John Teaches Eternal Security; Demonic To Deny It

[Atwood]

John 3
even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believes may in him have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. He who believes on him is not judged: he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed on the name of the only Son of God. . . .

He who believes on the Son has eternal life;

John 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say to you, He who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6
Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life: he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes on me shall never thirst. But I said to you, that you have seen me, and yet believe not. All that which the Father gives me shall come to me; and him who comes to me I will in no wise cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that of all that which he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who who beholds the Son and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Verily, verily, I say to you, He who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever.

John 10
But you do not believe because you are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and
I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, . . . .

 

[JesusChica1991]

That verse means nothing about eternal security. Even the demons believe he exists and they are clearly not in Heaven.

 

[RickyZ]

Really, oh no, not again

 

[Atwood]

That verse means nothing about eternal security. Even the demons believe he exists and they are clearly not in Heaven.

Chica, Eternal Security is reiterated time & time again; just read God's word & believe it.
This has nothing to do with demons believing facts -- nor humans believing fact. This is trusting the Savior. Believing in the Son of God is not believing that He exists; it is depending on Him. (pisteuō).

Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Answer: Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved.

This simple offer of salvation for believing in is reiterated over & over, and is not believing some facts to be so.

When I was 9 years old, I decided I wan't to join the church. So I walked down the aisle at invitation time. The preacher asked: "Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God?" I truthfully answered, "Yes." I was then dunked in a river and put on the church role. This is a description of how to never get saved.

If I were asked where I would go when I died, I did not know. That shows I was not trusting Christ to get me to Heaven.

 

[ThomistColin]

John also mentions that there is a form of sin that we are to avoid, for that sin is grave and deadly.

 

[Atwood]

John 11:

"Jesus said to her,
I am the resurrection and the life:
he who believes on me, though he die,
yet he shall live;
and whosoever lives and believes on me shall never die.
Do you believe this? "

John 13

Peter says to him, You shall never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash you not, you have no part with me. Simon Peter says to him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus says to him, He who bathed needs not save to wash his feet,
but is clean every whit:

John 17


glorify thy Son, that the Son may glorify you even as you gave him authority over all flesh, that
to all whom you hast given him, he should give eternal life.

John 10:

I give them eternal life, & they shall never perish

 

[SeaBass]

Jn 3:15 "That whosoever believeth (present tense) in him should not perish (subjunctive mood), but have (subjunctive mood) eternal life."

Present tense shows an ongoing, sustained action, not something done once for a moment or sporadically.

The subjunctive mood is the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances - Strong's

So if one has an ongoing, sustained belief he should not perish but have everlasting life. Not perishing but having eternal life is dependent upon the circumstance if one has an ongoing, sustained belief or not. If one quits believing he will perish/not have eternal life.

Jn 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth (present tense) in him should not perish (subjunctive mood), but have everlasting life."

Again, perishing or not perishing depends if one maintains a present tense belief.



Jn 10:27,28 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

Those sheep that are faithful to God in their hearing and following, God in turn is faithful to them by not allowing them to be snatched out of His hand. Those that become unfaithful in their hearing and following remove themselves from God's hand.

Jn 11:35 "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth (present tense) in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"

One quite having a present tense belief will not live.

 

[Blain]

Isn't demonic going a bit to far? Demonic refers to something unholy vile and not just something of the devil but of service to the devil. to call a Christian doctrine demonic is incorrect.

 

[john832]

Really, oh no, not again

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Atwood]

THOU SHALT CALL HIS NAME JESUS, FOR
HE SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS.

Demonic to deny that.

Isn't demonic going a bit to far? Demonic refers to something unholy vile and not just something of the devil but of service to the devil. to call a Christian doctrine demonic is incorrect.

Denying that the Savior is a Savior is a doctrine of demons. Reducing Him and the value of His blood to "chance giver" is demonic. Denying Eternal Security is not Christian, but unchristian doctrine.

Galatians 1 pronounces the anathema on false gospel.

 

[Atwood]

More from Prophet John:


Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and
I will never blot his name out of the book of life.
I will confess his name before my Father…


1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God
overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believes
that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Rev promises that the overcomer's name sill never be blotted out.
1 John tells us that the overcomer is the believer.

Conclusion:
He Who believes has the eternal security of never having his name blotted out of the book of life.

Sing it:

What have I to dread,
What have I to fear,
Leaning on the everlasting arms --

Safe & Secure from all the unbelievers on this forum who want to condemn,
as opposed to Romans 8: Who is he who condemns?

Now go on, denying the Savior to your grave, deeming Him a mere chance-giver;
but as for those of us who trust Him with our destiny,
He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[Atwood]

Jn 3:15 "That whosoever believeth (present tense) in him should not perish (subjunctive mood), but have (subjunctive mood) eternal life."

Present tense shows an ongoing, sustained action, not something done once for a moment or sporadically.

And indeed, trusting Christ as Savior is a sustained action -- we do not perish, but have everlasting life! He is the one who saves His people from their sins. The one who currently saves gets eternal life (subjunctive as depending on the believing, which is a faith that never stops). There is the famous erroneous so, by Seebass. There is nothing about quitting believing, neither do you have any verse to prove that a man who once trusts the Lord Jesus as Savior ever stops.

Why miss out on salvation, trusting in water as your savior, making it an idol, counting out the Savior as a mere chance giver?

Again, perishing or not perishing depends if one maintains a present tense belief.

The word "maintain" does not occur. The once currently believing, has everlasting life (not temporary until X happens.),but in fact the Savior maintains His saved according to His promise, He saves them from their sins.

Jn 10:27,28 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish."

The promise is absolute. The additional illustration about being in Christ's hand does not negative in any was that promise. The sheep get a gift of eternal life, and a promise of never perishing. It is not conditional upon following Christ. There are 3 characteristics of sheep mentioned, with no language of contingency or one depending on the other: They know Chirst, they follow Christ, He gives them eternal life.

Jn 11:35 "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth (present tense) in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"

One quite having a present tense belief will not live.

There is nothing about "quite having." The promise is that if one presently believes, one in the future will live. There is nothing about "not live" in the passage. You make things up.

 

[crossnote]

Jn 3:15 "That whosoever believeth (present tense) in him should not perish (subjunctive mood), but have (subjunctive mood) eternal life."

Present tense shows an ongoing, sustained action, not something done once for a moment or sporadically.

The subjunctive mood is the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances - Strong's

So if one has an ongoing, sustained belief he should not perish but have everlasting life. Not perishing but having eternal life is dependent upon the circumstance if one has an ongoing, sustained belief or not. If one quits believing he will perish/not have eternal life.

Jn 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth (present tense) in him should not perish (subjunctive mood), but have everlasting life."

Again, perishing or not perishing depends if one maintains a present tense belief.



Jn 10:27,28 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

Those sheep that are faithful to God in their hearing and following, God in turn is faithful to them by not allowing them to be snatched out of His hand. Those that become unfaithful in their hearing and following remove themselves from God's hand.

Jn 11:35 "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth (present tense) in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"

One quite having a present tense belief will not live.

Well if you were consistent you would have to say "If a person continually believes, he may/possibly(subjunctive) have eternal life. "

 

[Atwood]

While the scoffers scoff, & the Hairy Ticks bristle,
let us not forget the plain truth of scripture:


Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and
I will never blot his name out of the book of life.
I will confess his name before my Father…


1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God
overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world,even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believes
that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

 

[john832]

While the scoffers scoff, & the Hairy Ticks bristle,
let us not forget the plain truth of scripture:


Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and
I will never blot his name out of the book of life.
I will confess his name before my Father…


1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God
overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world,even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believes
that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

And you can't see that these are conditional (if/then) statements?

 

[Blain]

THOU SHALT CALL HIS NAME JESUS, FOR
HE SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS.

Demonic to deny that.



Denying that the Savior is a Savior is a doctrine of demons. Reducing Him and the value of His blood to "chance giver" is demonic. Denying Eternal Security is not Christian, but unchristian doctrine.

Galatians 1 pronounces the anathema on false gospel.

If you are reffering to the osas doctrine issue I disagree with that one because I have seen many Christians fall from faith. But I don't think any Christian denies Jesus is not our savior but be careful what you go around saying demonic because the definition of demonic does not fit into doctrine disagreement.

 

[posthuman]

which part of "eternal" isn't "eternal" ??

 

[notuptome]

John also mentions that there is a form of sin that we are to avoid, for that sin is grave and deadly.

Which sin is not grave and deadly?

The wages of sin is death.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[JesusIsAll]

Whatever the case, when an OP starts throwing around words like "demonic" or "Satanic" as applies to some scripturally arguable, varying takes on doctrine, such a person isn't worth discoursing with, until they get off that very high, judgmental horse that presumes God-like prescience, who doesn't seem to find such slander unbecoming anybody claiming Christ.

Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

 

[RickyZ]

So a Christian who doesn't believe OSAS isn't saved because of his demonic blaspheme?