ad-Dīn al-Bahā'ī) /bəˈhaɪ/[SUP][1][/SUP]) is a monotheistic religion which emphasizes the spiritual unity of all humankind.[SUP][2][/SUP] Three core principles establish a basis for Bahá'í teachings and doctrine: the unity of God, that there is only oneGod who is the source of all creation; the unity of religion, that all major religions have the same spiritual source and come from the same God; and the unity of humanity, that all humans have been created equal and that diversity of race and culture are seen as worthy of appreciation and acceptance.[SUP][3][/SUP] According to the Bahá'í Faith's teachings, the human purpose is to learn to know and to love God through such methods as prayer, reflection and being of service to humanity. Bahá'í Faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mark 9:40 for whoever is not against us is for us.

 

[thebesttrees]

The Wrath...

Hi, thebesttrees.


CONTEXTUALLY, John warned of "the wrath TO COME". Again, did said "wrath come" during John's lifetime or was he speaking off into THE FUTURE? Well, obviously, he was speaking of THE FUTURE and I believe that when Christ returns both His wrath and His glory shall be revealed to all flesh.

Hopefully, this helps.

Dear JesusistheChrist thank you for taking the time and sharing your thoughts. I will have to study a lot more as you have brought in many other verses that indeed do shed light on my original questions. At the end you mention and I quote:

CONTEXTUALLY, John warned of "the wrath TO COME". Again, did said "wrath come" during John's lifetime or was he speaking off into THE FUTURE? Well, obviously, he was speaking of THE FUTURE and I believe that when Christ returns both His wrath and His glory shall be revealed to all flesh.
​

I believe there was "wrath" during the times of John and Jesus Christ. I personally cannot conceive of any "wrath" more severe than being deprived of the grace of believing in Christ and being saved by the Lord. Can you think of any "wrath" more severe? A "wrath" that the unbelievers brought upon themselves by not following their Lord.

 

[thebesttrees]

...I believe that the living water that Jesus had mentioned is symbolic for the powers that flows from out of Him, that replenishes or restores everything in which we are being restored by the word. .....

John 7:38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”

Thank you 4enlightment. The two things that you mentioned above have helped me a lot. I will have to study in particular John 7. Thank you again.

 

[thebesttrees]

...
I pray this helps you in your journey :")

Blessings!!!!!!!

Thank you Eva1218 for your prayers. I am in need of them.

 

[thebesttrees]

The part of Naaman in 4enlightenment's post is one of the same ones I was looking at between the two

Just pulling a snippet from a study on just that one part

Elisha (who came after Elijah) cleansed the leper (Naaman) by telling him to go through several washings in the Jordan (which is also where John baptized)

So Naaman then was senta messenger from Elisha telling him to wash in the Jordan

But Naaman was wroth because he had thought "the prophet" would do this thing in this particular way

2Kings 5:11 But Naaman was wroth, and went away, and said, Behold, I thought, He will surely come out to me, and stand, and call on the name of the LORD his God, and strike his hand over the place, and recover the leper.

Now, when John (the Elijah for to come) sends his disciples to ask Jesus (who came after him) if He was the one to come or should they expect another, Jesus tells Johns disciples to just go back to John and tell him those things you hear and see, one of the which was that the lepers are cleansed (Naaman was a leper)

For me this is interesting because what Naaman had thought to expect (at the first) of Elisha (who comes after Elijah) this was not delivered in the way he had thought, however it is Jesus who delivers it to a leper here in that way.

Mark 1:40 And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canstmake me clean.

Mark 1:4 And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean.

Or at least it comes pretty close to Naaman's expectation in Jesus own delivery

Behold, I thought, He will surely come out to me, and stand, and call on the name of the LORD his God, and strike his hand over the place, and recover the leper.

I just thought that was neat, what that means in the bigger picture of things (along with everything else) not sure but having fun picking through these things until it all come together somewhere down the line.

Thank you ISeeYou. Please explain the "bigger picture of things".

 

[Elin]

Mark 9:40 for whoever is not against us is for us.

Those who do not accept Jesus as the only way to the Father, excluding all others (Jn 14:6), are against us, not for us.
Those who do not accept faith in Jesus' propitiation (Ro 3:25) as the only means of salvation from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9),
are against us, not for us.
Those who do not accept that all mankind, except Jesus, are sinners in need of salvation (Ro 3:10) are against us, not for us.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

The Wrath...



Dear JesusistheChrist thank you for taking the time and sharing your thoughts. I will have to study a lot more as you have brought in many other verses that indeed do shed light on my original questions. At the end you mention and I quote:

CONTEXTUALLY, John warned of "the wrath TO COME". Again, did said "wrath come" during John's lifetime or was he speaking off into THE FUTURE? Well, obviously, he was speaking of THE FUTURE and I believe that when Christ returns both His wrath and His glory shall be revealed to all flesh.
​

I believe there was "wrath" during the times of John and Jesus Christ. I personally cannot conceive of any "wrath" more severe than being deprived of the grace of believing in Christ and being saved by the Lord. Can you think of any "wrath" more severe? A "wrath" that the unbelievers brought upon themselves by not following their Lord.

Hi, thebesttrees.

Again, just read the text:

Luke chapter 3

[3] And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
[4] As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
[5] Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
[6] And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
[7] Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
[8] Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
[9] And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

John clearly warned people "to flee from the wrath TO COME", didn't he? He likewise mentioned that which shall ultimately be "cast into the fire" and this speaks of "the second death" (Revelation 20:11-15) or the lake of fire which is yet FUTURE. Anyhow, John truly was "NOW laying the axe unto the root of the trees" or he truly was "NOW" dealing directly with the sins of the people of his day, but this doesn't change the fact that the ultimate judgment has NOT YET TRANSPIRED.

Hopefully, this helps.

 

[4enlightment]

Those who do not accept Jesus as the only way to the Father, excluding all others (Jn 14:6), are against us, not for us.
Those who do not accept faith in Jesus' propitiation (Ro 3:25) as the only means of salvation from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9),
are against us, not for us.
Those who do not accept that all mankind, except Jesus, are sinners in need of salvation (Ro 3:10) are against us, not for us.

Who said that they doesn't except Jesus? They are seekers, that is looking for the truth.

Matthew 6:33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

Exodus 18:15 Moses answered him, “Because the people come to me to seek God’s will.

Deuteronomy 4:29 But if from there you seek the Lord your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Matthew 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

Matthew 2:7 Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared.

Matthew 24:26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

Luke 24:5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead?

 

[ISeeYou]

Thank you ISeeYou. Please explain the "bigger picture of things".

Hello thebesttrees, Peace unto you.

In the bottom paragraph, I wrote,

I just thought that was neat, what that means in the bigger picture of things (along with everything else) not sure but having fun picking through these things until it all come together somewhere down the line.

At this point in time these are each still very much in part for me.

I couldnt adequately put together all that was prophesied of in the OT and show it line by line into the NT.

 

[Elin]

Those who do not
accept Jesus as the only way to the Father, excluding all others (Jn 14:6), are against us, not for us. Those who do not
accept faith in Jesus' propitiation (Ro 3:25) as the only means of salvation from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9), are against us, not for us. Those who do not
accept that all mankind, except Jesus, are sinners in need of salvation (Ro 3:10) are against us, not for us.

Who said that they doesn't except Jesus?

Who said acceptance of Jesus was enough?

 

[4enlightment]

Who said acceptance of Jesus was enough?

14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Elin]

14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.

Yes, that would be the Jesus Christ of the Scriptures,
not the Jesus Christ of one's own notions.

 

[crossnote]

Who said that they doesn't except Jesus? They are seekers, that is looking for the truth.

I took these quotes straight off the Baha'i site itself (see post #60)


"Bahá’u’lláh claimed to be nothing less than a new and independent Messenger from God. His life, work, and influence parallel that of Abraham, Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Christ, and Muhammad. Bahá’ís view Bahá’u’lláh as the most recent in this succession of divine Messengers.

The essential message of Bahá’u’lláh is that of unity. He taught that there is only one God, that there is only one human race, and that all the world’s religions represent stages in the revelation of God’s will and purpose for humanity. In this day, Bahá’u’lláh said, humanity has collectively come of age. As foretold in all of the world’s scriptures, the time has arrived for the uniting of all peoples into a peaceful and integrated global society. “The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens,”

First of all, notice how 'Jesus' is just one of many. Secondly notice that religions are evolved stages ...of course Baha'i transcending all by uniting all.

A person may be seeking, but while he is seeking you would do him a service by explaining why a system such as Baha'i is false and not defend the error.