Amust read and why we need the King James

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Nothing wrong with Science.
Question.
How do you correlate your faith with your beliefs?
Great question. But you directed this question to Lizathrose, an atheist. It should be directed to the Christians who are in denial regarding science on this thread.

The question might be better worded like: “How do you reconcile the KJV with science?”

For example, the KJV would appear, based upon the genealogies stated therein, to indicate that Adam lived around 6,000 years ago.

Do those of you who posted on this thread agree that is what the KJV indicates?

If so, how to you reconcile that with science?

Incidentally, if you pick up an “old” KJV, it likely will have the dates events occurred printed on each page.
 

Timeline

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I prefer the NASB, but all translations fall short....pray, study, pray, study, pray.
 

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I prefer the NASB, but all translations fall short....pray, study, pray, study, pray.
When I say they fall short, what I mean is that in some places they don't completely convey the message as it was intended, but I do believe that they are adequate. And if we have zeal for the Lord, He will help us.
 
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IKing james is a good Bible, it closlely matches the most accurate Bible known, the Hebraic roots Bible

that one is free by the way

search for it on Google its the fourth site and it has coYHWHJerusalem in the web name

free add on for E-sword
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and PDF

I think it is a best Bible
but ignore the Jewish fables on the bottom some are really wild .
 
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kerry... gentleness is needed, not rigidity.
truth is shown by love, not by facts or arguments or ... whatever you're trying to tell her,
and you know that.

What you are telling her is just cultural christian speak, and she will not, and cannot relate to it.
Focus on the spiritual.



Lizathrose, I hope you stick around.
There are a few sensitive topics, and a few sensitive members, but there are also many positive, knowledgeable, and even influential voices here who you would be benefited by meeting and chatting with.
LT.. Can you please take her to the private message and teach her.
She has been on different Threads trying to push out Christ...and
bring in her belief. I thought of reporting her...then I decided ok,
give her a chance and maybe someone can reach her and lead her to
Christ .... have her know He died for her sins and in order to enter
the Kingdom of God she needs to repent and ask Jesus to come in her
heart. Remember there is a Heaven to gain and a hell to shun....
So, be blessed and take her off and help her find her way, please.
No one else can get through to her. You can if you are a believer in
Christ... God bless and prayers coming your way.. Be brave .. be bold
for Christ...
 

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I don't understand why a blatant and aggressive atheist is being allowed to derail thread after thread in this forum. If she wants to stay on topic, fine! But this abducting of threads to preach her evolutionary garbage is simply not acceptable!

PS. My undergrad degree is in science - biology and physical geography, which is when I realized what a lie evolution was, and believed in Christ. I am now a chaplain.
 
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BLENDING ALL RELIGIONS...THE OLD RELIGIONS WILL HAVE TO GO Another area of discussion was Religion. This is an avowed atheist speaking. And he said, "Religion is not necessarily bad. A lot of people seem to need religion, with it's mysteries and rituals - so they will have religion. But the major religions of today have to be changed because they are not compatible with the changes to come. The old religions will have to go. Especially Christianity. Once the Roman Catholic Church is brought down,the rest of Christianity will follow easily. Then a new religion can be accepted for use all over the world. It will incorporate something from all of the old ones to make it more easy for people to accept it, and feel at home in it. Most people won't be too concerned with religion. They will realize that they don't need it.
Who is "an atheist" who quoted this? Why isn't it cited? I Googled several sections and came up with nothing.

The KJV contains embarrassing sections that we atheists love to pick apart and laugh at. Not that the KJV bible is inaccurate in translating these mythological creatures as such, but it's a difficult thing for an apologist to defend.
 

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The KJV contains embarrassing sections that we atheists love to pick apart and laugh at. Not that the KJV bible is inaccurate in translating these mythological creatures as such, but it's a difficult thing for an apologist to defend.
What makes you think those are accurate translations? There's no linguistic link between any of the root Hebrew (or even in the cases of the 'cockatrice' in the Septuagint, the Greek) words, and the English terms used to translate them in the KJV. They were simply used because they were 'best guesses' for exceptional words that people didn't really understand, and that had a corollary in the culture of the KJV. We still don't definitively know what specific animal, if any, those words necessarily indicate, although our guesses are a little better.
 
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I don't understand why a blatant and aggressive atheist is being allowed to derail thread after thread in this forum. If she wants to stay on topic, fine! But this abducting of threads to preach her evolutionary garbage is simply not acceptable!

PS. My undergrad degree is in science - biology and physical geography, which is when I realized what a lie evolution was, and believed in Christ. I am now a chaplain.
Aggressive? Blatant? I didn't initially "derail" the conversation, to reiterate. I'm simply responding in defense of my own point of view, which doesn't necessarily conflict with scriptural material. Theistic evolution may be unfalsifiable, but at least it's an attempt to reconcile well-founded science with religious beliefs.
 
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Who is "an atheist" who quoted this? Why isn't it cited? I Googled several sections and came up with nothing.

The KJV contains embarrassing sections that we atheists love to pick apart and laugh at. Not that the KJV bible is inaccurate in translating these mythological creatures as such, but it's a difficult thing for an apologist to defend.
What's embarrassing is that you haven't even bothered to research what these words actually described in the KJV times.

Unicorn = a single-horned rhinoceros
Cockatrice = a poisonous snake
Satyrs = symbolic of pagan religions (a demonic wasteland - a place void of God's goodness)
Dragons = dinosaurs or dinosaur-like creatures
 
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What's embarrassing is that you haven't even bothered to research what these words actually described in the KJV times.

Unicorn = single-horned rhinoceros
Cockatrice = a poisonous snake
Satyrs = symbolic of pagan religions (a demonic wasteland - a place void of God's goodness)
Dragons = dinosaurs or dinosaur-like creatures

you left one out

Sorcerers - root word Pharmiketa = Pharmacist- meaning drug dealer.
 
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you left one out

Sorcerers - root word Pharmiketa = Pharmacist- meaning drug dealer.
Ah, good point. But drugs were commonly linked with occult practices. So sorcerers were just influential, highly-learned people involved in the occult.
 

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What's embarrassing is that you haven't even bothered to research what these words actually described in the KJV times.

Unicorn = a single-horned rhinoceros
Cockatrice = a poisonous snake
Satyrs = symbolic of pagan religions (a demonic wasteland - a place void of God's goodness)
Dragons = dinosaurs or dinosaur-like creatures
Your take on cockatrice is correct, but I'll have to disagree with you in regards to the animals referred to by Unicorn, Satyr, and Dragon.

First, Unicorn. It is almost indisputable that the original referent was clearly an animal with two horns, if only because the same hebrew word is also used in Deuteronomy 33, and it is explicitly said there that the animal has multiple horns. The one horn idea seems to come originally and exclusively from the Septuagint, which uses the greek word monokeros. It's not clear why this term is used, again, because the monokeros of Deut 33 clearly has more than one horn. Either the Greek-speaking Hebrews meant something else by monokeros (perhaps metaphorical, rather than a literal description of the referrant), or they simply got it wrong. In any case, the KJV can't be wholly blamed for this, because they were just essentially transliterating the Latin (unicornis), derived from the Greek (monokeros).

As for satyr, the Hebrew word used is שָׂעִיר, which roughly transliterates into English as sa'ir. I doubt this is coincidence. It's hard to know the etymology of the greek word satyrus, but given sa'ir is actually a word for goat in Hebrew (I think it literally means something along the lines of 'hairy thing'), it's not unreasonable to think that the Greek actually derives from the Hebrew somewhere along the line. Regardless, the referrant is not as metaphorical as being symbolic of pagan religions - it means goats, either literally as in that Isaiah passage, or elsewhere as a specific pagan practice of goat-idol worship (I think sa'ir also appears earlier in the Bible, maybe Exodus, and there is translated in the KJV as goat). In either case, for whatever reason, it seems most likely that the KJV writers transliterated the Hebrew here, rather than actually translating it.

As for dragons, no need to posit dinosaurs. It could be a sea monster of some sort, but the root world is almost unanimously translated as serpent in Exodus, including by the KJV. Big serpent-y monster, maybe. Either way, the idea that it could mean a dinosaur is one that is a possibility, but largely one that has been imported into the text, not derived from it.
 

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Ah, good point. But drugs were commonly linked with occult practices. So sorcerers were just influential, highly-learned people involved in the occult.
I think the force of pharmikeia is of drugs that are used for poison - the idea of sorcery probably came later, because of the idea that sorcerers essentially 'poisoned' their victims. I don't know about the occult idea and when that entered in to the semantic range. I also don't think they had to be influential or learned - they just had to negatively use poisons and drugs.
 
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Aggressive? Blatant? I didn't initially "derail" the conversation, to reiterate. I'm simply responding in defense of my own point of view, which doesn't necessarily conflict with scriptural material. Theistic evolution may be unfalsifiable, but at least it's an attempt to reconcile well-founded science with religious beliefs.
What I have seen on this thread borders on bearing false witness in my opinion.

First, you were unjustly called a troll. Then the person who called you a troll backed off and said perhaps you merely derailed the thread. But it was the OP himself to first took the thread to evolution. Actually, I think evolution is pertinent to the topic in several ways.

I have a daughter your age in college and she speaks your language, so to speak. She is a Christian though (and so am I), but questions the reconciliation, or lack thereof, of the Bible with science in a manner similar to the way you do.

Some of the responses on this thread are pathetic, and none of those were made by you, in my opinion. An atheist bent on humiliating Christians (I do not think you are one of those, but there are many) would have a field day with this thread.
 

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What I have seen on this thread borders on bearing false witness in my opinion.

First, you were unjustly called a troll. Then the person who called you a troll backed off and said perhaps you merely derailed the thread. But it was the OP himself to first took the thread to evolution. Actually, I think evolution is pertinent to the topic in several ways.

I have a daughter your age in college and she speaks your language, so to speak. She is a Christian though (and so am I), but questions the reconciliation, or lack thereof, of the Bible with science in a manner similar to the way you do.

Some of the responses on this thread are pathetic, and none of those were made by you, in my opinion. An atheist bent on humiliating Christians (I do not think you are one of those, but there are many) would have a field day with this thread.
Well said.
 

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if you question which of the version of a particular verse is correct and True, it is the KJV.

1 John 5:7 (KJV): "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Is that verse correct and true?
Yes that verse is correct and True, But don't believe me, believe the Word of God which plainly teaches the same thing.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (Father), and the Word (Jesus) was God (Godhead/Family). 2 The same (Jesus) was in the beginning with God (Father).

So before anything was made, there was Jesus with the Father, we know that because it just said that the Word, which we all know is Jesus, was with God the Father, which we know because Jesus Himself testifies that He has a Father in Heaven, and that Jesus Himself prayed to His Father in Heaven, and we know that Jesus Himself told us to pray to His Father in His name.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we
are.

So our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, first off He is praying to His Father (not to Himself) And He witnesses to us in His prayer that He is going to go and be with His Father in Heaven, which is a True witness, and that His Father and Himself are one. He even refers to Himself and His Father as "WE" Plural. Two. Jesus goes on to say in the same prayer to His Father:

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That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

WOW Jesus just said we (us Christians) can be ONE with Him and His Father. If i am ONE with them, does that mean i am Jesus? lol, no. Does it mean i am the Father? lol, no. Because Jesus said He was ONE with His Father does that mean He is the Father? lol, no. Jesus also taught that the husband and the wife are no longer two fleshes but they are ONE flesh, does that mean the husband is the wife? lol, no. There is the Father, there is the Son of that Father, there is the Holy Spirit, there is us Christians and according to the very words of our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ we all can be ONE With them, even as Jesus is ONE with the Father even as we are also ONE with the Father even as we are ONE with the Son of that Father, the Son of God Jesus Christ.

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And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

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I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

So then in light of what Jesus Christ, our Savior and our Lord thy God, plainly teaches, Yes I John 5:7 in the KJV is absolutely True, and Jesus Christ confirms it with His teachings. And the mere fact that God allowed I John 5:7 into His Word when it was being translated into English, confirms it as well. For God of the Universe is capable of making sure His Word is not corrupted. And if God wanted to ADD something to His Word, which was not plainly in the Hebrew, Greek, or Aramic writings, what better time to add to His Word what HE wanted than when it was being translated into the MOST popular version of all time, (except with the last day generation, who felt the KJV needed to be corrected, and since satan could not destroy the KJV, and he tried, God would not allow him to do so, satan came up with the next best strategy, cause people not to read it and study it, create thousands of other versions to cause mass confusion in the populous.)


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The KJV has already been tampered with to reinforce the clerical/laity construct. Listen to audio series 'The Great Ecclesiastical Conspiracy'. About 130 minutes long, done in ten minute increments. You say you don't have the time for this? How long is a football game? Gotcha!