It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security
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well I don't see it that way. I see a branch that no longer produces fruit and is cast into the fire. Just like a person who is saved and begins producing fruit and then the fruit withers and is no longer productive and gets chopped off the vine and burned in the fire. I have done this with my own fruit trees, my apple tree had a branch gave some apples but some reason it withered and gave no more apples so I chopped it of and burned it. I did however use to smoke a pork shoulder and it was good.
Clear from the Bible. OK, quote me a verse where "lose salvation" occurs (an oxymoron).
You need to prove your point, and make sure your verse says salvation or eternal life. No making things up like "push the Lord aside in your soul" -- I don't recall reading that.
And explain to me how a child of God stops being a child of God -- also how you can stop being the child of your human parents.
Set aside the "what about this" and "what about that" and focus on the scripture on topic, stuff like:
I give them eternal life and they shall never perish.
How bout giving us a verse that says:
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and He will give you a shot at being saved; but you'd better mind your p's and q's.
or I give them indefinite life and they might perish.
You need to prove your point, and make sure your verse says salvation or eternal life. No making things up like "push the Lord aside in your soul" -- I don't recall reading that.
And explain to me how a child of God stops being a child of God -- also how you can stop being the child of your human parents.
Set aside the "what about this" and "what about that" and focus on the scripture on topic, stuff like:
I give them eternal life and they shall never perish.
How bout giving us a verse that says:
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and He will give you a shot at being saved; but you'd better mind your p's and q's.
or I give them indefinite life and they might perish.
I don't see any contradiction at all. It's just hard to word things in a way that cannot be attacked. If the passage reads
[h=3]John 10:27-29[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
He is stating quite clearly that they shall never perish because they are His sheep and they know and follow Him.
The security is that He will hold them up, He will remember their sin no more, He has washed their robes white and NOTHING on the planet can get between Him and His sheep (that follow Him)
it isn't contradictory.
[h=3]John 10:27-29[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
He is stating quite clearly that they shall never perish because they are His sheep and they know and follow Him.
The security is that He will hold them up, He will remember their sin no more, He has washed their robes white and NOTHING on the planet can get between Him and His sheep (that follow Him)
it isn't contradictory.
The silly argument will go on for as long as you are both willing to butt heads. You're not going to convince him, he's not going to convince you, but you're both going to groundhog-day this thing for how long? I was about to drag out the dead-horse jpg. Make your case for those who are reading along, then yield the floor and let the blowhards wear themselves out. As if they ever will, eh?
I'm with Alligator on the " You're attacking other posters that do not share your opinion and telling them they do not trust Jesus". With your ruler you're going to be measured, and, uhm, you're going to fall a little short on this one Atwood. I mean, I understand it, I was the same way when I came on, but I learned it was wrong. In the end we're all going to stand before the Throne of God having a good laugh about such foolishness. So as Viper said, in the end let's remember we're still on the same team.
And bonus points to anyone who can place that quote!
I'm with Alligator on the " You're attacking other posters that do not share your opinion and telling them they do not trust Jesus". With your ruler you're going to be measured, and, uhm, you're going to fall a little short on this one Atwood. I mean, I understand it, I was the same way when I came on, but I learned it was wrong. In the end we're all going to stand before the Throne of God having a good laugh about such foolishness. So as Viper said, in the end let's remember we're still on the same team.
And bonus points to anyone who can place that quote!