Just coming on and just saying ....... since this debate began, even before you or I joined - that's ALL that the opposing viewpoint is saying - that it's only about obedience, plain and simple obedience to The Word and the Spirit as in Romans 8.... but whenever I myself or others have posted this and the hundreds of verses from the N.T. from Paul, et al on N.T. obedience or from any other of the Gospels, Epistles or Revelation on obedience -- the replies come back in Heated DEBATE - almost as fires.
Personally, I stepped back late last night and realized just how long this one topic has gone on and how very many threads have been posted on this one topic and it hit me as hard as the brightest-hottest day of summer, that we all are talking right past each other -- as before you came, regardless of how this obedience subject was posted, there was an raging anger in the replies and I suppose it hit me even stronger than a very bright and hot summer's day --- that this is no longer flesh and blood we're dealing with - but a Last's days spirit that is twisting words with false accusations flying and as harsh as I've ever seen on any forum in my 12 yrs on the internet lurking just about all of them out there.
I've never seen postings as I've seen here and this misrepresenting of other's posts, with such ugly replies in return to those that are only quoting New Testament Scripture.
This is definitely what Jesus was saying would happen in the Last Days and it's not 'flesh and blood' and not symbolic of the "The Church" that loves one another and gives it's life for one another - Not be a Long Shot - nor that cooperate body that represent The Body of Christ's behavior as He describes it through His Apostles.
Maybe you haven't been reading all of the past threads and witnessed how this topic has normally gone - but I've read probably 10 or more of these already from the past and not too long ago and they always go the same way.
I typed in 'obedience' into the N.T. search and posted all of those and they were twisted, misread and REJECTED.
I typed in 'commandments' from the N.T. only and posted all of those verses, and they too were REJECTED.
I typed in 'works' from the N.T. and posted all of those and that about caused more dissension as anything I've ever seen online, or between churches --- the closest thing to the heat that I've seen in any Church History books.
This reaction to posting New Testament Scriptures only - at time without even commenting within that post is a 'spiritual' one and not the Spirit of The Word of God made flesh but another spirit and if a person has even the slightest bit of discernment or discerning of spirits -- they'll feel it --- that this is not flesh and blood type reactions and the twisting of each person's view whenever they so much as mention any N.T. verse on any of those three words is almost surreal or better stated -- something of a another spirit working to have whatever the person posted with those NT verses in it a reaction of twisting of "wresting" those Scriptures, as some versions say -- a wresting of whatever the person posted to mean something other than what they with those verses were trying to convey ... even if they are in full agreement that we are saved by Grace through Faith but then go on to those particular 3 words or explain that "faith" is a present active participle [continuously action] - BANG, the gun goes off and we're off to the spewing forth of hateful responses.
My post to you was/is my last to this topic because I know HE showed me something through the veil last night and this is a whole other territory we've entered in and I do believe that this is a last days phenomena - and even whole chpts of His Word were coming to my mind, faster than I could have thought of them, confirming this and proving to me from Him, all that I've just typed out here.
This goes beyond anything I've ever witnessed anywhere in all my years in the Church, in many many churches or all these yrs on the internet. There's a spirit of hatred going on with just this one topic that I've witnessed here that is almost as strong as when Calvin and his latter followers were running things and burning/killing whomever they deemed were heretics and defending that practice besides doing it for centuries if not longer afterwards.
I believe that will happen again in these last days. There's every indication in Scripture that it won't just be New Agers and the such that will have us put to death - but those that are already hyped on hatred and twisting or actually lying against those that post or speak just Scripture alone on any of those 3 'words' and joining in, if not starting, the persecution -- just as Calvin was very much a part of the government of his day and used the government and church to carry out his "pyres".
This is 'spiritual' and not flesh and blood alone and I pray for protection over those Brothers that are being attacked by those that feel that they're doing "God a service" by tearing at these Saints, falsely accusing, treacherously-verbally abusing the Brothers on here that are merely posting New Testament verses on those three precious New Testament words that our Lord and Savior spoke first and then through His apostles and why the Pharisees hated them all - because none could grasp the fullness of Romans 8 and that's what we're seeing now ... flesh against Spirit - as it was from the beginning, is now, but will end after He Returns, after His millennial Reign.
Amen.
Guard your hearts and don't fall into this category, spirit or this type of hatred ....
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
We who are in Christ cannot ever be judged by the law of Moses ...we are under the law of Christ ... Good example 