To assume that the universe came into existence by an impersonal, natural cause and without a personal creator seems to me to be a huge, biased, non-neutral assumption that is contrary to how everything else has come into existence. As stated previously, books, buildings, pieces of paper, tennis balls and more all have creators.
You're nitpicking things that have been created by people. You're ignoring all the stuff out there that isn't man made. Of course books, buildings, paper, tennis balls, dominoes, etc., were created by people. But stars, stalactites, sand, lava, mountains, etc. were not created by people or even other living animals. So why are you intentionally nitpicking? Also, why do you only apply certain properties from the samples you provide? You mention that these manmade objects were created, therefore everything must have been created. Why so vague? All the things you mentioned were created by human beings, does this mean human beings created the universe?
You're nitpicking and applying principles of some objects to all objects. I can name numerous songs in which the musicians were inspired by jazz, does that mean all musicians were inspired by jazz? No.
A cause itself requires a causative force or initiating primary cause or Causator
This is true for everything we've observed so far. We don't know how the universe began so we really don't know and therefore we can't say for sure.
But, what (or who) would cause the impersonal primary cause or natural attributes to exist? Even blind chaos would need a cause or Causator and the universe shows order. Time of day for sunrise and sunset at any location on earth is perfectly predictable.
Of course we can predict sunrise and sunset because reality is consistent within itself and we are able to measure these consistencies. You act as if this should be impossible without a mind behind it, but there's no evidence for this what-so-ever. You hold these views because they're intuitive to you. But our own perceptions can be very misleading. What seems intuitive can be wrong. At one point in time, it was intuitive that the world was flat. Now we know better and with understanding we now accept the world is round despite how it seems like it shouldn't be.
To the Op. No- there is no such a thing as an atheist it scientifically and socially and mentally does not exist. Why, because atheist believe in God, they do not believe in the God of the bible nor any other God accept one. The God of themself, they happy with the God of self. Don't think so?
And you like to play tennis with a pool noodle while wearing a cowboy hat.
Instead of making assumptions about us, why don't you ask us for answers instead?
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Why are they here picking at the God of Christendom?
We're simply responding to the thread targeting what we do and do not believe. And throughout this thread, we have been asked what we believe and why. We're not picking a part Christianity, not on this site. We're being responsive to those who are either curious or those who spread misinformation about us.
But I would bet that they gave there children presents under the false pretense of Santa Claus. You don't see them fighting that nor Mickey Mouse which is false.
Many atheists question whether it's healthy to tell children Santa is real. But the thing is, most parents reveal Santa isn't real to their children unless their children find out first.
As for Mickey Mouse, everyone knows he isn't real except for maybe small children (who quickly learn he isn't real).
You don't see them arguing against Buddha, nor Confucius. But they will raise their voice against Jesus why?
1. Most of us come from North America or Europe where the vast majority of people are Chrisitian.
2. Because Christianity plays a larger role in our local societies and politics than other religions.
If a group of people began to preach how Mickey Mouse is real with utmost sincerity, then I would tell them they were wrong. And if so many people believed in Mickey Mouse they started creating laws and social standards revolving around the idea that he's real, then I would speak out against Mickey Mouse believers as much as I would call out Christians.
Because the mention of His name aggravates them and convicts them and that's why they fight it so hard, they don't fight anything else accept the name of Jesus.
And you speak against atheism because the mere idea that God isn't real makes you want to wet yourself.
Yes? No? Don't make assumptions about us and I won't make assumptions about you.
We speak against what we feel is untrue. We believe Christianity is untrue and we have plenty of reasons for thinking so. We have plenty of reasons for speaking out against Christianity. If you want to know why, ask us - don't make assumptions.
To be a true atheist, there is no God but yet, you are your own God, and contradict yourself.
I'm a human being - I am not a god. Other atheists will say the same thing.
Again, you can't imagine how someone can lack belief in a god. Therefore, if someone doesn't believe in Yahweh or Vishnu or Allah, then they must think of themselves as a god. Newsflash, there are people out there who believe the total sum of gods is ZERO. We don't believe ourselves to be gods, this is merely a projection of your own idea of what it must be like to be an atheist - which is dead wrong.
In fact you don'y see any atheist speaking against Islam do you? HHMMM!!
I guess you've never heard of Draw Muhammad Day.
Most atheists are also critical of Islam and other religions as well. The reason we don't spend as much time talking about the other religions is because most of the people around us are Christian. In fact, most English speaking people from North America and Europe are Christian, which means we're going to end up discussing Christianity more often than Islam or Hinduism since barely any English speakers follow either of those religions.
If we grew up speaking Indian and lived under a government that applies Hindu law to our society, we would spend most of our time speaking against Hinduism. If we grew up in a Muslim nation, we would want to speak out against Islam - of course Muslim nations tend to arrest and kill those who speak against Islam...
If Muslims ever gain a large political or social influence in America, you'll hear more atheists talk about how wrong Islam is - trust me. And if they were to try and apply their religious views to our laws - we'd probably stop criticizing Christianity as much since Muslim nations tend to be much less free than today's Christian nations.
