A
It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security
- Thread starter Atwood
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Overcomers and only overcomers can expect to eat from the tree of life.
Church members include those who will not overcome.
Read, apply and believe the entire Bible.
"...To him who overcomes will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." (Revelation 2:7)
Study Revelation 22. It's the last chapter of the Bible. You can read it. It's OK. You may read some things that are different than the doctrine that you've been taught. When in doubt, believe the Word of God rather than the doctrines of men.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14)
"Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." (Revelation 22:12)
Church members include those who will not overcome.
Read, apply and believe the entire Bible.
"...To him who overcomes will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." (Revelation 2:7)
Study Revelation 22. It's the last chapter of the Bible. You can read it. It's OK. You may read some things that are different than the doctrine that you've been taught. When in doubt, believe the Word of God rather than the doctrines of men.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14)
"Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." (Revelation 22:12)
OSS - Depends on the Lord, Not the Christian
"But the Lord is faithful, who shall establish you, and guard you from evil."- 2 thes 3:3
Why that's not fair, is it? I mean you had rather hold on by your toenails & get the glory for yourself?
The Lord shall establish the believer -- no ifs ands or buts. And He will guard the believer from evil. If you believe now, your future is sure.
That's called OSS = Once saved, Saved! aka, having it made in the shade! better, in the light!
Eternal Security.
You see He is a 1st class Savior, the only Savior. He saves the ones He saves (duh).
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Is that all right with you?
Would it help to recite it 100 times a day until it sinks in?
He shall save His people from their sins.
Now how do you become a "His people"?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.
Though you takes it on the chins,
You shall be saved from sins.
Now you grin & bear a thing or two,
But you never end up in the stew.
He shall save His people from their sins.
"But the Lord is faithful, who shall establish you, and guard you from evil."- 2 thes 3:3
Why that's not fair, is it? I mean you had rather hold on by your toenails & get the glory for yourself?
The Lord shall establish the believer -- no ifs ands or buts. And He will guard the believer from evil. If you believe now, your future is sure.
That's called OSS = Once saved, Saved! aka, having it made in the shade! better, in the light!
Eternal Security.
You see He is a 1st class Savior, the only Savior. He saves the ones He saves (duh).
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Is that all right with you?
Would it help to recite it 100 times a day until it sinks in?
He shall save His people from their sins.
Now how do you become a "His people"?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.
Though you takes it on the chins,
You shall be saved from sins.
Now you grin & bear a thing or two,
But you never end up in the stew.
He shall save His people from their sins.
Blessed are they who wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. Rev 22:14
Not "keep commandments." Works don't save, the blood of the Lord Jesus, yes.
Surely, NewB, you have already read my posts where I show that the overcomer is the believer as John says in 1 John.
Good evening, (Nil is it? or Nell, as in my poor old Nelly grey, they have taken you away.")
Now dear nl, John explains the overcomer in 1 John, as the believer. All believers are overcomers.
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
Praise the Lord! This is a great couple of passages that teach OSS so clearly (Once saved, saved! -- the startling concept that salvation is salvation!) Eternal Security. He will never blot out the believer's name out of the Book of Life!
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
What is more doctrine of man than the delusion that you can be saved by works. Where does that come from but a wicked heart of pride? All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.
As to the end of Revelation, when this chap named Erasmus put together a Greek New Testament in the 1500's (which led to the KJV), he didn't even have a complete Greek manuscript of Revelation. So he made up one for something like 6 verses, translating Latin to Greek. So the end of Revelation in the King Jimmy has some corruption in it. Since Erasmus, many Greek manuscripts have been discovered. For example, you quote a corrupt text of Rev 22:14:
"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." "Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."
"do his commandments" is not the reading. The scripture is clear that works do not save.
And it looks like your threw in Rev 22:12 after 14.
Blessed are they who wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.
You will not get in by doing His commandments; if you insist on that route, you are not trusting the Lord Jesus as Savior, but heading for the Lake of Fire. Only the blood of Jesus can cleanse from sin.
As to 22:12, Yes rewards are given to believers for works. Believers have a judgment of works for rewards or loss of rewards. At the Judgment Seat of Christ salvation is not an issue. If you aren't saved, you can expect a date at the Great White Throne Judgment, instead of at the Bema Judgment Seat of Christ.
Now Dear nl,
why would anyone want to miss out on the free gift of eternal life?
The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Why miss out for failing to trust the Crucified with your eternal destiny?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ & you shall be saved.
Alligator, I fight not with you. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities & powers using the Word of God as the sword, not to cut up a human being, but the enemy.
What is awful if one realizes that one is wrestling vs flesh & blood,
but that flesh-and-blood is the guy looking back in the mirror.
You know, I am glad you are not God, thank you Jesus, and neither am I or any Humankind
Thank you for the Mercy Father and so Mercy I give, thank you again Jesus, and thank you Father to teach me how to walk by Faith in the finished work of Son
Bless you, love you the same as God loves me through Son
I see no other way to love back, that to first see the depth, height. length of God's love, given to us by Son, the Christ
Do you agree with that?
How deep is Gods Love?
[h=3]Matthew 28:19-20[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[SUP]20[/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen
- By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible
By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also
God does trhat and you just called it, so be it For:
Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand
Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that ye be notjudged.
I do not even judge myself, God has done that and I thank God for this, I die daily, you?
Re: Dear Believer, You Have Been Delivered from future Wrath
Yes, so by the death of Christ to the flesh nature, reckon self dead to self with Christ at his death and come alive in the resurrected Christ, where the Old Man is crucified, mine, self-righteousness that is
[h=3]Philippians 3:3[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
[h=3]Philippians 3:10[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
[h=3]Philippians 3:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Yes, so by the death of Christ to the flesh nature, reckon self dead to self with Christ at his death and come alive in the resurrected Christ, where the Old Man is crucified, mine, self-righteousness that is
[h=3]Philippians 3:3[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
[h=3]Philippians 3:10[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
[h=3]Philippians 3:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Re: R U Too Proud to Let the Lord Help You?
There is taking this amazing grace of God for granted, and for any that do: and not be thankful, well, that is ultimately between God and you and me and all personally
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
so do not take it for granted and do not think you are somebody, sinde one thinks they obey or have to in order to be saved.
[h=3]2 Corinthians 13[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time; and being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all other, that, if I come again, I will not spare: [SUP]3 [/SUP]since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? [SUP]6 [/SUP]But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Greet one another with an holy kiss. [SUP]13 [/SUP]All the saints salute you.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
There is taking this amazing grace of God for granted, and for any that do: and not be thankful, well, that is ultimately between God and you and me and all personally
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
so do not take it for granted and do not think you are somebody, sinde one thinks they obey or have to in order to be saved.
[h=3]2 Corinthians 13[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time; and being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all other, that, if I come again, I will not spare: [SUP]3 [/SUP]since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? [SUP]6 [/SUP]But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Greet one another with an holy kiss. [SUP]13 [/SUP]All the saints salute you.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
Yes, so then how many will go to the death of self as Stephan did in Acts. tribulation coming up on the agenda
I know many will say well I won't be here, I am pre trib
Yet what if you find you here, will you go to the death without the mark of the beast
God knows who will and who will not, maybe best to start preparing today and die daily as Paul said he does, did
Thank you Kennethcadwell
And could that be on the fact as to whether one does believe or not? God knows who do, do you think? And so will God forsake us that do believe? Did he forsake his own Son? Did it seem as if though he did at the cross? So when we suffer for Christ, for Father through Christ, are we being punished by God?
God forbid
Re: Does "Chosen from the Beginning" Effect Security?
Stand therefore stand,
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Stand therefore stand,
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Re: Given Before Times Eternal. Does 2 Timothy 1 Imply Eternal Security?
Just ask God to separate you, (carnal nature flesh) and God's Spirit in you given you called the hidden man of the heart, where one serves God in truth, and is reckoned as dead to his carnal nature, born again ion Spirit and truth
For the flesh dead Spirit of mankind is what is at battle against God to this very day
Just ask God to separate you, (carnal nature flesh) and God's Spirit in you given you called the hidden man of the heart, where one serves God in truth, and is reckoned as dead to his carnal nature, born again ion Spirit and truth
For the flesh dead Spirit of mankind is what is at battle against God to this very day