"Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine
after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."
you yourself have been arguing the same thing:
Jesus turned water into unfermented wine and not fermented wine.
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"Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine
after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."
you yourself have been arguing the same thing:
Oh! Please! If it isn´t Kosher, I don´t want it.
Is it fermented? Oh! No! I don´t do drugs...
pretty sure that means don't drink yourself into a stupor so that you find yourself just gazing at the wine in your glass beholding it's beauty with an empty, intoxicated mind.
it will take quite some time for a glass of grape juice to ferment sitting on a table, and before that happens it's going to get covered with a film of mold. so if we're talking about watching freshly squeezed juice turn into wine, it's going to turn brown and green in the cup, not red.
Do not look at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup and goes down smoothly.
(Proverbs 23:31)
moldy juice doesn't sparkle or go down smoothly, let me tell you. chunky, dull-patina and bitter.
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jkalyna
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No. I have been arguing that "well drunk" cannot be in reference to them being drunk because Jesus is not a drug pusher. Also, no drunkard shall inherit the kingdom of God, too.
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In other words, if a person is drunk, they are a drunkard. Just as if someone murders another, they are called a murderer.
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jkalyna
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Oh, sorry! Where´s my cup?
How many we are to be complete?
One, two... threee!
Here´s the church!
Aleluya!
Sinner! you´re a sinner!
Abstentationists believe it is lawful to drink soberly and in moderation in private, but they warn others against the dangers of alcohol because the Bible warns against it and because people have destroyed their life with it.
don't gaze at it!!!
look not upon the sparkles!
*sigh* i think this thread is driving more than one of the beloved to drink...
You are taking my words out of context which is what I believe you are doing with the Bible, too.
This the full context of what I said,
Jesus could not have made alcoholic wine because John chapter 2 says, that the people at the wedding were "well drunk" (John 2:10 KJV). This means that they had already had drank a good amount of wine already and would have been either tipsy or close to being tipsy (at the very least). Jesus creating more good wine (i.e. good wine supposedly meaning that it was stronger in alcoholic content) would have contributed to the intoxication of those at the wedding party. This means that if they were not sober before, Jesus creating even more stronger alcoholic wine would have definitely made them at least tipsy or with having a mind that was not sober. This is a direct violation of Scripture that commands Christians to be sober (1 Peter 1:13 KJV) (1 Peter 4:7 KJV) (1 Timothy 3:2 KJV) (1 Timothy 3:11 KJV) (Titus 1:8 KJV) (Titus 2:2 KJV) (Titus 2:4 KJV) (Titus 2:6 KJV) (Titus 2:12 KJV) (1 Thessalonians 5:6,*7,*8). For God's Word wants us to be sober minded for our adversary the devil, is a roaring lion, who walks about, seeking those whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8 KJV). So were they sober at the wedding or not?
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You are right! There´s double "moral" in several things but I never have problems with alcohol and not other drug.
What about those others things people should be abstained? (that list is long, isn´t it?) but you limited this to your own views, sir.
Hope you don´t need to mention them. Will you?
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jkalyna
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No. The Bible says that we are to be sober minded. It also warns against the dangers of alcohol. It says we are not do anything to make our brother to stumble, too. More people struggle with alcoholism than ever. Your lack of regard for them is unloving or anti-Christian.
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jkalyna
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*yeah, it's the new wine Jesus was talking about, the best from the rest, made by him, so get drunk ya'll spiritual new life, it's not an advertisement lolUffff!
Is it an add to sell it out?
I'm done here.
