It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[Brother_Don]

Phil that was an ignorant comment you made for my post. Your post didn't make any sense, since someone that knows Christ would not do such things.

 

[Brother_Don]

seems like some people would rather see people go to hell, than say come up hither. We don't know the last thought that someone might have before they die, and i believe if Hitler, right before lights out, asked for forgiveness from the Almighty, that it would be granted, same as many others that some would not want in heaven. Get this, none of us deserve Heaven, we all deserve the pit, but thank the Almighty for His mercy that will bring us home.

 

[newbirth]

John 5:24

"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

A very powerful scripture so let find out what it means...whoever( is it anyone,everyone.all) hears(does it mean just listening with your ears or does it mean to obey)my word(what word, does it mean specific commands or not)and believes in him who sent me(God sent him so how do I believe God ,is it in my mind? do I have to simply trust, should I obey him? What does he say a believer ought to do?)has eternal life.(so are these conditions to eternal life? if I don't get it right will I still have eternal life?)He does not come into judgement, (does this mean he will not judged? does it mean the judgement will not affect him because he meets some requirement?)but has passed from death to life (is the passing from death to life based on not coming into judgement which is based on believing which is based on hearing.

 

[phil112]

Phil that was an ignorant comment you made for my post. Your post didn't make any sense, since someone that knows Christ would not do such things.

Bring the post to my attention. I strive to be clear in saying what I mean, and if I failed the only way to improve is to know where I went wrong. If I misunderstood what you said, please tell me.

 

[homwardbound]

Well, I don't know how many Prots acknowledge the non-Biblical word "sacrament" as valid. Boy, there are all kinds of Prots. Methinks most of them are dead church players today

Going to any Church, sitting in any pew, does not make one a believer anymore than religiously going to a hen house make one a hen. Yet, thankfully Christ is preached, and Father does the drawing according to one's motive to know Father, Father reveals or holds back truth

 

[homwardbound]

Ask most protestants, they will tell you baptism is a sacrament. (look at all of them in here saying baptism is a requirement for salvation)

by the way, before I get slammed by some who do not believe this. I am not saying ALL protestants..

Well, Brother there is only one Faith, one Lord and on Baptism.
And out of water or Spirit? I see which one is one, Spirit, water good for a good conscience sake between God and you, not for membership, please, and belong to this earth's gloss it has taken on since it could not stop truth found in Christ alone

 

[homwardbound]

The Bible is our rule of faith

if 99.999 percent protestants disagree
it just shows they are wrong.

The Bible says what God wants it to say
whether one reads it or not.
or believes it or not

Bible says
get Baptizd or you have a non biblical religion.
I read the Bible that is what it says.
Doesnt matter what protestants think

Christ and Father are my rule of Faith. For it is not the bible that sets one free. It is the truth revealed from God that one is free and just loves God's way, in 1Cor 13:4-13
I have seen this, and that person has not read the word, yet overflow with God's love to all, no matter who they are or where they might be going, just loves them all, without partaking in what they see as not beneficial, yet can and do hang around these worst sort of sinners, just like Christ did, amazing yes? And it does not matter if modern day do-gooders revile against them. Those that do are trying to keep others from knowing this unfathomable love of God

 

[homwardbound]

Well, take a pole. I used to be a protestant, and I don't recall that term being used, except to speak of RCC doctrine (which was disapproved).

I don't think that most Prots believe that water baptism saves, and some are no doubt universalists believing that no one goes to hell.

Why are you a denomination of any religion here on earth. Did Christ not say that his Kingdom here is not of this earth? As he had Peter put down his sword that cut off the ear of Malchus, the man that took Jesus to the chief elders of that day. And Jesus restored that man's ear and went willingly to the cross. Said to Peter if his Kingdom was here on earth, he would fight, but he did not. So where is the true Kingdom at? Heaven or here on earth?

 

[homwardbound]

There are no prayers for the dead in the Bible.

Bodies is and are what are dead, not Spirits.
Spirits are alive

 

[homwardbound]

If one is in and remains in a PRESENT TENSE state of crucifying and putting Christ to shame then it will be impossible for them to repent.

And so I don't knowing I am forgiven by Christ it is done whether I sin or not, it is still done by Father through Son
And I am not talking about taking this amazing salvation for granted and just sin all the more as some think to do,as the Corinthians did
I just love God because God first loved me and all here today is truth from God to all, too simple to Fathom unless God reveals this to you, me or anyone else. That is why Christ sent the Holy Spirit to us to teach us and correct us in the Faith

 

[homwardbound]

OSAS is a wrong concept = Once Saved Always Saved.

A proper designation is "eternally secure."

The Biblical concept is saved. If a man is saved, then he is saved. (duh, rocket science). The expression "always saved," suggests that there is such a thing as temporary saved. But a temporary opportunity to be saved is not saved. It is just a chance to be saved. You may as well talk about square circles.

To claim one can be saved, not not always saved, is a denial of salvation, and a denial that we have a Savior who has saved us.

We are secure in Him.

Complete in thee,
No work of mine,
Can take, dear Lord,
The place of thine;
Thy blood hath pardon bought for me;
And I am now,
Complete in thee.

"For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified." Heb 10

"For I am persuaded, that
neither death, nor life;
nor angels, nor principalities;
nor things present, nor things to come;
nor powers;
nor height, nor depth,
nor any other creature,
shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

I like that different term "eternally secure" thank you. love it and I see that as clearer, yet I am sure there is anothere way to see this saying as not true, yet no matter I am thankful to Father and Son for by Christ, me beleiving and staying steadfast in this I am eternally secure.
Again thank you, i think I needed that

 

[homwardbound]

Sorry, but, you are just trying to substitute and pervert the essence of my thoughts by selective manipulation of separate verses.

If, you like to answer me, then just answer, without attempt to proclaim from my behave, something what I never said.

It seems manipulative trickery with Holy Scritures is beloved hobby of all OSAS funs.

Not OSAS since there are so many different interpretations on this and what one is saying in misinterpretations. as is waht I see here being misinterpreted
I am okay not OSAS, I am "eternally secure in Father's grace" Thank you Jesus
Does this answer, not trying to manipulate anythin, just stating waht i see as truth, that has set me free.

 

[homwardbound]

is it Satanic heresy to deny eternal security? I don't think so. I beleive that the blood of Jesus covers every sin a believer commits. God already knew every sin each of us would commit. The Bible call Jesus "the Lamb sacrificed before the foundation of the world. God is outside of time so there are no "future" sins we will commit. We don't lose our salvation every time we sin because that would make GOD unfaithful to us. He loves us and promises He will NEVER leave us.

And in response to this unfathomable love from god in Spirti and truth, I asked for the Spirit to be led by and walk i faith, eternally secure, thanks for your post

 

[homwardbound]

You know why Catholics pray to Mother Mary. Because they were taught to do so since they were 2 years old. You know Muslims cling to Islam, because they were taught to do so since they were 2 years old. You know why Buddhist pray to Buddha because they were taught to so since they were 2 years old. You know why Baptist believe that water baptism is the only means of salvation. Because they were taught that since they were 2 years old.

The most difficult thing is unlearning what you have learned. That's why the cross is so offensive to people.

So a view at Saul, who was taught from 2 and God stopped him and taught him

Kind of like bringing this to date. Saul, you, or me in Saul's place and God says to us turn around, and we see a Chalk Board, full of writing, and see out life's from 2 onward written on this chalk Board.
And God says now see that eraser, pick it up and erase everything you have been taught. Then pick up the Chalk and write what I tell you, and pass this on to the Gentiles, and all who might listen.
Thanks Kerry

 

[homwardbound]

Eternal security is saying even tough I hit that hoe and I smoked that crack I am all good.

Rather Brother waht you said here is taking it for granted as the Corinthians did and Paul wrote to them to straighten that out. Those that take it for granted do not understand, might want to, and i pray they do As I thinmk you do to yes?
It is from a contrite heart that the new life does begin yes or no?

 

[homwardbound]

I f your in the boat it don't mean that you can jump out the boat.

Salvation being taken into a boat, from drowning is not salvation if the one that saved you, from drowning throws you back in. If one jumps back in on their Own, the one that saved you, still there for you, waiting for you to ask again and will put you back in the boat.
Now on the way to the shore, you ask for a cigarette and a bottle of booze, and many would throw you back in, would any of you?
So Salvation is nothing more than pulling one out of drowning, putting them in the boat and delivering them safely to the shore. Anything else is not salvation is it?

 

[homwardbound]

seems like some people would rather see people go to hell, than say come up hither. We don't know the last thought that someone might have before they die, and i believe if Hitler, right before lights out, asked for forgiveness from the Almighty, that it would be granted, same as many others that some would not want in heaven. Get this, none of us deserve Heaven, we all deserve the pit, but thank the Almighty for His mercy that will bring us home.

Just read Jonah 4, where God granted Mercy and Jonah complained, seeing the Ninevites as merciless, yet they repented, amazing Brother amazing thank you

 

[homwardbound]

A very powerful scripture so let find out what it means...whoever( is it anyone,everyone.all) hears(does it mean just listening with your ears or does it mean to obey)my word(what word, does it mean specific commands or not)and believes in him who sent me(God sent him so how do I believe God ,is it in my mind? do I have to simply trust, should I obey him? What does he say a believer ought to do?)has eternal life.(so are these conditions to eternal life? if I don't get it right will I still have eternal life?)He does not come into judgement, (does this mean he will not judged? does it mean the judgement will not affect him because he meets some requirement?)but has passed from death to life (is the passing from death to life based on not coming into judgement which is based on believing which is based on hearing.

Bottom line to love as God is Love, 1 Cor 13:4-13, which reveal impossible to our flesh natures we are first born with and need new life in Spirit and truth from Father a gift to us by Son's finished work for all that believe God
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

 

[GrandHoboMaster]

Not OSAS since there are so many different interpretations on this and what one is saying in misinterpretations. as is waht I see here being misinterpreted
I am okay not OSAS, I am "eternally secure in Father's grace" Thank you Jesus
Does this answer, not trying to manipulate anythin, just stating waht i see as truth, that has set me free.

Reffering to your answer, look yourself, you returned me verses, trying to call it be my thoughts in summary.

Reffering your own trust to your eternal security (= which is claim that you had saved already), I do not like to argue with your point of view concerning yourselves. But, I always would will prevent any brother, you try to recruit in this self-deceiption, that that is way to outer darkness, - fake salvation without proper garments and without an inner tool (personal organ) of communication with Jesus.

 

[Atwood]

Reffering your own trust to your eternal security (= which is claim that you had saved already),

Hobo, our trust is in our Savior the Lord Jesus. He has promised us eternal life, if only we will trust Him. God's word says we can know that we have eternal life already. We are not free to make up doctrine. What hinders you from trusting the SAvior to get you to Heaven? Realize you cannot save yourself. He offers the free gift of eternal life.

Nothing in my hand I bring,
Simply to thy cross I cling.


Rom 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.