Quaran

kaylagrl · Nov 2, 2014

I find this so simple.Take out your Bible and then the Quaran.Lay them side by side and read a chapter from each.Notice how the Bible flows and makes sense.Then notice how jumbled the Quaran is and how it doesn't even make literary sense and the grammar is pitiful.Notice how it sounds like a child wrote it and how difficult a read it is.It has no comparison to the Bible.Then add in the fact of the historicity of the Bible that has never been proven false and the archaeology that has been done.I dont know how anyone could get tripped up in the Quaran.It has no comparison to the Word of God.So dont let anyone fool you.

Brainfreeze · Nov 2, 2014

. 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Undertaker · Nov 2, 2014

ChristIsGod said:

Here it is; Muhammad is shown in arabic

kaylagrl said:

Today the Qur’an resides in the minds of millions of Muslims who have memorised it in its entirety. We have an oral tradition of mass memorisation spanning nearly 1,500 years that has seen the Qur’an being passed down from teacher to student in an unbroken chain going all the way back to Prophet Muhammad himself, peace be upon him. This literally makes it impossible for the Qur’an to become corrupted. You can read more about the perfect preservation of the Qur’an here.
By contrast the Bible has no such tradition of mass memorisation. The fact is that the Bible is not a practical Scripture for memorisation, for it lacks the rhythm and poetic style of the Qur’an as a whole and is much longer by comparison, thus making the task of its memorisation difficult. If God wanted us to memorise the Bible, wouldn’t He have made it easy for us to do so?
The evidence that the Bible was never memorised en masse is the fact that at various points in history the Torah has been lost. With mass memorisation this would be impossible, but when preservation is reliant on the written word this is a very real possibility.

[video=youtube;Cti-pXVREsk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cti-pXVREsk[/video]

Bowman · Nov 2, 2014

kaylagrl said:

The key to understanding the Koran is to know from which part of the Holy Bible it copies itself from.

We must remember that the Koran was set to rhyme in Arabic so that it could be remembered before it was written down...this is why it does not seem to make sense in numerous parts, as the original Biblical material is now out of order and paraphrased.

The Holy Bible is ALWAYS required to correct & clarify the Koran in all manner of things, obviously...

kaylagrl · Nov 2, 2014

Undertaker said:

Well my friend all I can say is you trust your memory more than I trust mine! I can go to the grocery store and forgot what I went for! I do know the Jewish tradition was to memorize and pass down to each generation the Bible stories the same as you claim Muslims do.I also know many people who have committed whole chapters of the Bible to memory and as a child we memorized verses.So I dont think the Bible is hard to memorize in the least.I dont believe the Quaran or the Muslim faith so it would do no good to argue because you will not change your mind nor will I change mine.I only hope you will one day see the truth.God bless.

ps I wont watch a video that says Gods Word is not true.Sorry.

dcontroversal · Nov 2, 2014

Jruiz said:

A PROPHET LIKE MOSES

The Prophet Like Moses
Deuteronomy 18:18-19
“I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren like unto thee, and will put my words into his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I command him. And it shall come to pass that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
Three things noticed about this scripture:

[*]The words and phrases used by Moses must refer unto a particular prophet and not prophets in general.
[*]This prophet is to have special authority above and beyond Moses because if anyone refuses to hearken it shall be required of him.
[*]This prophet was to be like Moses in ways that would distinguish him from all other prophets who were to come.

I submit unto you that this is speaking of none other than Jesus Christ himself and through careful study we can clearly see 27 points which shows a clear parallelism and resemblance between Moses and Jesus. Notice the following scriptures and comparisons.

They were both born when Israel was under foreign rule, Exodus1:8-14, Luke 2:1-7
A wicked ruler made a decree that they were to be killed, Exodus 1:15-16, Matthew 2:16
The faith of their parents preserved their lives, Exodus 2:2, Hebrews 11:23, Matthew 2:13-14
Both found protection in Egypt for a time, Exodus 2:10, Matthew 2:14-15
They both had unusual wisdom and understanding, Acts 7:22, Luke 2:46-47
They were extremely meek, Numbers 12:3, Matthew 11:29
They were completely faithful unto God, Numbers 12:7, Hebrews 3:1-6
They both were rejected for a time by Israel, Exodus 2:14, Exodus 32:1, Matthew 27:21-22
Both were criticized by their own brothers and sisters, Numbers 12:1, Matthew 13:54-57
Both were received by Gentiles when rejected by Israel, Exodus 2:15, 21, Acts 13:44-48
Both prayed for forgiveness for their people, Exodus 32:31, 32, Luke 23:24
Both were willing to bear the punishment of God’s people Exodus 32:31,32, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Peter 3:18
Both fasted 40 days, Exodus 34:28, Matthew 4;2
Both spoke face to face with God, Numbers 12:7-8, Deuteronomy 34:10, John 1:18
Both went up unto a mountain with close friends to have communion with God, Exodus 24:9-10, Matthew 17:1,5
Both had their face shine with God’s glory, Exodus 34:35, Matthew 17:2
God spoke audibly from heaven unto both of them, Exodus 19:19-20, John 12:23:28
Both had their place of burial guarded by angels, Jude 9, Matthew 28:2-6
Both appeared alive after their death, Matthew 17:3, Luke 20:19-20
Both were prophet-teachers, Deuteronomy 4:1, Matthew 5:1-2, John 3:1-2
Both were shepherds of god’s people, Psalm 77:20, Isaiah 63:11, John 10:11, 27
Both revealed the name of God unto the people, Exodus 3:13-14, John 17:6, 11, 12
God fed his people supernaturally through both Moses and Jesus, Exodus 16:14-15, Matthew 14:19-21, John 6:51
Both brought deliverance to God’s people, Exodus 3;7, 8, 10, Luke 4:17-21
Both brought healing unto God’s people, Exodus 15;25-26, Matthew 4:23, 8:16-17, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Peter 2:24
Both worked miracles which had never been seen, Deuteronomy 34:10-12, John 5:36, 15:24, Luke 24:19, Acts 2:22
Both established a covenant between God and the people, Exodus 24:7-8, Matthew 26:26-28, Hebrews 9:11-15

Bowman · Nov 2, 2014

Undertaker said:

Today the Qur’an resides in the minds of millions of Muslims who have memorised it in its entirety. We have an oral tradition of mass memorisation spanning nearly 1,500 years that has seen the Qur’an being passed down from teacher to student in an unbroken chain going all the way back to Prophet Muhammad himself, peace be upon him. This literally makes it impossible for the Qur’an to become corrupted. You can read more about the perfect preservation of the Qur’an here.
By contrast the Bible has no such tradition of mass memorisation. The fact is that the Bible is not a practical Scripture for memorisation, for it lacks the rhythm and poetic style of the Qur’an as a whole and is much longer by comparison, thus making the task of its memorisation difficult. If God wanted us to memorise the Bible, wouldn’t He have made it easy for us to do so?
The evidence that the Bible was never memorised en masse is the fact that at various points in history the Torah has been lost. With mass memorisation this would be impossible, but when preservation is reliant on the written word this is a very real possibility.

That makes no sense at all...

Since when does memorization of ANYTHING equate to comprehension or correctness...?

A parrot can do that.

The fact that the Koran was written -down in the first place tells us that it was gettting corrupted at a furious pace, otherwise why do it?

crossnote · Nov 2, 2014

crossnote said:

Acts 7:37 This is the Moses who said to the Israelites, ‘God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your brothers.’

Why would Stephen be referring to Mohammed who wouldn't come on the scene for another 600 years? It wouldn't make sense in the context, the setting and to the immediate audience.

ChristIsGod · Nov 2, 2014

Undertaker said:

Undertaker, your reply to my post to you doesn't make an ounce of sense. The video by your Geologist mentor that I replied to was using a Song of Solomon verse and pulling one word from it that I asked you to put into google or whatever Search engine you use. " מחמד " is the word that your video guy used in Hebrew.
We don't quote a word from a verse from the Song of Solomon or the Old Testament in "Arabic" unless it's an accurate translation for the Arabic speaking people, because the Old Testament was Not written in Arabic but originally in Hebrew.
Of course "Muhammad" is going to be found in 'Arabic' by those that translate as their biased beliefs leads them.

There was another thread on this topic of Islam recently and there was a debate whether the word "IF" was in there regarding whether God had a son or not.
Well, some versions of the Quran do not and those that I also saw Do have that word "IF" in that verse BUT - even if they ever did come to realize that God did in fact Have a Son - they would Never believe that His Son was Equal to GOD - which is the foundational belief of Christianity.
So that's why the Quran will never be or should never be compared to The Word of GOD - nor will there be anything of redeeming value in it. It by no means was Divinely Inspired - though it may quote from our Bible - and who didn't or couldn't since the canon was established. It doesn't make 'any' writing Divinely Inspired just because it may quote from what is called 'Scripture'. Even non-theists quote Scripture. It means nothing to quote Scripture - it's the conclusion that the individual person comes to after reading ALL of Scripture or hearing the New Testament account & purpose of The Savior of the world and what they 'do with' what they hear or read that determines whether they've 'received the truth' and forgiveness. Muhammadism is not the Source of Salvation neither does it/he point to 'The Source'. Amen!

ChristIsGod · Nov 2, 2014

The Word of GOD vs the Quran - Co-Equality & Purpose of "GOD" -

John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Undertaker · Nov 2, 2014

ChristIsGod said:

The word מחמד which I googled (underlined red) has lead to محمد (underlined red ). The word מחמד is from song of Solomon. Period.
You Have No Right to Translate Individuals’ Names!

Bowman · Nov 2, 2014

Undertaker said:

You DONT define scriptural terms with a google translator, people...come on!

Reference ANY Hebrew or Arabic lexicon and it will plainly show no root link or derivative between the two words.

Just because two words from different languages sound similar does NOT imply that they related.

Bowman · Nov 2, 2014

The Koran...what it claims to be...

Let's review the premise...

القرءان = “alqur-ana”

“alqur-ana” definition:

Proper noun. Originally meaning the Collection; “I collected together the thing” or “I read, or recited, the book or scripture”; and then conventionally applied to signify the Book of God that was revealed to Muhammad; it also signifies the Revelation, meaning that which is termed the mighty, or imitable which is read, or recited, and written in books or volumes.A name for the Book of God, like the book of the Law revealed to Moses and the Gospel.

قرءان is so called because it has collected the histories of the prophets, and commands and prohibitions, and promises and threats, and the verses or signs, and the chapters.

It comes from the root “qara’a”, which has the primary signification he collected together the thing; put it, or drew it, together; part to part, or portion to portion. He read, or recited, the scripture chanting; he read or recited anything in any manner, without, or from, or in a book.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume seven, pp. 2502 - 2504
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 448 - 449

The classic Arabic definition is really quite revealing.

We have the following proclaimed regarding the original meaning applied to the Koran:

• It’s a collection
• A collection of books or scriptures

Whether this collection is read or recited, it still suggests that it emanates from a collected repository of things already written down.

It was only later that the meaning changed to signify the Book of God that was revealed to “Muhammad”…and we already understand that the “Muhammad” spoken of in the Koran is actually the Biblical Jesus Christ.

Thus, the Koran is Jesus’ book!

This would account for the scores of suras that are titled after Him, and revolve around Him.

“Alqur-ana” also means Revelation – which is most appropriate, as >75% of the Koran is directly copied from the Book of Revelation.

The root “qara’a” takes us one step deeper with the primary definition “he collected together the thing; put it, or drew it, together; part to part, or portion to portion."

This gives us great insight as to why the Koran was written in the fashion that it was – as the authors who pieced it together and performed the translation, actually did so piecemeal. These pieces, taken in large part from the Book of Revelation, are actually the paraphrased Arabic counterparts to the Holy Bible, known as suras.

Hope this helps in your quest…

crossnote · Nov 2, 2014

I don't understand. If a document is a lie to begin with, so what if it has been memorized and has been passed down intact for 1500 years, it is still a lie.

ChristIsGod · Nov 2, 2014

Undertaker said:

The word that you posted the link to, translated that word from Song of Solomon 5:16 as "Muhammad".

It only took a second to look in my Hebrew O.T. for that verse and word and I'll give you the proper definition -- which is "not a name" and definitely not Muhammad .... it's ...

H4261
מחמד
machmâd
makh-mawd'
From H2530; delightful; hence a delight, that is, object of affection or desire: - beloved, desire, goodly, lovely, pleasant (thing).

Used also in these ways and places ...

H4261
מחמד
machmâd
Total KJV Occurrences: 11

pleasant, 5
1Ki_20:6, Isa_64:11, Lam_1:10, Hos_9:6, Joe_3:5
desire, 3
Eze_24:16, Eze_24:21, Eze_24:25
beloved, 1
Hos_9:16
goodly, 1
2Ch_36:19
lovely, 1
Son_5:16

So your link is full of beans. Sorry - sincerely.

Bowman · Nov 2, 2014

crossnote said:

Its part of their islamic training....intended to disarm the ignorant...

Nick01 · Nov 2, 2014

Undertaker said:

If Song of Songs REALLY is talking about Muhammed, it's basically just saying he's really attractive. If you're ok with that, cool.

But even then, there's a problem - it ignores all the other places where the same cognate appears in the Hebrew scriptures. take Ezekiel 24:16, for example. Do you want to ascribe that to Mohammed as well? Should we similarly translate every time the word 'beloved' occurs in the Bible as the proper noun 'David'? Should every New Testament reference to victory be a personal reference to me by name? Why one and not the others?

iamsoandso · Nov 2, 2014

So based on the statement in the O.P. "...poor job of explaining the trinity...",,,should we immediately jump to the jump to the Quaran or back to (Genesis 1;26) and look at the actual creation that "the God"(in his opinion),,,actually created after he said "let US(plural),make "Man"(singular),in "OUR"(plural) own "Image"(singular),after "Our"(plural),"Likeness"(singular),,,,,,How many images,likenesses,(pictures of)ect. did God create after he said that?,,,did the thing he(God) created,after he said this have ten toes,two legs,hips,abdomen,two arms ten fingers head,hair,a spirit inside when he closed his eyes,,ect.ect.?,,,,,"what did he(God=us=our),create after he made this statement"???,,,if you look at Adam you will see it,,,

Tintin · Nov 2, 2014

crossnote said:

Booyah! Amen, brother.

iamsoandso · Nov 2, 2014

there is a beast,the image of a man,with ten toes,and two legs,an abdomen,two arms,and a head,,,,,,,,,,and there is a man,created in the image of God,by God,with ten toes,two legs,an abdomen,two arms,a head,,,,,,one is and the other is an image of the image of God,,,past that the boy scouts hand book Tell's us to help old ladies across the road,and is in the same pile with the Quaran,,,neither are the bible,

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