Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[JesusIsAll]

I tell you what, my jaw dropped when I saw the first quote you put up there, “When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so.”

I was like, Really? Does this not seem like a blatantly blasphemous statement to anyone else? I posted it in the discussion yesterday and no one even committed on it. I find that much more troubling than any of the big bang/evolution statements.

"But that is not so", I say that is very so, my God can do anything although He doesn't need a wand He just speaks it into existence.

Really, it's such a logical absurdity: the Creator of the universe needs to work within constraints? Did not even God in the flesh demonstrate the ability to change water to wine, make a lifetime cripple walk, raise the dead? It's wholly a Spirit-less denial of God's power and His office, such things always reminding me of this verse,

2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

It's also incredible how these corrupt men don't even seem to realize how deeper a hole they dig, in the eyes of the truly believing Christian. If anybody stated this garbage to me, I'd tell them to peddle whatever their religion is somewhere else.

 

[kepha]

Really, it's such a logical absurdity: the Creator of the universe needs to work within constraints? Did not even God in the flesh demonstrate the ability to change water to wine, make a lifetime cripple walk, raise the dead? It's wholly a Spirit-less denial of God's power and His office, such things always reminding me of this verse,

2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

It's also incredible how these corrupt men don't even seem to realize how deeper a hole they dig, in the eyes of the truly believing Christian. If anybody stated this garbage to me, I'd tell them to peddle whatever their religion is somewhere else.

Show me where the Pope takes God out of the creation/evolution discussion. I see you have. Your remarks on a knee-jerk reaction to a out-of-context snippet makes no sense. If anyone has dug a deep hole, it's the literalist/magical creationists, that maybe you should peddle somewhere else.

 

[notuptome]

Show me where the Pope takes God out of the creation/evolution discussion. I see you have. Your remarks on a knee-jerk reaction to a out-of-context snippet makes no sense. If anyone has dug a deep hole, it's the literalist/magical creationists, that maybe you should peddle somewhere else.

I would expect those who are of a carnal mind to view creation from a carnal perspective. Are you saying that God cannot speak all things into existence? Are you saying that God cannot create everything out of nothing?

Even the big bangers must have something to start with. God started with nothing and made everything by His will and for His glory. God said let there be and there was.

You can believe and follow the pope I'm going to believe and follow Jesus. The Holy Spirit the true Vicar of Christ testifies to a literal creation wholly apart from evolution and the big bang.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[kepha]

I would expect those who are of a carnal mind to view creation from a carnal perspective. Are you saying that God cannot speak all things into existence? Are you saying that God cannot create everything out of nothing?
Even the big bangers must have something to start with. God started with nothing and made everything by His will and for His glory. God said let there be and there was.

There are numerous posts in here that say precisely the same. You typically ignore them.

You can believe and follow the pope I'm going to believe and follow Jesus.

The Pope says to believe and follow Jesus. Your statement is redundant.

The Holy Spirit the true Vicar of Christ testifies to a literal creation wholly apart from evolution and the big bang

. Vicar means servant, for the 10th time. The Holy Spirit is not the servant of Christ and such a concept is totally unbiblical. Maybe you are confusing atheistic evolution/big bang which has always been unacceptable. Funny how you insist on a strict literal interpretation of Genesis but flip flop on John 6.

 

[kepha]

The "Pope Francis supports evolution" story is just the latest example of the press getting the Catholic Church completely wrong.

It is official: the media has gone bananas in its coverage of Pope Francis.

The OMG-Pope-Francis-Supports-Evolution story of the past two days is just the latest example. Almost every news outlet, major and minor, has plastered Pope Francis’ name across the interwebs and proclaimed he has finally planted the Catholic Church in the evolution camp of the creation-evolution debate. The only problem? Almost every outlet has got the story wrong, proving once again that the mainstream media has nearly no understanding of the Church. And that madness shows no signs of stopping.
TIME magazine

"madness" aptly describes some of the comments in here. Evidently, anti-Catholics get their information from the media, which is at war with the Catholic Church, and misquotes the Pope on a regular basis.

Pope Francis on Monday waded into the controversial debate over the origins of human life, saying the big bang theory did not contradict the role of a divine creator, but even required it.
http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/pope-francis-evolution-not-inconsistent-notion-creation

The Pope is not denying creationism, and he is not denying Adam and Eve. To say he is is just another example of anti-Catholic lunacy. There is nothing in Church teaching that is against Genesis, my theory is that some Protestants reject a Jewish perspective. After all, they wrote it.

 

[notuptome]

Vicar means servant, for the 10th time. The Holy Spirit is not the servant of Christ and such a concept is totally unbiblical. Maybe you are confusing atheistic evolution/big bang which has always been unacceptable. Funny how you insist on a strict literal interpretation of Genesis but flip flop on John 6.

Vicar means one in place of as in vicarious atonement. Why are you so deceptive?

Your interpretation of John 6 contradicts other scripture so it cannot be correct. Scripture cannot contradict itself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ThomistColin]

Vicar means one in place of as in vicarious atonement. Why are you so deceptive?

Your interpretation of John 6 contradicts other scripture so it cannot be correct. Scripture cannot contradict itself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

"He who eats and drinks without discerning the body and blood of our Lord eats and drinks condemnation upon himself." That's Scripture.

Also, Vicar meaning "in the place of" is not the same as "in replacement of". There is a reason why the herald or Prime Minister of a King is called the Viceroy or Vicar. Because they serve the King, giving his proclamations. Viceroy and Vicar are of the same Latin root. Viceroy means to serve, "in the place of the King." However, nowhere in culture nor the definition of the word mean equality to the King, but to stand in service for the King. So too is the successor of St. Peter. They are in service to the King.

 

[Lifetrack]

We never win a brother or sister by judge him or her. discussing our convictions is ok, lets keep it there.

Jesus did not go to the good people, they are allready saved, He seeks the others with love.

 

[notuptome]

"He who eats and drinks without discerning the body and blood of our Lord eats and drinks condemnation upon himself." That's Scripture.

Its nice that you know scripture now do you know what discerning the Lords body means?

Also, Vicar meaning "in the place of" is not the same as "in replacement of". There is a reason why the herald or Prime Minister of a King is called the Viceroy or Vicar. Because they serve the King, giving his proclamations. Viceroy and Vicar are of the same Latin root. Viceroy means to serve, "in the place of the King." However, nowhere in culture nor the definition of the word mean equality to the King, but to stand in service for the King. So too is the successor of St. Peter. They are in service to the King.

This is of course based on a ridiculous tradition from Rome. To claim that Peter had a successor is not biblical but a man made tradition. The head of the church is Christ. The active Agent of Christ on the earth is the Holy Spirit. That is scriptural.

Jesus died in our place. Jesus bore upon Himself the punishment for our sins. That is vicarious atonement. The Vicar of Christ is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit stands in the place of Christ here on the earth. There is no man standing in the place of Christ with authority here on the earth. The keys of the kingdom are the word of God not papal authority.

I look forward to you explanation of what discernment of the body of Christ is in your vernacular.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

We never win a brother or sister by judge him or her. discussing our convictions is ok, lets keep it there.

Jesus did not go to the good people, they are allready saved, He seeks the others with love.

Who is good? Are religious people good?

What greater love can be found than love for the souls of those who are lost in their sins and on the way to eternal condemnation?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[JesusIsAll]

The Vatican II Church's Communion With Islam​

Paul VI, Second Vatican Council, "Lumen Gentium" (#16), 1964: "But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind."

John Paul II, Catechism of the Catholic Church (#841): "... Muslims; they profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

John Paul II, General Audience, May 5, 1999: "Today I would like to repeat what I said to young Muslims some years ago in Casablanca: 'We believe in the same God ...'" (from L'Osservator Romano, May 12, 1999, p. 11)

Benedict XVI, Pilgrim Fellowship of Faith, 2002, p. 273: "... Islam, too, ... has inherited from Israel and the Christians the same God ..."

This is incredible heresy and apostasy. The Muslims categorically deny that Jesus Christ is God and, therefore, deny the Most Blessed Trinity as well. They most certainly do not worship the One True God. Yet somehow Vatican II, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI all state that the false god of the Muslims is the true God and will judge mankind on the last day. No, Jesus Christ, whom the Muslims admittedly do not worship as God, is mankind's judge on the last day.

The false god of the Muslims will not judge Catholics on the last day. If Catholics were to be judged by the false god of the Muslims, then this would mean Catholics are wrong in believing that Jesus Christ is mankind's judge. It would mean that Catholics don't worship the true God. This is as bad as heresy gets. It is apostasy! This teaching alone proves that Vatican II is a false, heretical, and apostate council, just like the false and heretical Council of Pisa in 1490 before it, and that John Paul II and Benedict XVI are the latest of some over 40 false claimants to the papacy in Catholic history.

 

[notuptome]

The Vatican II Church's Communion With Islam​

Paul VI, Second Vatican Council, "Lumen Gentium" (#16), 1964: "But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind."

John Paul II, Catechism of the Catholic Church (#841): "... Muslims; they profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

John Paul II, General Audience, May 5, 1999: "Today I would like to repeat what I said to young Muslims some years ago in Casablanca: 'We believe in the same God ...'" (from L'Osservator Romano, May 12, 1999, p. 11)

Benedict XVI, Pilgrim Fellowship of Faith, 2002, p. 273: "... Islam, too, ... has inherited from Israel and the Christians the same God ..."

This is incredible heresy and apostasy. The Muslims categorically deny that Jesus Christ is God and, therefore, deny the Most Blessed Trinity as well. They most certainly do not worship the One True God. Yet somehow Vatican II, John Paul II, and Benedict XVI all state that the false god of the Muslims is the true God and will judge mankind on the last day. No, Jesus Christ, whom the Muslims admittedly do not worship as God, is mankind's judge on the last day.

The false god of the Muslims will not judge Catholics on the last day. If Catholics were to be judged by the false god of the Muslims, then this would mean Catholics are wrong in believing that Jesus Christ is mankind's judge. It would mean that Catholics don't worship the true God. This is as bad as heresy gets. It is apostasy! This teaching alone proves that Vatican II is a false, heretical, and apostate council, just like the false and heretical Council of Pisa in 1490 before it, and that John Paul II and Benedict XVI are the latest of some over 40 false claimants to the papacy in Catholic history.

I had my brother-in-law tell me the Muslim was his brother based on this very edict from Rome. He was stunned when I confronted him with the fact that the Muslim does not believe Jesus Christ is God.

I guess that catholics are just that gullible to believe without questioning anything that comes from Rome.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Lifetrack]

Who is good? Are religious people good?

What greater love can be found than love for the souls of those who are lost in their sins and on the way to eternal condemnation?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Nobody is 'good', i used the wrong word, those who are allready accepted by God is what i mean.

to reach the others we will need to do it with all the love and forgiveness God gave us.

 

[notuptome]

Nobody is 'good', i used the wrong word, those who are allready accepted by God is what i mean.

to reach the others we will need to do it with all the love and forgiveness God gave us.

Sounds quite wishey washey to me. How do you propose to accomplish the desired objective?

How do we witness for Christ?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Lifetrack]

Sounds quite wishey washey to me. How do you propose to accomplish the desired objective?

How do we witness for Christ?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

By listening, obeying and living His word. We fall, stand up and go again. don't you believe we can ?

 

[notuptome]

By listening, obeying and living His word. We fall, stand up and go again. don't you believe we can ?

Sounds like religious platitudes. How does that translate into real life?

Do you believe that the gospel is exclusive?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Lifetrack]

I believe religion is not the same as gospel, there are so many religions but only one gospel, and yes it's exclusive.

 

[notuptome]

I believe religion is not the same as gospel, there are so many religions but only one gospel, and yes it's exclusive.

An interesting contradiction. Universal call to be saved yet only a few respond and receive eternal life.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[tourist]

I guess that catholics are just that gullible to believe without questioning anything that comes from Rome.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Most Catholics that I know aren't that gullible, myself included.

 

[notuptome]

Most Catholics that I know aren't that gullible, myself included.

I could agree that most ignore what comes out of Rome but that does not mean they don't believe it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger