Jesus Christ is not your Lord

newbirth · Aug 6, 2014

VCO said:

I cannot what is not there...you have no scripture to back that up....we are born of God.....Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

newbirth · Aug 6, 2014

VCO said:

Are you really born again?....
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3 [/SUP]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

homwardbound · Aug 6, 2014

newbirth said:

It is easy to not rightly divide the word of God in Spirit and truth, because we are in unredeemed flesh and blood, yet reconciled to God by Son in his death, 100%percent forgiven by the last shedding of blood from God for us to us.

The self flesh we all are born in is not pleasing to God the new born person we become by God, being born again in Spirit and truth does please God. It is all about new life in Spirit and truth, forsaking one's own attitude of I am right and others are wrong except whom I agree with, attitudes all over the world.
So Luke 6:32, love all right? Are we to force anything on anyone else? Are walk in love to all God's amazing way

homwardbound · Aug 6, 2014

newbirth said:

okay then, so brother you do not sin anymore ever, and never will, your flesh is dead then, you do not reckon it alive daily? Love it, if you walk in Spirit 24/7 everyday you are correct. For all sin is condemned to flesh and blood by Christ's death
Glad to know you have attained.
For me, I just die daily, and reckon me dead to flesh and blood daily in order to the new life in Spirit and truth, and get my instructions for the day. I am trusting God to teach me and not be arroant and think I have no possibility to ever sin again. I can't predict future, so I can and do die daily
Does this work for you?

newbirth · Aug 6, 2014

homwardbound said:

If you want to deny the word what can I say ...follow your doctrine of man I will follow God. Because I quote the word you say I am forcing something on someone? Everyone has the right to choose...You don't have to agree with me agree with what the word says, not an opinion..whenever the word is quoted some how everyone thinks God made a mistake and they have to correct Him...
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

chubbena · Aug 6, 2014

homwardbound said:

Difficult question is, the wash rinse repeat life style truly a spiritual being or an in-between being?
Can one claim he quits smoking if he still lights it up from time to time?

tourist · Aug 6, 2014

chubbena said:

I have quit smoking many times. I die to myself a little each day.

chubbena · Aug 6, 2014

tourist said:

I used to, at the peak two packs a day, more so at the bar. I tried to quit many times but failed.
I finally quit. Praise the Lord because He shown that I was in bondage.
I had that urge to go back for I didn't think it's such a big deal to health and my smoker friends didn't really help but I'm glad He shut off any opportunity even if I tried so bad to look for one.
Looking back, my health is saved by quitting.
He's showing me I'm still in bondage if I don't quit sinning now. I don't want no body to tell me different.

newbirth · Aug 6, 2014

homwardbound said:

I have not attained but [SUP]14 [/SUP]I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

God has made it possible for us to not sin again.

Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; [SUP]2 [/SUP]That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

But your words are of arrogance I quoted the word and look at the first part of your response..Where did I imply that ...but is it not our calling to walk in spirit 24/7 or do we we get time off from walking in spirit.

Sec · Aug 6, 2014

God is at work in the lives of every soul in the world, whether they believe in Him on not, even the most God hating atheist in the world is being watched, tested, and changed on a daily basis, so that one day in that non-believer's future, they will get down on their knees and give themselves to God, why? because Jesus is Lord:

Romans 8:29. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

That is the purpose of God, God foreknows every soul in the world, and He has predestined them to be conformed, that is remade, into perfect spiritual images of Jesus. He is hard at work on everyone, non-believers, Muslims, Buddhists, everybody, to slowly, over time, remake them into perfect spiritual images of Jesus. there will be some who will not be converted, and for them, the second death awaits, but god will not give up until it becomes clear that their soul cannot be remade into the gold He wants in His Kingdom.
So YES, Jesus is Lord of all !

homwardbound · Aug 7, 2014

newbirth said:

Glad to know we agree, seeing Christ from two sides in the arena, you state this or that about scripture and i state this and that.
Not fighting you or judging you, just stating what I see as possible, and we both get to go to Romans 14:4 and trust God to straighten both of us out to stand as God said, since we both beleive Christ went to the cross for us to give us life in the resurrected Christ from Father a free gift to us, just ask, believe, receive and see. That is all i say, God is each of our teacher, Hebrews 8:11
Thank you for all your concerns

homwardbound · Aug 7, 2014

chubbena said:

So do you, claim this or that, that it is you that quit. if so then you will start up again, by your own pride that gets in the way, you think? been there done that and do not pout any Confidence in the flesh
Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

And one might do this or that, Ex: smoke and be guilty, or lust after another, in his own mind and be guilty so much he repents so much that he finally walks away from it, and say a few days or even a week later hears those thoughts from the Spirit of Error in high places of look at you, you haven't smoked or lusted, wow hah!!!!!!! we in our flesh get proud and what happens if we belong to God?
Do we get buffeted as in 2 Cor. 12 to be made humble again?
If not and we stay proud and boastful, do you think we might not belong to God, for God does chasten his children in love does God not?
Another way to say this is, do you think a person that comes to God, believes God and is in the garbage can. Do you think God will them there? And God never by force will take anyone out, it does take our believing God to supply us with all we need for life, the new life he gives in the resurrected Son, Jesus Christ in Spirit and truth, no other way can God be worshiped or can God? John 4:23-24. did not Christ only worship God his Father by Faith in Father to do whatever work was to be done? Is this not the same for all of us here on earth, Christ the perfect sample. And has he not sent to us that same Holy Spirit of truth, over the Spirit of error, to set us free from bondage?

Apostol2013 · Aug 7, 2014

Grace and truth is within the spirit of God ,the spirit of Christ in mercy and what is mercy , The mercy of Christ is this that we love one another as Christ our saviour had loved us , therefore we are to lay our lives down for the brethren just as Christ had loved us we shall do the same and this is mercy ,and mercy starts within our osn house .

homwardbound · Aug 7, 2014

tourist said:

Brother that is just one part of the layers of the onion, that bring tears, that god is teaching you as you are being peeled back in agreement with God to be finished as God is and was on the seve3nth day to give you complete rest in God 24/7. As you grow, like a grapevine, and fall on the ground, God picks you up in love and hangs you back on the trellis, cuts you back so that you will flourish in him by Son John 15 real clear on this
I quit smoking and got a little proud and boastful in front of others and what happened I went back, I was humbled for putting out that I was better than those the still smoked not intentionally, but was shown. Then I went and quit again, and got the attitude you better or else, amde kind of like a doctrine out of quitting. Yeap and I went back to smoking, to be humbled again as in 2 Cor. 12:7- 10
Well today so far, I have quit, been awhile and nothing to be proud of or guilty of any longer, and not because I quit, because God did it for me, because "I" gave up on my "I" doing it, trusted God to show me how to by Faith, and stay humble in it. Could "I" ever get in the way and start again? and so is why I die daily as Paul said and did as well, died daily to self flesh as in phil. 3
Just as this is what you are learning, to walk by Faith in the finished work of Christ fore you and thus walk as he walked, knowing that if you fail you have your advocate Jesus Christ the righteous, to teach you where you stepped off walking by Faith in Spirit and truth to Father, and never ever being unforgiven for there is no more forgiveness without the shedding of blood and Christ is that last shedding and sacrifice
Christ is our Lord unto Christ's Lord God the Father to come and live in us and teach us, grow us up in the meat of the wpord of love and Mercy

homwardbound · Aug 7, 2014

chubbena said:

Brother, just do not give up as this world turns against us to do good no matter what, God leads not us, and God will carry on this work of us to not walk by ourselves, more so by Faith as Son did and showed us this in his walk, depending on no one else but Father, Christ is our bridge over to Father were we are safe in Father, and we learn from Father how to trust to not harm another

homwardbound · Aug 7, 2014

newbirth said:

I was asking not accusing, sorry you took it wrong and thank you for your honest reply, yes we put what is behind us behind us and moved toward the mark of the high calling of God
for me if I do not remain humble, I realize, that as Paul got, so do I get 2Cor 12

chubbena · Aug 7, 2014

homwardbound said:

So do you, claim this or that, that it is you that quit. if so then you will start up again, by your own pride that gets in the way, you think? been there done that and do not pout any Confidence in the flesh
Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

And one might do this or that, Ex: smoke and be guilty, or lust after another, in his own mind and be guilty so much he repents so much that he finally walks away from it, and say a few days or even a week later hears those thoughts from the Spirit of Error in high places of look at you, you haven't smoked or lusted, wow hah!!!!!!! we in our flesh get proud and what happens if we belong to God?
Do we get buffeted as in 2 Cor. 12 to be made humble again?
If not and we stay proud and boastful, do you think we might not belong to God, for God does chasten his children in love does God not?
Another way to say this is, do you think a person that comes to God, believes God and is in the garbage can. Do you think God will them there? And God never by force will take anyone out, it does take our believing God to supply us with all we need for life, the new life he gives in the resurrected Son, Jesus Christ in Spirit and truth, no other way can God be worshiped or can God? John 4:23-24. did not Christ only worship God his Father by Faith in Father to do whatever work was to be done? Is this not the same for all of us here on earth, Christ the perfect sample. And has he not sent to us that same Holy Spirit of truth, over the Spirit of error, to set us free from bondage?

What I was saying: man thinks he's spiritual but goes back to the vomit from time to time is not spiritual but is in between AND NOT FREE as he claims. Of course some will always sugar coat such as "weakness".

homwardbound · Aug 7, 2014

Apostol2013 said:

Grace and truth is within the spirit of God ,the spirit of Christ in mercy and what is mercy , The mercy of Christ is this that we love one another as Christ our saviour had loved us , therefore we are to lay our lives down for the brethren just as Christ had loved us we shall do the same and this is mercy ,and mercy starts within our osn house .

Amen Brother, a mark high mark for you

homwardbound · Aug 7, 2014

chubbena said:

Amen Brother, been there and easily can be again as soon as I get pride in my way, So I see as in Micah
[h=1]Micah 6:8King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]8 [/SUP]He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

I see if I lose humility, I lose out and am walking of and in self and having an attitude of look at me, and I need a 2 cor 12 lesson you think

chubbena · Aug 7, 2014

homwardbound said:

He's the One who shows His mercies morning by morning so as long as I have TODAY I know there's hope.
I had that physical soreness all over the joints in my body not to mention that emptiness in the brain for more than half a year after I quit smoking.
I don't think quitting sinning would lead to such because the craving is all in the mind.
Theoretically it should be easier and more so if we have more encouraging threads like this one and less so if we side with the accuser saying we just can't or we have already arrived in Christ when we are have not.

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