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Sorry Hoffco, because as I do believe the Holy Spirit convicts a believer for doing wrong does not mean that we still don't have the choice to accept that correction. Paul clearly tells the Galatians that they have been bewitched by false teaching that has pulled them away from God's saving grace that they originally walked in. Telling them they have fallen from His grace. You can not have God's grace and say you are not saved, calling it a common thing.
The bible specifically says not to count the saving grace through the blood of Christ a common thing in Hebrews.
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John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Lord Jesus clearly says He lost Judas. Judas could not have been lost if He was not in Christ ever to begin with.
I know this makes a lot of you feel better to say they were never His to begin with, but that is not what scripture says. And others say you have come to share in Christ only if you remain faithful and obedient to Him.
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Lord Jesus clearly says He lost Judas. Judas could not have been lost if He was not in Christ ever to begin with.
I know this makes a lot of you feel better to say they were never His to begin with, but that is not what scripture says. And others say you have come to share in Christ only if you remain faithful and obedient to Him.
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Who are these people Juduses or not ?
[h=1]Matthew 7:21-23King James Version (KJV)[/h]21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Did they have genuine faith in God ?
[h=1]Matthew 7:21-23King James Version (KJV)[/h]21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Did they have genuine faith in God ?
Mitspa is correct on this debate.. Problem is not everyone's in the Spirit, all they hear is the law is null and void.. and it is, to those in the Spirit... I don't hear a lot of Spirit preaching here, rather it be threads about water, works, and so on... Hardly ever the Spirit.. That's where the focus should be ... Helping folks get the Holy Ghost,
12Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
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I hear a of the love her, the Spirits fruit of love here, we are speaking the truth in love to our brothers who don't understand the Bible the way we do. We all think we are right, but someone is wrong, sooo who is right and who is wrong? I guess, "time only will tell", Heaven will only tell us, because we will not change our deep convictions down here. Salvation is only received by Repenting, trusting and Obeying Jesus. If you agree, I will say you are saved, if not ,I can not say ,you are saved.??? Love to all Hoffco
even in english this is so wrong.
judas was always lost, even when Jesus picked him "he picked a devil" and he knew it, and he said so(it is written).
for 'grammatical' evidence, which isn't needed, but verifies this, (Jesus never contradicted the Torah/Scripture)
see John 17:12 Commentaries: "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
in which to wit >>
"But if the interpretation of the εἰ μὴ given above is sound, there is no inclusion of the traitor among those who are "of the truth," etc.; but he was one who, notwithstanding boundless opportunity, went to his own place in the perversity of his own will. "
judas was always lost, even when Jesus picked him "he picked a devil" and he knew it, and he said so(it is written).
for 'grammatical' evidence, which isn't needed, but verifies this, (Jesus never contradicted the Torah/Scripture)
see John 17:12 Commentaries: "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
in which to wit >>
"But if the interpretation of the εἰ μὴ given above is sound, there is no inclusion of the traitor among those who are "of the truth," etc.; but he was one who, notwithstanding boundless opportunity, went to his own place in the perversity of his own will. "