No I understand perfectly that when we have received HIM as Lord, HE sees us through the shed blood of Christ, which washes us "white as snow". What I am saying is that in the flesh there still remains a sin nature that rebels against authority. THUS the necessity for "confession" of sin in the Greek perfect tense verb, needs to be part of our ongoing Chrisitian lifestyle. We study the Scriptures and when we discover something that is sin that we did now know prior to that was sin, or stumble; we immediately confess it as sin, repent, and get on with walking in obedience. (For Example: It says we are to submit to EVERY ordinance of man for the Lord's sake. Omitting to submit to and obey any ordinance, such as the posted speed limit, or talking on your cell phone while driving, when there is an ordinance against it, etc., etc.; then those failures to obey the ordinances certainly are sins that need to be confessed and repented of.)
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No I understand perfectly that when we have received HIM as Lord, HE sees us through the shed blood of Christ, which washes us "white as snow". What I am saying is that in the flesh there still remains a sin nature that rebels against authority. THUS the necessity for "confession" of sin in the Greek perfect tense verb, needs to be part of our ongoing Chrisitian lifestyle. We study the Scriptures and when we discover something that is sin that we did now know prior to that was sin, or stumble; we immediately confess it as sin, repent, and get on with walking in obedience. (For Example: It says we are to submit to EVERY ordinance of man for the Lord's sake. Omitting to submit to and obey any ordinance, such as the posted speed limit, or talking on your cell phone while driving, when there is an ordinance against it, etc., etc.; then those failures to obey the ordinances certainly are sins that need to be confessed and repented of.)
...That way God condemned sin in our corrupt nature. [SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Answer me this ...Did God forgive our sins and give us a new start with the same old sinful nature or were we born again with the nature of Christ and power over sin? Is God saying here, if we walk after the spirit we might become righteous according to the law? Is your spirit ruling your flesh or is your flesh ruling your spirit?
Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. [SUP]2 [/SUP]As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.
Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. [SUP]2 [/SUP]As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.
ONCE again, "confess" would NOT be in the tense that implies a continuous lifelong habit of doing that verb if human beings could eradicate all sin from their bodies.
Born again is something that happens to the human spirit, not the human body.
John 3:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
2 Chronicles 6:36 (NASB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] "When they sin against You (for there is no man who does not sin) and You are angry with them and deliver them to an enemy, so that they take them away captive to a land far off or near,
Romans 3:21-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 3:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] All have turned away; all alike have become useless. There is no one who does what is good, not even one. 4
Isaiah 53:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Romans 7:22-24 (ESV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
[SUP]36 [/SUP] "When they sin against You (for there is no man who does not sin) and You are angry with them and deliver them to an enemy, so that they take them away captive to a land far off or near,
Romans 3:21-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 3:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] All have turned away; all alike have become useless. There is no one who does what is good, not even one. 4
Isaiah 53:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Romans 7:22-24 (ESV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
Positional holiness and physical holiness are two different things.
Positional holiness is all because of what CHRIST has done.
Physical holiness will not be totally accomplished until we get that glorified body that cannot even think about a sin.
Still striving to be physically holy most certainly is the goal we aim for, but putting to death the old man is a daily struggle:
Luke 9:23 (ASV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And he said unto all, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
1 John 1:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we say, “We have no sin,” we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say, “We don’t have any sin,” we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Hebrews 12:5-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: My son, do not take the Lord’s discipline lightly or faint when you are reproved by Him,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] for the Lord disciplines the one He loves and punishes every son He receives.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Endure ⌊suffering⌋ as discipline: God is dealing with you as sons. For what son is there that a father does not discipline?
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But if you are without discipline—which all receive—then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
Still want to claim you are sinless?
Positional holiness is all because of what CHRIST has done.
Physical holiness will not be totally accomplished until we get that glorified body that cannot even think about a sin.
Still striving to be physically holy most certainly is the goal we aim for, but putting to death the old man is a daily struggle:
Luke 9:23 (ASV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And he said unto all, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
1 John 1:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we say, “We have no sin,” we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say, “We don’t have any sin,” we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Hebrews 12:5-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons: My son, do not take the Lord’s discipline lightly or faint when you are reproved by Him,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] for the Lord disciplines the one He loves and punishes every son He receives.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Endure ⌊suffering⌋ as discipline: God is dealing with you as sons. For what son is there that a father does not discipline?
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But if you are without discipline—which all receive—then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
Still want to claim you are sinless?
God see's us as as righteous only because of the righteousness of Christ. Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith (Philippians 3:9).
IF we are His children, our sins are forgiven and we have an Advocate with the Father. 1 John 2:1 - My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
You need to read verses 6 and 7 together. 1 John 1:6 - IF we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But IF we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. Walking in darkness is descriptive of lost unbelievers. Walking in the light is descriptive of saved believers. Only saved believers are in the light. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. 2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? John is addressing two different walks. One in darkness, one in light. IF confirms these positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other.
1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness (practices sin - 1 John 3:8/walks in darkness) is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
IF we are His children, our sins are forgiven and we have an Advocate with the Father. 1 John 2:1 - My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
You need to read verses 6 and 7 together. 1 John 1:6 - IF we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But IF we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. Walking in darkness is descriptive of lost unbelievers. Walking in the light is descriptive of saved believers. Only saved believers are in the light. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. 2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? John is addressing two different walks. One in darkness, one in light. IF confirms these positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other.
1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness (practices sin - 1 John 3:8/walks in darkness) is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
Our actions demonstrate our faith or lack of faith. We are not righteous in of ourselves. Our actions/works reveal the state of our hearts. Actions/works will appear to be evidences for, or against a man's being in a state of grace and righteousness, though our actions do not merit eternal life. How will our actions matter at the Judgment Seat of Christ for believers? 1 Corinthians 3:11 - For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; (of reward) but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
Our works demonstrate that our faith is alive, but our righteousness is not through works, but through faith in Christ. "Faith without works is dead" does not mean that works are the source of life in faith. A dead faith does not produce works in order to become a living faith but BECAUSE it's a living faith; just as a dead tree does not produce fruit in order to become a living tree but BECAUSE it's a living tree. You seem to put the cart before the horse.
You can't imagine? Are you that naive? So you say these are genuine believers who practice sin and not righteousness and walk in darkness? What did John say? 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness (does not practice the truth) is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. John is saying IF we say, not that he is doing this but anyone who says they have fellowship with Him, and walks in darkness, lies and does not practice the truth. Let's go on to see what John says about these people.
1 John 2:11 - But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 3:10 - ANYONE who does not practice righteousness IS NOT OF GOD (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) and nor the one who does not love his brother (1 John 3:10) compare with hates his brother walks in darkness (1 John 2:11). Do you still think those who are described as does not practice the righteousness/does not practice the truth; does not love his brother/hates his brother; walks in darkness are those who are born of God/genuine believers?
Just because a letter is written to believers does not mean that everyone discussed in the epistle is a genuine believer.
Again, John is addressing two different walks. One in darkness, one in light. IF confirms these positions in verses 1 John 1:6 - 7. It's one or the other.
1 John 2:9 - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. (compare with Acts 26:18 - turn them from darkness to light) 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
Our works demonstrate that our faith is alive, but our righteousness is not through works, but through faith in Christ. "Faith without works is dead" does not mean that works are the source of life in faith. A dead faith does not produce works in order to become a living faith but BECAUSE it's a living faith; just as a dead tree does not produce fruit in order to become a living tree but BECAUSE it's a living tree. You seem to put the cart before the horse.
You can't imagine? Are you that naive? So you say these are genuine believers who practice sin and not righteousness and walk in darkness? What did John say? 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness (does not practice the truth) is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. John is saying IF we say, not that he is doing this but anyone who says they have fellowship with Him, and walks in darkness, lies and does not practice the truth. Let's go on to see what John says about these people.
1 John 2:11 - But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 3:10 - ANYONE who does not practice righteousness IS NOT OF GOD (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) and nor the one who does not love his brother (1 John 3:10) compare with hates his brother walks in darkness (1 John 2:11). Do you still think those who are described as does not practice the righteousness/does not practice the truth; does not love his brother/hates his brother; walks in darkness are those who are born of God/genuine believers?
Just because a letter is written to believers does not mean that everyone discussed in the epistle is a genuine believer.
Again, John is addressing two different walks. One in darkness, one in light. IF confirms these positions in verses 1 John 1:6 - 7. It's one or the other.
1 John 2:9 - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. (compare with Acts 26:18 - turn them from darkness to light) 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
And that is the TRUTH, but it is also TRUE that NO human being can walk filled with the Spirit 100% of the time, because the flesh is weak (has a sin nature in it).
LOOK at the very next verse and you will see what I am talking about. A sin nature that is always there in this mortal body:
Galatians 5:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
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New, you forget that John loved those Greek perfect tense verbs that imply a continuous lifestyle.
1 John 2:4 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
It is saying in that Perfect tense verb, that he does not continually keep His commandments as a lifestyle. In other words his lifestyle is continually NOT KEEPING His commandments. No where in that verbiage is it implying that a one time slip and fall totally disqualifies you, but a lifestyle of remaining in that sin does.
1 John 2:4 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
It is saying in that Perfect tense verb, that he does not continually keep His commandments as a lifestyle. In other words his lifestyle is continually NOT KEEPING His commandments. No where in that verbiage is it implying that a one time slip and fall totally disqualifies you, but a lifestyle of remaining in that sin does.
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I repeat you are talking about Positional holiness and I am talking about physical holiness. Our spiritual Position as Children of GOD, insures the blood of Christ cleanses us, but physically because sin is in the flesh, it still must die, because we remain sinners.
Galatians 5:17 (HCSB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the flesh desires what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit desires what is against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you don’t do what you want.
Romans 6:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Galatians 5:17 (HCSB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the flesh desires what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit desires what is against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you don’t do what you want.
Romans 6:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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You glory in being a sinner but I am called to be a saint. How can you be a sinner (child of the devil ) and saint (child of God) you can't be both choose...
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. ...
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. ...
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Here is a song about giving Jesus Control of our lives, that I think everyone will enjoy:
Hillsong - From The Inside Out - With Subtitles/Lyrics - YouTube
Hillsong - From The Inside Out - With Subtitles/Lyrics - YouTube