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Really? Take a look at Peter.
Also see this (read the whole account)
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus[/TD]
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Also see this (read the whole account)
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[TD="class: td_bible_verse_heading, width: 68, align: left"]1Co 5:5[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus[/TD]
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[TD="class: vRefb"]Rom 3:27[/TD]
[TD="class: vDispb"]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.[/TD]
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Rom 4:6[/TD]
[TD="class: vDispa"]Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,[/TD]
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Rom 9:11[/TD]
[TD="class: vDispb"](For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
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Rom 11:6[/TD]
[TD="class: vDispa"]And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work[/TD]
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[TD="class: vRefb"]Rom 3:27[/TD]
[TD="class: vDispb"]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.[/TD]
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[TD="class: vDispa"]Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,[/TD]
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[TD="class: vDispb"](For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
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[TD="class: vDispa"]And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work[/TD]
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I read the scripture... It is truth, I just don't have the understanding of this quite well.. I was one who was saved at 17 filled with Holy Ghost and open eyes ... but I was literally away from the world when this happened.. No contact with " old friends " and the like.. when I did come back into the world, I felt very different, I didn't realize how different until I was surrounded with my " old self friends " one that I was some what close with finally talked me into smoking marijuana with him and getting back familiar with my old self.. I soon fell back to sleep and back to the world.. Was in a maximum security prison six months later.. My life has been in jeopardy quite a few times from that point, I can think of five times at least off top of my head.. Had I' would've died, I would've died to the world.. I would've been destined to hell for sure .. of course I didn't die, and am back awake for good now ... So I guess this holds true... Smh, I wouldn't advise to do what we want because of being " predestined " plenty of pain and heart ache will follow suit, I have the scars to prove it..
Are we sure Paul wrote this......?
The Epistle to the Ephesians, also called the Letter to the Ephesians and often shortened to Ephesians, is the tenth book of the New Testament. Its authorship has traditionally been credited to Paul the Apostle but, starting in 1792, this has been challenged[1][2] as Deutero-Pauline, that is, written in Paul's name by a later author strongly influenced by Paul's thought.[3][4][5][6][7]
The Epistle to the Ephesians, also called the Letter to the Ephesians and often shortened to Ephesians, is the tenth book of the New Testament. Its authorship has traditionally been credited to Paul the Apostle but, starting in 1792, this has been challenged[1][2] as Deutero-Pauline, that is, written in Paul's name by a later author strongly influenced by Paul's thought.[3][4][5][6][7]
you speak of the HS as if he is a hex or some seal in witchcraft that makes you do things against your will....if one cannot walk away they are not free....if one cannot stop believing ....someone is controlling his mind ...he is not free....
scripture is clear some will depart from the faith....you are saying one cannot walk away from the faith...
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
the seal of the HS is a mark of ownership.....not what you are implying...if what you are saying is true ...then Paul is lying....
1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
And I believe Paul over you...I believe you are in error my friend....
scripture is clear some will depart from the faith....you are saying one cannot walk away from the faith...
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
the seal of the HS is a mark of ownership.....not what you are implying...if what you are saying is true ...then Paul is lying....
1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
And I believe Paul over you...I believe you are in error my friend....
"for the destruction of the flesh. Doesn't say for the destruction of the soul. The man never lost his Salvation. Fact is, he didn't have Salvation at that point.
The man did in fact repent of his wickedness as related in 2 Corinthians.
Had he been saved and lost it, it would have been impossible to renew him to repentance.
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Nice try.
The man did in fact repent of his wickedness as related in 2 Corinthians.
Had he been saved and lost it, it would have been impossible to renew him to repentance.
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Nice try.
As long as you have a couch in your living room, do you think you can believe that you have no couch in your living room?
We who are saved have the Holy Spirit in us. He testifies of Christ in our lives. The heart itself is deceitful above all and desperately wicked. How can I choose not to believe in One who is present with me at all times?
The answer is simple... I cannot.
We who are saved have the Holy Spirit in us. He testifies of Christ in our lives. The heart itself is deceitful above all and desperately wicked. How can I choose not to believe in One who is present with me at all times?
The answer is simple... I cannot.
you can have a couch in your living room and sit on the floor everyday....it is your choice...unless the maker of the couch placed a couch magnet to your butt that pulls you there against your will...even so God placed the HS in us but he does not force us against our will....that is why the scripture says if you follow the Spirit...one has to submit to God willingly as Christ did...
you do not understand that scripture ...so you are honestly mistaken...if one departs from the living God they are like the dog that return to his vomit.......but the living God stands at the door and knocks ....those who hear the voice and let him in will be reconciled...but you cannot return to the place of repenting, baptism and receiving the HS again...that only happens once.....will you stop being mistaken or stop being honestly mistaken
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Its funny that some demand a certain amount of doubt has to be in our faith before we can be saved by faith...doubt is not faith...its unbelief and what many cannot see is its their legalism that is blinding them to having true faith... The law is not of faith...because it says salvation is based upon us...the righteous shall live by faith because we know and rejoice that salvation is based upon Christ and His work in us.