Also, Mary is the only person in the whole of the Scriptures that an angel in the fullness of its presence doesn't say, "be not afraid." That to me is also extremely telling to who this created mother was to God.
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Wrong again, they called him 'Führer,' not 'Fuhrer.' The germans didn't want another emperor, they got rid of the last one in 1918, only 15 years before Hitler came to power. They saw him as their Redeemer, not their emperor. So apparently the 'hail' is used to honour false gods, like (the catholic) Mary and Hitler, not to honour royalty.
And talking about the ancient romans, well, you shouldn't always take them that seriously.
Oh sorry I didn't use the Germanic u. What a horrible liar I am!Wrong again, they called him 'Führer,' not 'Fuhrer.' The germans didn't want another emperor, they got rid of the last one in 1918, only 15 years before Hitler came to power. They saw him as their Redeemer, not their emperor. So apparently the 'hail' is used to honour false gods, like (the catholic) Mary and Hitler, not to honour royalty.
And talking about the ancient romans, well, you shouldn't always take them that seriously.
Also, the Nazis did recognize him as the emperor of third Reich.
Also, the angel said Hail, so take it up with Gabriel.
It's a deep shame anyone else is even focused on in the same breath as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. No saint, no angel, no NONE OF CREATION belongs there.
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Hitler was never crowned, your lack of historical knowledge baffles me.
I don't take anything up with angels, I'm not a catholic (lol).
And according to the greek NT Gabriel said: 'xαῖρε,' not 'hail,'
[h=1]Accused Criminal becomes first Jesuit Pope – Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, tainted with Dirty War allegations, new Pontiff of Rome[/h] Posted on March 13, 2013
A suspected criminal has been rapidly elected as the new Pontiff of the Church of Rome in a record two day conclave, being the first Jesuit in history to head the papacy.
Former Cardinal and Pope-elect “Francis I”, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, is accused of helping kidnap opponents of Argentina’s military junta during the 1970′s “Dirty War”, and of baby trafficking, by lawyers and members of the Plaza de Mayo human rights group. (Los Angeles Times, April 17, 2005, “Argentine Cardinal Named in Kidnapping Lawsuit”, Argentine Cardinal Named in Kidnap Lawsuit - Los Angeles Times
Besides his personal alleged criminality, Bergoglio – as a Jesuit – represents the group most responsible for the centuries-old Crimes against Humanity and Genocide for which the Jesuit Superior General was found guilty on February 25, along with Joseph Ratzinger and other Vatican officials.
The Jesuit Order established the murderous Indian residential school system in North America during the mid 19th century, and has led the destruction and killing of millions of non-Catholics around the world since its inception in the mid 16th century.
Under a secret oath administered to every member, the Jesuits are authorized and encouraged to kill, torture or overthrow any opponent of the Vatican and the Pope. (The Jesuit, Illuminati, Knights of Columbus and Masonic Oaths)
These facts, the Argentine allegations, and his complicity in the global conspiracy against children enunciated in the canon law Crimen Sollicitationas, makes the new Pope particularly liable for immediate arrest and sentencing under international law and the Common Law Court verdict of February 25, 2013.
The ITCCS understands that Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s election was a quick and uncontested arrangement, as evident in its rapidity: in less than two days, a record for papal elections.
Bergoglio’s election makes the guilt of the Vatican and its highest officials for Crimes against Humanity all that more severe. The new Pope, as the head fiduciary officer of the Vatican, Inc., assumes that guilt and liability.
Bergoglio is therefore subject to immediate arrest under the terms of the Common Law Court ORDER of March 5, 2013, issued by the International Common Law Court of Justice under the authority of jus gentium, the Law of Nations, and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.
Accordingly, an application has been made by our Tribunal to these courts for an International Citizens Arrest Warrant, to be issued against the new Roman Pontiff, Jorge Mario Bergoglio – Pope Francis I, for Crimes against Humanity and involvement in a global criminal conspiracy based in Rome.
The ITCCS will soon be issuing more background evidence on the genocidal purpose and actions of the Jesuit Order in relation to the ongoing crimes we have documented; and of the evidence of Bergoglio’s suspected crimes in Argentina.
Issued 13 March, 2013
ITCCS Central, Brussels
Accused Criminal becomes first Jesuit Pope – Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, tainted with Dirty War allegations, new Pontiff of Rome | Welcome to ITCCS.ORG and The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State
Breaking News and Media Advisory: Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Accused Criminal becomes first Jesuit Pope – Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, tainted with Dirty War allegations, new Pontiff of Rome
A Statement of the ITCCS Central Office – Brussels
March 13, 2013A suspected criminal has been rapidly elected as the new Pontiff of the Church of Rome in a record two day conclave, being the first Jesuit in history to head the papacy.
Former Cardinal and Pope-elect “Francis I”, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, is accused of helping kidnap opponents of Argentina’s military junta during the 1970′s “Dirty War”, and of baby trafficking, by lawyers and members of the Plaza de Mayo human rights group. (Los Angeles Times, April 17, 2005, “Argentine Cardinal Named in Kidnapping Lawsuit”, Argentine Cardinal Named in Kidnap Lawsuit - Los Angeles Times
Besides his personal alleged criminality, Bergoglio – as a Jesuit – represents the group most responsible for the centuries-old Crimes against Humanity and Genocide for which the Jesuit Superior General was found guilty on February 25, along with Joseph Ratzinger and other Vatican officials.
The Jesuit Order established the murderous Indian residential school system in North America during the mid 19th century, and has led the destruction and killing of millions of non-Catholics around the world since its inception in the mid 16th century.
Under a secret oath administered to every member, the Jesuits are authorized and encouraged to kill, torture or overthrow any opponent of the Vatican and the Pope. (The Jesuit, Illuminati, Knights of Columbus and Masonic Oaths)
These facts, the Argentine allegations, and his complicity in the global conspiracy against children enunciated in the canon law Crimen Sollicitationas, makes the new Pope particularly liable for immediate arrest and sentencing under international law and the Common Law Court verdict of February 25, 2013.
The ITCCS understands that Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s election was a quick and uncontested arrangement, as evident in its rapidity: in less than two days, a record for papal elections.
Bergoglio’s election makes the guilt of the Vatican and its highest officials for Crimes against Humanity all that more severe. The new Pope, as the head fiduciary officer of the Vatican, Inc., assumes that guilt and liability.
Bergoglio is therefore subject to immediate arrest under the terms of the Common Law Court ORDER of March 5, 2013, issued by the International Common Law Court of Justice under the authority of jus gentium, the Law of Nations, and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.
Accordingly, an application has been made by our Tribunal to these courts for an International Citizens Arrest Warrant, to be issued against the new Roman Pontiff, Jorge Mario Bergoglio – Pope Francis I, for Crimes against Humanity and involvement in a global criminal conspiracy based in Rome.
The ITCCS will soon be issuing more background evidence on the genocidal purpose and actions of the Jesuit Order in relation to the ongoing crimes we have documented; and of the evidence of Bergoglio’s suspected crimes in Argentina.
Issued 13 March, 2013
ITCCS Central, Brussels
Accused Criminal becomes first Jesuit Pope – Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, tainted with Dirty War allegations, new Pontiff of Rome | Welcome to ITCCS.ORG and The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State
Your misunderstanding of the meaning of Third Reich is baffling to me, since that was taught in sixth grade when I grew up.
And you'll see that in most, if not all translations of the Greek used is Hail. I don't doubt that hail is an anglicized translation. But the full statement is "Hail (or rejoice according to you), full of grace," not the be not afraid that we see every time an angel talks to a human in it full form.
In the end, the German argument is semantics, I was trying to show how the word hail (or in German, heil, which was originally used when seeing the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire) is used to denote a person of royalty.
Oh yeah let's trust a conspiracy theorist website that discusses the Bilderburgers and the Illuminati/Mason connection (even though the two organizations despised each other.)
[SIZE=+1]The Freemasons are a society that exists even today, promoting the banner of equality and service. However, interviews with current and former Masons of the 32 and 33 degrees displayed huge discrepancies in the organization. The following information comes from abstracts of the book "The Invisible Rung of Government," by an anonymous author, published in "Conspiracy Nation."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1] When current members of the Freemasons were interviewed, they did not express any knowledge of any higher religious aims of the Order. They were infinitely loyal to the organization and believed undoubtedly that it was an international secret fraternity based on good works. However, former members of the Masons explained that the organization was anti-Christ and Luciferically inspired, especially in its higher levels. This means that either current members would not reveal any of their knowledge because of binding oaths of secrecy, or that they were unaware of the Masons' evil nature because they had not yet reached its highest levels. For the book secret Masonic materials and writings were gathered from widows of deceased Masons. These materials repeatedly referenced the Illuminati and the Knights Templar, confirming that Freemasonry is a continuation of the Illuminati. (4)[/SIZE]
how about from the University of North Carolina then?
Introduction
[SIZE=+1] When current members of the Freemasons were interviewed, they did not express any knowledge of any higher religious aims of the Order. They were infinitely loyal to the organization and believed undoubtedly that it was an international secret fraternity based on good works. However, former members of the Masons explained that the organization was anti-Christ and Luciferically inspired, especially in its higher levels. This means that either current members would not reveal any of their knowledge because of binding oaths of secrecy, or that they were unaware of the Masons' evil nature because they had not yet reached its highest levels. For the book secret Masonic materials and writings were gathered from widows of deceased Masons. These materials repeatedly referenced the Illuminati and the Knights Templar, confirming that Freemasonry is a continuation of the Illuminati. (4)[/SIZE]
how about from the University of North Carolina then?
Introduction
how about USA today? is that better?
– USATODAY.com
VATICAN CITY – A campaign to hold the pope responsible for "crimes against humanity" is not a publicity stunt, sex abuse victims say, even as experts doubt it will have much success at the International Criminal Court.
– USATODAY.com
VATICAN CITY – A campaign to hold the pope responsible for "crimes against humanity" is not a publicity stunt, sex abuse victims say, even as experts doubt it will have much success at the International Criminal Court.
Here's the problem. The Free Masons predate the Illuminati. The Illuminati was destroyed and dismantled in the 1700s by the Vatican through the French and Belgian royalty. The Illuminati planned on placing an explosive device in the Sistine Chapel, killing the College of Cardinals during the election of the Pope. In order to gain access and political influence, the Illuminati sought aid from the French and Belgian Free Masons who had fled to Germany. The Free Masons, fearing a rerise of the Inquisition against them, informed the Vatican of the plan. The Vatican reached out to the French King and Belgian Prince, who were devout Catholics. The two monarchs began an assassination campaign of Illuminati members, and caught a break, rounding up and executing the leaders and their supporters at a gathering of the secret atheistic society.
That's the last time in history the Illuminati has ever been heard of. If they have returned, look at men like Carl Sagan or Richard Dawkins. They are more likely to be Illuminati than anyone else, due to their militaristic atheism, which was the founding idea of the Illuminati.
There is evidence that the Free Masons are the inheritors of the Knights Templar. But the Catholic church declared the Knights Templars enemies of Christianity and sought their destruction, which they seemed to achieve, with the aid of the Orthodox churches.p. It's why Friday the Thirteenth is "unlucky". The Pope excommunicated and began the eradication of the Knights Templars on Friday the Thirteenth.
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Deadtosin, I've studied the history. Seriously, there are classes on this part of Medieval to Enlightenment history. I learned this stuff in college in a course of Church History from 1300 to 1800.
The Illuminati gained their name because they were based around late medieval and reformation alchemists who believed that science and nature were all there was or is. They sought to Illuminate the world with the truth that no god existed.
Now, do I believe Satan was influential in founding this group? Yes, just as I believe he was influential in.founding Islam and Marxism.
Now, do I believe Satan was influential in founding this group? Yes, just as I believe he was influential in.founding Islam and Marxism.
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Yeah, your historical knowledge is sixth grade level alright and it shows.
So where did I mention the word 'rejoice?' That IS the literal meaning of the greek 'xαῖρε' ofcourse, but the word 'hail' means something completely different, namely 'be well.' The german word 'heil' basically has the same meaning, and even sounds like 'hail;' there's an ethymological connection there. However, there's no connection between 'xαῖρε' and (der Hitlergruß) 'heil,' not even if you decide to translate the first word with 'hail.'
Albert Pike (December 29, 1809 – April 2, 1891) was an American attorney, Confederate officer, writer, and Freemason.
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Luciferian?
“Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!”- Albert pike (morals and dogma)
Albert Pike - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Luciferian?
“Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!”- Albert pike (morals and dogma)
O.k. let me make this simple. The Roman use of Hail was reserved for Caesar and those recognized as Caesar's envoys, the same with purple clothing.Yeah, your historical knowledge is sixth grade level alright and it shows.
So where did I mention the word 'rejoice?' That IS the literal meaning of the greek 'xαῖρε' ofcourse, but the word 'hail' means something completely different, namely 'be well.' The german word 'heil' basically has the same meaning, and even sounds like 'hail;' there's an ethymological connection there. However, there's no connection between 'xαῖρε' and the 'heil,' not even if you decide to translate the first word with 'hail.'
Also, Nazism taught that there were to be Three Reich's. The First was Rome under Caesar.. The Second was the Holy Roman Empire. The Third was the Nazis, and they taught it would be an eternal empire. It was believed by the SS, the Schutz Staffel, that Hitler was destined to bring about this empire. It's why Nazi law enforced that all SS, and eventually all high ranking officers of the Wehrmacht made oaths of allegiance to Hitler directly and denounce any religious affiliation. They were also required to salute and exclaim, "Heil Hitler", an homage to the Hail Caesar.
Now, the majority of translations and all of the ones I've read from KJV, NIV, NRSV, NAB, NKJV, NJB, Sainte Bible (French), and Doeuy-Rheims have all translated the phrase to "Hail, full of grace." Take it up with those translators.