Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[AgeofKnowledge]

It's a nutty comment on many levels. Freemasonry always was a non-RCC affair that the RCC strongly resisted and has banned their members from belonging to it since 1738 treating any RCC member that does as someone in "grave sin." They can't even receive communion.

The illuminati itself is a far cry from what the nut job conspiracy theorists assert. In reality, it was a Bavarian Enlightenment-era association founded on May 1, 1776. The society's goals were to oppose superstition, prejudice, religious influence over public life and abuses of state power, and to support women's education and gender equality.

It was modeled on the freemasons; however, and many Illuminati chapters drew membership from existing Masonic lodges. The government shut it down in 1785. The rest is fiction.

There's no historical information to base that on.

 

[Deadtosin]

I read the founder of the illuminati was trained by the Jesuits for the purpose of owning both sides of the battle.

 

[Deadtosin]

A famous mason Manly P. Hall stated the following,

"When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly handle energy."

(Manly P. Hall, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, p. 124

 

[Deadtosin]

11, 13 and 33 - The Illuminati / Freemason Signature

and here, though I haven't gone through NEARLY everything that is on here. There is a LOT of stuff, regarding... well just about everything ya'll are talking about.

 

[Jackson123]

The Illuminati The Vatican And The Catholic Church Part 3 - YouTube

 

[ThomistColin]

Yep, let's trust youtube.

 

[MidniteWelder]

Yep, let's trust youtube.

well it's the best tube available at this time.
Would you prefer an innertube?

 

[Jackson123]

Yep, let's trust youtube.

Brother Thomist,
Let say we don't believe youtube, How about this teaching, don't you think this teaching not inline with the teaching of Illuminati, which is the teaching of the devil?

www.fatimacrusader.com/cr37/cr3
[h=3]The Ultimate Tragedy[/h]Hell is the most tragic dogma of our Catholic faith. If not for Jesus, who must have spoken about hell at least 15 times, I don't think we would believe such a reality as an eternal fire. To burn in hell a thousand years that will pass, to burn in hell a million years that would pass. But souls in hell, they will remain and remain and remain, billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions of years. And little Lucia said it will not have yet begun. And it will hardly have begun ...
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[h=3]Wonderful Promises[/h]If you believe in hell my friend, if you believe in hell, you will not pass a second day without reciting the Holy Rosary. If you believe in hell, you will pass not a single day without wearing your Brown Scapular, and in the morning when you wake up you will say, "Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, please save me today from deliberate sin, from mortal sin, from purgatory and from hell", and when you go to bed, before you jump in your bed you will kiss again the scapular and you will say, "Our Lady of Mt. Carmel preserve me from purgatory, from hell, mortal sins and venial sins."7pg24.asp

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Freemasonry started off fairly benign. But eventually occultism was brought into the lodges and the various grades workers went through in learning their trades was replaced by degrees of advancement in esoteric knowledge. Now it's just a bizarre cult that's pluralistically integrated elements of the occult, paganism, and world religions.

But that doesn't mean a defunct Bavarian Illuminati controls the world through freemasonry... lolol. I saw some gangster rappers that claim they are the illuminati. I suppose that's where this is all coming from: MTV.

There's enough problematic elitist organizations as it is (e.g. CFR, Bilderberg, UN, WTO, etc...) that one doesn't need to go fantasizing.

A famous mason Manly P. Hall stated the following,

"When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly handle energy."

(Manly P. Hall, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, p. 124

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

That would be Adam Weishaupt (1748-1830) and yes he was trained by the Jesuits and was a professor of Law at the University of Ingolstadt in Germany.

The Jesuits; however, didn't have anything to do with his organization which promoted deism not Catholicism. Adam was rebelling against the church like many of his peers for enlightenment ideals and thinking which of course the monarchy at the time was not keen on for obvious reasons.

Ultimately, he was forced to resign his professorship and flee Bavaria for his views while his Illuminati was banned and its members dispersed. It left behind no enduring traces of an influence, not even on its own members who went on in quite different directions.

I read the founder of the illuminati was trained by the Jesuits for the purpose of owning both sides of the battle.

 

[ThomistColin]

Freemasonry started off fairly benign. But eventually occultism was brought into the lodges and the various grades workers went through in learning their trades was replaced by degrees of advancement in esoteric knowledge. Now it's just a bizarre cult that's pluralistically integrated elements of the occult, paganism, and world religions.

But that doesn't mean a defunct Bavarian Illuminati controls the world through freemasonry... lolol. I saw some gangster rappers that claim they are the illuminati. I suppose that's where this is all coming from: MTV.

There's enough problematic elitist organizations as it is (e.g. CFR, Bilderberg, UN, WTO, etc...) that one doesn't need to go fantasizing.

CFR? The Community of Franciscan Friars of Renewal?

 

[Jackson123]

CFR? The Community of Franciscan Friars of Renewal?

[h=3]About CFR - Council on Foreign Relations[/h]www.cfr.org/about/

 

[Deadtosin]

Yep, let's trust youtube.

You can watch anything on youtube. Don't trust sharkweek? Discovery channel? We can watch the pope on youtube. Trust him?

 

[Deadtosin]

That would be Adam Weishaupt (1748-1830) and yes he was trained by the Jesuits and was a professor of Law at the University of Ingolstadt in Germany.

The Jesuits; however, didn't have anything to do with his organization which promoted deism not Catholicism. Adam was rebelling against the church like many of his peers for enlightenment ideals and thinking which of course the monarchy at the time was not keen on for obvious reasons.

Ultimately, he was forced to resign his professorship and flee Bavaria for his views while his Illuminati was banned and its members dispersed. It left behind no enduring traces of an influence, not even on its own members who went on in quite different directions.

Yes I'm familiar with all that. I disagree with the "no traces of influence." Lucifer was their influence and his influence is in masonry. How did it get there?

 

[Deadtosin]

Freemasonry started off fairly benign. But eventually occultism was brought into the lodges and the various grades workers went through in learning their trades was replaced by degrees of advancement in esoteric knowledge. Now it's just a bizarre cult that's pluralistically integrated elements of the occult, paganism, and world religions.

But that doesn't mean a defunct Bavarian Illuminati controls the world through freemasonry... lolol. I saw some gangster rappers that claim they are the illuminati. I suppose that's where this is all coming from: MTV.

There's enough problematic elitist organizations as it is (e.g. CFR, Bilderberg, UN, WTO, etc...) that one doesn't need to go fantasizing.

okay, that's fair enough. However, with nothing but shadowy enemies it's hard to see clear pictures. With that being said I would rather assume there are 5 men waiting to ambush me in the dark and find 4 rather than think there is 4 and find 5.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Are you confusing the Bavarian Illuminati with freemasonry, asserting that the Bavarian Illuminati (which was deist and not occultist) inserted occultism into freemasonry, something else?

They are two different organizations. The Bavarian Illuminati is long gone. Freemasonry is not and though realized a serious decline in membership in the 20th century; is still present.

For the record, the freemason standard on freemasonry is the 'Encyclopedia of Masonry' by Mackey; however, the standard on qualifying freemasonry is, of course, the Bible.

As Albert Pike, in Morals and Dogma, wrote "Masonry propagates no creed except its own most simple sublime one; that universal religion, taught by nature and reason."

Masonry rejects the doctrine of a God-breathed, inerrant Bible and totally rejects the crucial doctrine of the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ and the doctrine of salvation by faith in the vicarious atonement of Christ's shed blood on the cross.

That's BEFORE we get into the occultism and false epistemologies they inserted for, as you stated, Masonry is anti-Christian in its teachings.

I haven't personally conducted a study into the history of the whats, whos, hows, and when's of freemasonry's deterioration from a Middle Age trade association concerned with logic, grammar, rhetoric, arithmetic, geometry, music and astronomy into an anti-Christian esoteric one but every book on religious history in my library says that it did occur.

Yes I'm familiar with all that. I disagree with the "no traces of influence." Lucifer was their influence and his influence is in masonry. How did it get there?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire

Lol j/k kind of...

okay, that's fair enough. However, with nothing but shadowy enemies it's hard to see clear pictures. With that being said I would rather assume there are 5 men waiting to ambush me in the dark and find 4 rather than think there is 4 and find 5.

 

[Deadtosin]

Are you confusing the Bavarian Illuminati with freemasonry, asserting that the Bavarian Illuminati (which was deist and not occultist) inserted occultism into freemasonry, something else?

They are two different organizations. The Bavarian Illuminati is long gone. Freemasonry is not and though realized a serious decline in membership in the 20th century; is still present.

For the record, the freemason standard on freemasonry is the 'Encyclopedia of Masonry' by Mackey; however, the standard on qualifying freemasonry is, of course, the Bible.

As Albert Pike, in Morals and Dogma, wrote "Masonry propagates no creed except its own most simple sublime one; that universal religion, taught by nature and reason."

Masonry rejects the doctrine of a God-breathed, inerrant Bible and totally rejects the crucial doctrine of the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ and the doctrine of salvation by faith in the vicarious atonement of Christ's shed blood on the cross.

That's BEFORE we get into the occultism and false epistemologies they inserted for, as you stated, Masonry is anti-Christian in its teachings.

I haven't personally conducted a study into the history of the whats, whos, hows, and when's of freemasonry's deterioration from a Middle Age trade association concerned with logic, grammar, rhetoric, arithmetic, geometry, music and astronomy into an anti-Christian esoteric one but every book on religious history in my library says that it did occur.

I know what the world says about the free masons brother. I have reasons to believe it takes people in steps. Come with your bible. The deeper you go the greater the transformation. All the way to Lucifer.

[video=youtube;vBFuEo0Jzd8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBFuEo0Jzd8[/video]

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Great video. It's not often easy to get them to admit that. I'm bringing my Bible and I agree with you that progression is in their literature and if they go far enough results in the lost deceived condition of what we just saw in the video.

However, that doesn't mean Freemasons rule the world though. Just saying.

I know what the world says about the free masons brother. I have reasons to believe it takes people in steps. Come with your bible. The deeper you go the greater the transformation. All the way to Lucifer.

 

[Deadtosin]

Great video. It's not often easy to get them to admit that. I'm bringing my Bible and I agree with you that progression is in their literature and if they go far enough results in the lost deceived condition of what we just saw in the video.

However, that doesn't mean Freemasons rule the world though. Just saying.

I wouldn't ever try to pin point any particular organization as "the head" of satan's ploy. I can definitely say they are conspirators and hold allegiance. At least the higher ups. It's not just them obviously there are lots of players. All for the same agenda. The agenda belongs to satan.