The Death Penalty

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Should the death penalty be applied today in our courts of law?
 
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Yes...God uses civil Governments to work his will and we are to pray for them that we can lead a quiet peaceable life...and even used the Roman machine and one of the means of capital punishment to Crucify the Son of God!
 

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Yes. This law has never been removed by God concerning human governments.

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

I'll add this for good measure...

Romans 13:3-4 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
 
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Yes. This law has never been removed by God concerning human governments.

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

I'll add this for good measure...

Romans 13:3-4 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
I agree......!
 
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I suspect there will be those who completely object to the death penalty for the guilty, yet find the death penalty for innocent unborn humans(also known as abortion) to be just fine.

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I am against taking of humans lives, no matter the circumstance. the USA is about the only part of the "modern world" that still has the death penalty.
 
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The execution of a convicted murderer in Arizona lasted for nearly two hours on Wednesday, as witnesses said he gasped and snorted for much of that time before eventually dying.
This drawn-out death of Joseph R. Wood III in Arizona prompted the governor to order a review and drew renewed criticism of lethal injection, the main method of execution in the United States, just months after a high-profile botched execution in Oklahoma.
 
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The execution of a convicted murderer in Arizona lasted for nearly two hours on Wednesday, as witnesses said he gasped and snorted for much of that time before eventually dying.
This drawn-out death of Joseph R. Wood III in Arizona prompted the governor to order a review and drew renewed criticism of lethal injection, the main method of execution in the United States, just months after a high-profile botched execution in Oklahoma.
Perhaps 2 shots in the abdomen and then a third in the chest would have been more appropriate than a lethal injection.

Wood and his 29-year-old ex-girlfriend, Debbie Dietz, had been involved in a turbulent relationship for 5 years, which had been marred by numerous breakups and several domestic violent incidents. Debbie was working at a local body shop owned by her family. On August 7, 1989, Wood walked into the shop and shot Gene Dietz, age 55, in the chest with a .38 caliber revolver, killing him. Gene Dietz's 70-year-old brother was present and tried to stop Wood, but Wood pushed him away and proceeded into another section of the body shop. Wood went up to Debbie, placed her in some type of hold, and shot her once in the abdomen and once in the chest, killing her. Wood then fled the building. Two police officers approached Wood and ordered him to drop his weapon. After Wood placed the weapon on the ground, he reached down and picked it up, and pointed it at the officers. The officers fired, striking Wood several times. Wood was transported to a local hospital where he underwent extensive surgery.
-azcentral
 

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I would say yes in principle, but in the UK the law is an ass (donkey not your American meaning of the word) and along with corrupt judges and police we have had numerous people convicted of murder who ended up being released as investigation showed they were framed and evidence falsified.

It is this reason the death sentience should not be used, how many innocent people end up being executed simply because the police need results or political pressure to pin the blame on someone.
 
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Yes. This law has never been removed by God concerning human governments.

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

I'll add this for good measure...

Romans 13:3-4 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
So it's ok for a Muslim ruler to chop off your head for preaching the bible (evil works). It's not ok? Oh, you mean a just ruler.
You mean we actually have just rulers today cause I can't count one. Not here or abroad. Just saying....
 

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So it's ok for a Muslim ruler to chop off your head for preaching the bible (evil works). It's not ok? Oh, you mean a just ruler.
You mean we actually have just rulers today cause I can't count one. Not here or abroad. Just saying....
Nowhere in the Bible, including here in Romans, does God solely qualify that respect for rulers and leaders and their decisions with being "just" in the eyes of man.
 
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Nowhere in the Bible, including here in Romans, does God solely qualify that respect for rulers and leaders and their decisions with being "just" in the eyes of man.
Right and Moses wasn't a just man in the eyes of the people was he? just justice judge
And you apparently haven't read, and the just shall live by faith
You don't understand the sermon on the mount either it appears as Jesus said plain and simple, ye have heard it was said in times of old an eye for an eye, but I say turn the other cheek and forgive which don't mean use a sword on him.
And as far as the OP the SWORD mentioned in Romans does not mean a metal object to run through a man or chop off his head, it simply means TRUTH AND JUSTice. English words and terms really defeat Gods true Spiritual Word.
 

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I would say yes in principle, but in the UK the law is an ass (donkey not your American meaning of the word) and along with corrupt judges and police we have had numerous people convicted of murder who ended up being released as investigation showed they were framed and evidence falsified.

It is this reason the death sentience should not be used, how many innocent people end up being executed simply because the police need results or political pressure to pin the blame on someone.
That's my view on the matter also. There's too much of a chance that an innocent person could be killed. There are way too many cases of convicted people who later turned out to be innocent for me to feel at all comfortable about the death penalty. I am pro-life all the way.
 

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That's my view on the matter also. There's too much of a chance that an innocent person could be killed. There are way too many cases of convicted people who later turned out to be innocent for me to feel at all comfortable about the death penalty. I am pro-life all the way.
If you have the power and refuse to execute a murderer, then you are not pro-life when he murders again. The perfect is the enemy of the good. You can outlaw driving because innocent people get killed also. We don't have a choice, because Genesis 9 gives man, along with the rainbow, the obligation to execute murderers. To be sure, the standard for conviction should be high to this. I can't speak for the UK, but in the USA we have lots of injustice -- long delays, lawyers playing games, jury sorting so the guy with the big money, can hire expert jury-selectors & win right there.

But we still have the obligation to execute murderers. Man is made in the image of God, and has not only the authority, but the command to execute murderers.

Now you have no scripture for your position; you are just exercising your freedom of speech to give a human opinion. But here is God's Word:

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Romans 13:3-4 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Numbers 35:

"Moreover ye shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer, that is guilty of death; but he shall surely be put to death. And ye shall take no ransom for him that is fled to his city of refuge, that he may come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest. So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood, it polluteth the land; and no expiation can be made for the land for the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it. And thou shalt not defile the land which ye inhabit, "
 

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That's my view on the matter also. There's too much of a chance that an innocent person could be killed. There are way too many cases of convicted people who later turned out to be innocent for me to feel at all comfortable about the death penalty. I am pro-life all the way.

Weren't the people killed by ALREADY convicted murderers, who supposedly got "life in prison" innocent?

Revealed: The five murderers given life in jail but freed to kill again | Mail Online
 

PennEd

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That's my view on the matter also. There's too much of a chance that an innocent person could be killed. There are way too many cases of convicted people who later turned out to be innocent for me to feel at all comfortable about the death penalty. I am pro-life all the way.

I truly believe if you read this list you will change your mind. Think of all these people's family members who have to live with the knowledge that the people that killed their loved ones killed before, WEREN'T executed, only to be released to kill their mothers and fathers and brothers and CHILDREN.....

A List of Murderers Released to Murder Again!
 

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I truly believe if you read this list you will change your mind. Think of all these people's family members who have to live with the knowledge that the people that killed their loved ones killed before, WEREN'T executed, only to be released to kill their mothers and fathers and brothers and CHILDREN.....

A List of Murderers Released to Murder Again!
My heart goes out to the victims. This is a tough subject. I'm going to have to think about this some more.
 

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We do not have the death penalty in Canada, and generally speaking it is a good thing. But there needs to be an "exceptional clause" for mass murders.

We have a couple of terrible mass murderers in jail. Technically, life in Canada is 20 year, usually 10 years with time off for good behaviour. But the mass murderers have to have parole hearings, and then all the people who are involved have to travel to Ottawa to testify about how the murders of their children have affected them. So every year, the wounds are torn open for these poor parents. And then the parole gets turned down till next year. Scary stuff, if someone decided to let these particular people go! They have in no way repented, any of them, they are psychopaths. No conscience!

So we have to house and feed these people, when they should have been put away a long time ago. I think we are basically talking about 3 or 4 people maximum.

So I am not for the death penalty generally, but I think the state does have the right to intervene in special circumstances!
 

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So it's ok for a Muslim ruler to chop off your head for preaching the bible (evil works). It's not ok? Oh, you mean a just ruler.
You mean we actually have just rulers today cause I can't count one. Not here or abroad. Just saying....
I didn't read that the government had to be 'just' only that they are supposed to execute 'justice'.
 

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Right and Moses wasn't a just man in the eyes of the people was he? just justice judge
And you apparently haven't read, and the just shall live by faith
You don't understand the sermon on the mount either it appears as Jesus said plain and simple, ye have heard it was said in times of old an eye for an eye, but I say turn the other cheek and forgive which don't mean use a sword on him.
And as far as the OP the SWORD mentioned in Romans does not mean a metal object to run through a man or chop off his head, it simply means TRUTH AND JUSTice. English words and terms really defeat Gods true Spiritual Word.
Oh please. The sermon on the mount wasn't given to governments in our fallen state but to Christians.
If governments turned the other cheek, they wouldn't last 24 hours.