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Hmm... isn't that rather "naive"?! Haven't you read the passage where the apostle Paul says: "I strive to do good but evil is always standing in my way"?? Coz when you talk like that, you're either being a hypocrite or you're simply naive. But that wasn't the point of my scenario; which was based on the law against adultery, but which would apply to any other law.
Think of any one of the 10 commandments, and assume that you're struggling with it. And suppose that 2 options are presented before you: Either to dismiss the Law entirely (and hence stop suffering guilt); or to stick to the belief that you must overcome sin, and therefore endure GUILT up until it either kills you or you win the war. My question was: What would you recommend?
Think of any one of the 10 commandments, and assume that you're struggling with it. And suppose that 2 options are presented before you: Either to dismiss the Law entirely (and hence stop suffering guilt); or to stick to the belief that you must overcome sin, and therefore endure GUILT up until it either kills you or you win the war. My question was: What would you recommend?
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Poor old Paul spending all those epistles writtng about the difference between law and grace. And then chewing Peter out in front of the whole world over this silly issue? Odd how some have advanced past the principles of things into place where they insult others for looking into the truths if scripture? I know nothing yet as I should know.
hahaaa... "Poor old Paul" indeed...
Anyhow. There's something you wrote earlier that I liked; "... what part of love in the law of Christ does not more than keep the written code if Moses?"
I will hang onto that, as the one thing I'll remember you about. And by the way, this is the internet so, maybe it's wiser to expect every kind of comments (even insulting ones I suppose). I just know that from within all this noise, the Truth will always break through the boundaries and reveal itself to us. Therefore, do not be discouraged. Keep on moving... "looking into the truths of scripture" as you put it.
Anyhow. There's something you wrote earlier that I liked; "... what part of love in the law of Christ does not more than keep the written code if Moses?"
I will hang onto that, as the one thing I'll remember you about.
And by the way, this is the internet so, maybe it's wiser to expect every kind of comments (even insulting ones I suppose). I just know that from within all this noise, the Truth will always break through the boundaries and reveal itself to us. Therefore, do not be discouraged. Keep on moving... "looking into the truths of scripture" as you put it.
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Hmm... isn't that rather "naive"?! Haven't you read the passage where the apostle Paul says: "I strive to do good but evil is always standing in my way"?? Coz when you talk like that, you're either being a hypocrite or you're simply naive. But that wasn't the point of my scenario; which was based on the law against adultery, but which would apply to any other law.
Think of any one of the 10 commandments, and assume that you're struggling with it. And suppose that 2 options are presented before you: Either to dismiss the Law entirely (and hence stop suffering guilt); or to stick to the belief that you must overcome sin, and therefore endure GUILT up until it either kills you or you win the war. My question was: What would you recommend?
Think of any one of the 10 commandments, and assume that you're struggling with it. And suppose that 2 options are presented before you: Either to dismiss the Law entirely (and hence stop suffering guilt); or to stick to the belief that you must overcome sin, and therefore endure GUILT up until it either kills you or you win the war. My question was: What would you recommend?
Put these things of the flesh to death? As the bible clearly tells us? I guess I am just naive enough to believe that the bible is absolute in its truth? I'm kinda like a child I guess? But you can do it how ever seems right to you.
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So we can't really
Put these things of the flesh to death? As the bible clearly tells us? I guess I am just naive enough to believe that the bible is absolute in its truth? I'm kinda like a child I guess? But you can do it how ever seems right to you.
Put these things of the flesh to death? As the bible clearly tells us? I guess I am just naive enough to believe that the bible is absolute in its truth? I'm kinda like a child I guess? But you can do it how ever seems right to you.
Your loss - HE's said enough - you just don't like "Every Word that proceeds out of the Mouth Of GOD" - but, no biggie, right?
Have at it then but JesusIsAll has a very good point. I'll add it to the Titus 3:10 I posted yesterday.
So we can't really
Put these things of the flesh to death? As the bible clearly tells us? I guess I am just naive enough to believe that the bible is absolute in its truth? I'm kinda like a child I guess? But you can do it how ever seems right to you.
Put these things of the flesh to death? As the bible clearly tells us? I guess I am just naive enough to believe that the bible is absolute in its truth? I'm kinda like a child I guess? But you can do it how ever seems right to you.
"Put these things to death," you say. And please take note; you're not saying: "Let's just ignore the Law which says that lust must never be found in us." Instead, you're agreeing with the Law; insisting that the "lust" in us must be PUT TO DEATH.
Yes we can.
So, no you're not being childish for believing that we can put these things to death. Because we can. And what does the Law say? It says: Do just that. Go ahead and put these things to death. (Obviously the road will be full of pain & sufferings, but that's a whole other subject for a different conversation.)
And so; where is that fight between Faith and Law? Vanished!! Can't you see?
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Your picking and chosing.
If abraham was found by works, he would have something to boast about but not before God. If he was saved by work, it is a wage and not of grace.
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]2 [/SUP]For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
[h=3]David Celebrates the Same Truth[/h][SUP]5 [/SUP]But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, [SUP]6 [/SUP]just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
Abraham was found righteous before he did one work. and here you have david agreeing with abraham, so PAUL, DAVID and ABRAHAM are witnesses that we are not saved by works.
James did not say Abraham was saved by works, he said his faith was proven REAL by his works (Abraham was not a hearer but not a doer
Nice try, but you get no cigar today.
If abraham was found by works, he would have something to boast about but not before God. If he was saved by work, it is a wage and not of grace.
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]2 [/SUP]For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
[h=3]David Celebrates the Same Truth[/h][SUP]5 [/SUP]But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, [SUP]6 [/SUP]just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
Abraham was found righteous before he did one work. and here you have david agreeing with abraham, so PAUL, DAVID and ABRAHAM are witnesses that we are not saved by works.
James did not say Abraham was saved by works, he said his faith was proven REAL by his works (Abraham was not a hearer but not a doer
Nice try, but you get no cigar today.
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prety cool passage.
those who have faith in God WILL do what he commands
Those who have faith in God WILL overcome the world.
How do they overcome? "OUR TRUST" (FAITH)
is it not funny how myself, mitspa, dcon and others like us has been saying this all along.
Nothing in the passage says one can lose salvation, it teaches in fact the apposite.
those who have faith in God WILL do what he commands
Those who have faith in God WILL overcome the world.
How do they overcome? "OUR TRUST" (FAITH)
is it not funny how myself, mitspa, dcon and others like us has been saying this all along.
Nothing in the passage says one can lose salvation, it teaches in fact the apposite.
John 12:46-49King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 5:45-47King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?