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Bother, bother, bother. And here is me thinking that God didn't need to justify his existence. Ah well, back to the drawing board.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth Genesis 1:1. Who said so? Well of course God did. After all he should know as he did the creating and there was no one there (except Jesus) to disagree with him and so far he hasn't.
Gosh, things get simple when you read the bible doesn't it.
K
Look man , Cycel, Dose, and this new guy Precepi or something. They are kicking against the goads. They know the truth more than most Christians do. They just cannot accept a god other than them self. The same as Satan as he is so deceived that he thinks he can actually win and defeat God. They are as their father, I meant try preaching the gospel to Satan. But, I pray that one day before it's too late that God would open their heart that they may see the light.
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He was a Nobel Prize Laureate for literature, philosopher, and mathematician who died in his sin as an atheist. Read: Bertrand Russell (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
His only daughter was raised as an atheistic humanist and educated at her parent's "Beacon's Hill" school which taught atheism and humanism. She loved her father but came to know God and rejected her father's false atheistic view of the world which she had been nurtured from at home and at school from her earliest memories and converted to Christianity.
Her own book is an honest look at the life of Bertrand Russell who was an immoral man (despite his humanist bent) who did not believe in nor practice monogamy. Though married four times, he engaged in adulterous relationships whenever it suited him stating "Outside human desire there is no moral standard” after inspiration from the very wicked Aleister Crowley, a friend of his.
He only liked the adultery when he was the one doing it though because when one of his wives took to his views and became pregnant by another man, Russell was “hurt and angered and wounded in his family pride.” He was protective of his daughter from the advances of men but cared little for the daughters of others.
With a heart devoid of God; the vacuum was replaced with frustration, anger, and atheistic attempts to destroy Christianity in the hearts of others.
Russell’s arguments against God's existence have been thoroughly rebutted by Christian scholars.
His only daughter was raised as an atheistic humanist and educated at her parent's "Beacon's Hill" school which taught atheism and humanism. She loved her father but came to know God and rejected her father's false atheistic view of the world which she had been nurtured from at home and at school from her earliest memories and converted to Christianity.
Her own book is an honest look at the life of Bertrand Russell who was an immoral man (despite his humanist bent) who did not believe in nor practice monogamy. Though married four times, he engaged in adulterous relationships whenever it suited him stating "Outside human desire there is no moral standard” after inspiration from the very wicked Aleister Crowley, a friend of his.
He only liked the adultery when he was the one doing it though because when one of his wives took to his views and became pregnant by another man, Russell was “hurt and angered and wounded in his family pride.” He was protective of his daughter from the advances of men but cared little for the daughters of others.
With a heart devoid of God; the vacuum was replaced with frustration, anger, and atheistic attempts to destroy Christianity in the hearts of others.
Russell’s arguments against God's existence have been thoroughly rebutted by Christian scholars.
In this short video clip Russel promotes two ideas that he believes are paramount in life. Only two minutes in length.
Bertrand Russell's Message to the Future - YouTube
Bertrand Russell's Message to the Future - YouTube
Bertrand Russell's message for the future promotes (facts and truth) along with (love and tolerance).
This message reminds me of the Apostle Paul's message for the future as found in Ephesians 4:15: "...speaking the truth with love...".
Exhortations to truth and love are important for promoting a better future. Thanks, Cycel.
This message reminds me of the Apostle Paul's message for the future as found in Ephesians 4:15: "...speaking the truth with love...".
Exhortations to truth and love are important for promoting a better future. Thanks, Cycel.
Observation is that there is more than one type of atheist and more than one motive for forming and sustaining an atheistic position. These comments are made in general and are not intended to apply to particular persons or situations.
Following God can be inconvenient. Giving time, giving money, loving enemies, telling the truth, self-denial, following the ten commandments can all be inconvenient but they can appear necessary when following God rather than a value-set that excludes God. Genuine faith will be expressed in genuine actions and those actions can be inconvenient.
On these forums, you can find professing Christians arguing about law, sabbath and other types of duties and obligations. I won't address particulars here but my general principle has been: "God loves a cheerful giver" (2 Corinthians 9:7). Ultimately, any obedience or service to God ought to be given willingly, cheerfully and without compulsion. Ultimately, obedience and service are an expression of some type of faith.
"I don't know how" or "I don't believe that" have been used by some as excuses to avoid responsibility and action. When asked to take action, some have claimed they don't understand the language in which the request had been made. When asked to take action or when asked to provide an answer that someone doesn't want to give, many different types of excuses and evasions have been employed. "I don't know" has been spoken by people who do know better.
Belief and unbelief both express themselves in resulting behaviors. Some behaviors are more convenient or inconvenient than others. It seems possible that self-willed behaviors can also drive positions of belief and unbelief according to what convenience requires.
Some are motivated by principle and some by expediency at times. These are general comments. No particular application is intended. God knows. Human hearts and motives are complicated and difficult to understand.
Following God can be inconvenient. Giving time, giving money, loving enemies, telling the truth, self-denial, following the ten commandments can all be inconvenient but they can appear necessary when following God rather than a value-set that excludes God. Genuine faith will be expressed in genuine actions and those actions can be inconvenient.
On these forums, you can find professing Christians arguing about law, sabbath and other types of duties and obligations. I won't address particulars here but my general principle has been: "God loves a cheerful giver" (2 Corinthians 9:7). Ultimately, any obedience or service to God ought to be given willingly, cheerfully and without compulsion. Ultimately, obedience and service are an expression of some type of faith.
"I don't know how" or "I don't believe that" have been used by some as excuses to avoid responsibility and action. When asked to take action, some have claimed they don't understand the language in which the request had been made. When asked to take action or when asked to provide an answer that someone doesn't want to give, many different types of excuses and evasions have been employed. "I don't know" has been spoken by people who do know better.
Belief and unbelief both express themselves in resulting behaviors. Some behaviors are more convenient or inconvenient than others. It seems possible that self-willed behaviors can also drive positions of belief and unbelief according to what convenience requires.
Some are motivated by principle and some by expediency at times. These are general comments. No particular application is intended. God knows. Human hearts and motives are complicated and difficult to understand.
Thank you, Cycel, and that I like to say, fact, something no matter what created all the world and universe, and that had to be intelligent, beyond ours, period that is fact
So in considering Facts, that is no. 1
No. to love each other and to get along and not harm one another is also what the whole entire word actually teaches is
That God the creator of all, just love you, and to have those two facts and free to choose and love , wow!
God is elated, over us treating each other with compassion and care
Just what I see, as hatred tries to take hold, using the word, as the excuse to hate, when God does not hate at all. Angered yes, over what?
People misusing their free gift to choose, and take others against their free will.
was that not the big, I am flooding the world in Genesis, God angry at mankind, why?
What was mankind doing to mankind? Not communicating to help one another, selfish to self and those they liked, and war came and others defenseless to these men of evil.
I see you have chosen to do what is right in spite of mankind's religion to please God
Personally for you to love others in spite of others, tells me you have God's love, whether you admit to it or not, I just see what I see, in the care that comes out in your posts, thank you.
So in considering Facts, that is no. 1
No. to love each other and to get along and not harm one another is also what the whole entire word actually teaches is
That God the creator of all, just love you, and to have those two facts and free to choose and love , wow!
God is elated, over us treating each other with compassion and care
Just what I see, as hatred tries to take hold, using the word, as the excuse to hate, when God does not hate at all. Angered yes, over what?
People misusing their free gift to choose, and take others against their free will.
was that not the big, I am flooding the world in Genesis, God angry at mankind, why?
What was mankind doing to mankind? Not communicating to help one another, selfish to self and those they liked, and war came and others defenseless to these men of evil.
I see you have chosen to do what is right in spite of mankind's religion to please God
Personally for you to love others in spite of others, tells me you have God's love, whether you admit to it or not, I just see what I see, in the care that comes out in your posts, thank you.
And the fruit from that Kerry would be what? No matter what the tree is always identified by its fruit, and if it is not love,
[h=3]Luke 6:32[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP]“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.
Then one can say they love and they beleive and not believe, shown with hatred to others.
And one can say they do not believe and the love tha tpours out from them, tells me they do beleive
And no matter what it is God who does what? So we do what?
[h=3]Romans 14:4[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you (anyone) to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
We thus just trust God in all things to turn all things to his and our good, in Love as in 1 Cor.13:4-13
Just what I see Brother
[h=3]Luke 6:32[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP]“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.
Then one can say they love and they beleive and not believe, shown with hatred to others.
And one can say they do not believe and the love tha tpours out from them, tells me they do beleive
And no matter what it is God who does what? So we do what?
[h=3]Romans 14:4[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you (anyone) to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
We thus just trust God in all things to turn all things to his and our good, in Love as in 1 Cor.13:4-13
Just what I see Brother
[h=3]Luke 6:32[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP]“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.
[h=3]Romans 14:4[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
And I am sure God in time will separate this truth about whether we do love God's way in truth or not. God's way of love that God wants us to receive if can't do is:
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:4[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:5[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:6[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:7[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:8[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:9[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:10[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:11[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:12[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:13[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
When one finds this that lasts forever, and does this love, God is working in them and through them to just Love, and the power of that love, does the works of miracles to all one encounters in life here on earth. No longer knowing in part
[SUP]32 [/SUP]“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.
[h=3]Romans 14:4[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
And I am sure God in time will separate this truth about whether we do love God's way in truth or not. God's way of love that God wants us to receive if can't do is:
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:4[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:5[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:6[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:7[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:8[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:9[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:10[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:11[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:12[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:13[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
When one finds this that lasts forever, and does this love, God is working in them and through them to just Love, and the power of that love, does the works of miracles to all one encounters in life here on earth. No longer knowing in part
And Brother acting and feeling is not it.
I say this because feelings from acting thinking is deceiving:
Such as in the middle of winter, you have the heater on and are at 78% F, you open your front door and what happens, what do you feel?
All that 30% F cold weather just came in and you feel the cold right? It feels like the cold weather overtook you and you get cold, feelings right?
What in truth actually happened? The heat left the room after the cold attacking the cold. Heat, energy always travels from a warmer place to a colder one, that is just fact. As God does the same in the light overtakes the darkness.
So when my feelings tell me something, I need to check truth that is hidden by my feelings.
The battle is the emotions and the truth. Emotions do not know any right or wrong, they only predictably respond to thought(s) and one reacts whether the thought is truth or not
Ever been in a scary movie and been startled, ones emotions responded to that scene, and one knows it is only a movie right? Yet our emotions predictably respond to what one's mind is thinking at the time and all of a sudden and we respond to a lie, or the lie
So the battlefield is one's mind field, of one's thoughts that control us. And so now therefore is why God said would be wise for us to:
Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
From love (God's) to see through the eye gate of God, the creator of all. So me when I personally asked for this. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! beyond anyone's understanding in receiving the peace, that no man can explain
is absolutely freeing to all stress and worry,
It is the peace, love, beyond understanding, that no mankind can explain, It just is what it is. Praying we all see this type of love that transcends all unbderstanding
I say this because feelings from acting thinking is deceiving:
Such as in the middle of winter, you have the heater on and are at 78% F, you open your front door and what happens, what do you feel?
All that 30% F cold weather just came in and you feel the cold right? It feels like the cold weather overtook you and you get cold, feelings right?
What in truth actually happened? The heat left the room after the cold attacking the cold. Heat, energy always travels from a warmer place to a colder one, that is just fact. As God does the same in the light overtakes the darkness.
So when my feelings tell me something, I need to check truth that is hidden by my feelings.
The battle is the emotions and the truth. Emotions do not know any right or wrong, they only predictably respond to thought(s) and one reacts whether the thought is truth or not
Ever been in a scary movie and been startled, ones emotions responded to that scene, and one knows it is only a movie right? Yet our emotions predictably respond to what one's mind is thinking at the time and all of a sudden and we respond to a lie, or the lie
So the battlefield is one's mind field, of one's thoughts that control us. And so now therefore is why God said would be wise for us to:
Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
From love (God's) to see through the eye gate of God, the creator of all. So me when I personally asked for this. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! beyond anyone's understanding in receiving the peace, that no man can explain
is absolutely freeing to all stress and worry,
It is the peace, love, beyond understanding, that no mankind can explain, It just is what it is. Praying we all see this type of love that transcends all unbderstanding
A
I don't take my advice from immoral hypocrites who don't live what they teach and diverged from the facts long before their death. I don't take my advice from post modernists who assert atheistic relativism (in every area of life and thought) and then hypocritically preach "morals" in interviews that they aren't living while publishing that people are nothing more than an "accidental collocations of atoms" destined for extinction who must forgo joy to live in the unyielding despair of a life that is ultimately meaningless.
But even if he had lived what he asserts in that video, his atheistic false assertions against Christianity were soundly rebutted by Christian scholars in the 20th century.
And as a person whose spiritual component interacts with God and the supernatural regularly, it's plainly obvious to me that the man was deceived and his worldview totally false.
Follow Jesus Christ (whose actions in life Bertrand falsely stated were "morally defective, inhumane, vindictive, and evil") to eternal life or Bertrand Russell whose actions actually were morally defective, inhumane, vindictive, and evil to the second death which he certainly could write a book on now I imagine that would mirror that of the selfish rich man toward the end of Luke 16.
Of course, the atheistic Russell never informed us by what standard he saw Christ's actions to be morally defective, inhumane, vindictive, and evil. As an atheistic reductive materialist relativist, he must have known how groundless his false assertion actually was.
For if all of these are absolute moral laws: then there must be an absolute moral Lawgiver (e.g. God). If they are not, or if Russell believed they are, then his argument collapses into a groundless personal opinion revealing his own antichrist bias which is all he ever had within his own worldview to make that false assertion.
But then, Russell’s concern always was with his flawed understanding of science and not common sense. Poor Bertrand, truly a spiritually dead and lost man to be pitied.
But even if he had lived what he asserts in that video, his atheistic false assertions against Christianity were soundly rebutted by Christian scholars in the 20th century.
And as a person whose spiritual component interacts with God and the supernatural regularly, it's plainly obvious to me that the man was deceived and his worldview totally false.
Follow Jesus Christ (whose actions in life Bertrand falsely stated were "morally defective, inhumane, vindictive, and evil") to eternal life or Bertrand Russell whose actions actually were morally defective, inhumane, vindictive, and evil to the second death which he certainly could write a book on now I imagine that would mirror that of the selfish rich man toward the end of Luke 16.
Of course, the atheistic Russell never informed us by what standard he saw Christ's actions to be morally defective, inhumane, vindictive, and evil. As an atheistic reductive materialist relativist, he must have known how groundless his false assertion actually was.
For if all of these are absolute moral laws: then there must be an absolute moral Lawgiver (e.g. God). If they are not, or if Russell believed they are, then his argument collapses into a groundless personal opinion revealing his own antichrist bias which is all he ever had within his own worldview to make that false assertion.
But then, Russell’s concern always was with his flawed understanding of science and not common sense. Poor Bertrand, truly a spiritually dead and lost man to be pitied.
I put the x in Xtian as a shorthand, it is even Xtian shorthand. The X represents both Christ and the cross. Surely you can't deny that?
Further even if using an x does mock Xtianity, so what? It isn't mocking Xtians, just their idea of Xtianity.
Besides, if I was to mock you, a little x wouldn't come close to the cruel things I could say. But I won't.
Further even if using an x does mock Xtianity, so what? It isn't mocking Xtians, just their idea of Xtianity.
Besides, if I was to mock you, a little x wouldn't come close to the cruel things I could say. But I won't.