It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[ji]

The true church is not the roman Catholic church for we know that the roman emperor had all the apostles killed then miraculously decided to become Christian and proclaim himself grand pumba named pope

..........grand pumba...

 

[2Thewaters]

So if a person that claims to be eternally saved
takes the mark of the beast of Revelation,

He will be eternally lost

ergo

once saved always saved is not Bible truth.

 

[Deadtosin]

So if a person that claims to be eternally saved
takes the mark of the beast of Revelation,

He will be eternally lost

ergo

once saved always saved is not Bible truth.

......epic.

 

[Apostol2013]

I am of the seal you see in my avatar that is my bloodline my tribe the times are upon us i seen the end times but the harlot received her mark already in the 1400 in constintanople a predeceding sign to whats coming

 

[Deadtosin]

I am of the seal you see in my avatar that is my bloodline my tribe the times are upon us i seen the end times but the harlot received her mark already in the 1400 in constintanople a predeceding sign to whats coming

interesting... so tell me about that..

 

[Apostol2013]

Well with every major prophecy as it appears is acompanied by a shadow form or a pre sign of the original constintanople was to be the new rome , like scriptures describe it , what happened in constintanople is an exact mirror image as the scriptures say it is the city that sits on seven hills and many waters , and there were ten unicipalities surrounding it and it so happens that these acted against the city along with the muslims . The city was burned their wkmen raped and children killed and as prophecy said no more will ships go in their and no more will merchants by her merchandise etc .. But this was the Holy Spirit that told me this , later i verified and it was true that city today is istanbul . Constintanople was the trading central of the world rich in silk etc .

 

[Deadtosin]

so you believe Revelations in it's entirety already took place or what?

 

[homwardbound]

Probably many of us are annoyed by threads being started with false statements, like OSAS is of satan. Then it is in our face all the time while we present scriptural proof how that if you are saved you are saved!

The reason why this denial is heresy is that it denies the very concept of salvation and that the Lord Jesus is our Savior. Those who take that route have distorted the meaning of salvation and savior. Such a denial is evidence that a man does not trust Christ as His Savior. But salvation is something we must have; we will not receive validation of our life's works.

To be sure, grace is an offense to the pride of man, since a corollary of grace (favor contrary to what we deserve) is the depravity of man. This explains why men despise grace, the idea that eternal life is a free gift to those who trust Christ as Savior. Men do not want to admit the depth of their depravity. But the idea that after judgment a man would be validated on the basis of his life's works and then do God a favor by entering Heaven, is a serious error. Man must have salvation, not validation of life. We must admit that our depravity is so profound that we must be saved by grace.

Salvation is not something one receives after an examination and judgment of works, salvation starts with a new birth and includes eternal life right now in this life. "the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."

Rom 8:

For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them
he also justified: and whom he justified, them
he also glorified.


What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He Who spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall He not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.


Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities,
nor things present, nor things to come,
nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

And we know this by:

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Once this is done, confirmed to you by God to you, you are what you are, and there is no having to prove a thing, and one's actions speak louder than words, and not all will interpret others actions the same, yet God knows who God knows and no one can snatch us out of God's hand, nor can nay weapon formed against us prosper, God is for us, and we know this in confidence, but not arrogant flesh
only by the Spirit of God who has confirmed you, so if not been confirmed by God to you personally, then maybe one need to beg for Mercy

 

[chubbena]

So if a person that claims to be eternally saved
takes the mark of the beast of Revelation,

He will be eternally lost

ergo

once saved always saved is not Bible truth.

It is a biblical truth that comes with a condition - abide in the Father and the Christ always.
There's no example either in OT or NT that one, who abided in the Father and the Christ, was snatched from the Father's hand. He'd always protect till the end.
It becomes a false teaching when men remove the condition.
It becomes a false teaching when abiding in the Father and the Christ is interpreted as men can go in and out of grievous sins.
It becomes a false teaching when men decide that it's impossible to be sinless.

 

[Apostol2013]

so you believe Revelations in it's entirety already took place or what?

No not at all there is much to come constintanople was a mere sign to the greater event . Like the pharaoh and his army killed at the river , later to take place again in Armageddon . Being the Lords supper . Then the final piece satan cast into eternal torment but the Lords supper is the event

 

[Deadtosin]

Well Apostol, it sure looks to me like we are heading toward a microchip and a one world government.. thats just the way the world looks at the moment.

 

[Apostol2013]

Although armageddon and satan cast into the lake of fire are the event to the pharaoh , i havent studied too deeply into the Lords supper but i will do my best to explain , satan cast into the lake of fire and his minions the antichrist and his prophet along with his army being His scales as written in psalms and i believe job spoke of leviathan

 

[Apostol2013]

I believe the true saints will endure and rather be slain than to receive the actual mark .

 

[Deadtosin]

I know I will

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is a twisted logic, sir.

Once we repent and acknowledge Christ's sacrifice and passion, we would then be offering ourselves to the Lord via obedience and submission to him.

Thats not twisted logic. As for you, you failed to leave out the most important part. Where is Faith in your list of things. Many people acknowledge that Christ died, and he had passion. But have NO FAITH IN his him at all. I think we can see it here, Your adding works, and left out faith. That is twisted my friend, You have to much YOU and not enough CHRIST.

You say that we cannot obey God of our own accord. That is a twisted logic; common sense tells us that our free-will allows us to either obey or disobey God.

Oh I can't? Then why did God call our good works filthy bloody rags. Why did God say their was non righteous no not one. Why did God say not by our works of righteousness but by his mercy.

You have no power to do Gods will. Period. You must be born again and given the spirit before you have any power to do the will of God.

It's true that our works are useless if done in a state of mortal sin, but our good works, if done in obedience to the Lord's commands, can be very pleased to God. Review Simon's conversion; Paul's preaching/debating.

Sorry buddy, If your not born again, All you can offer God is carnal works. This is not pleasing to him. The pharisees did the work of God according to the law. You saw how well those works pleased God.

Paul, by the dictations of the Lord, spread the good news far and wide; debating skeptics of all environments; educating the peoples. The Lord guided him, and Paul listened.

Should Paul's obedience not be awarded? Keep this in mind: If Paul haven't bothered to take the time and effort to educate people, then those people would still be in the dark about Christ.

Um Paul was already saved, Thus he was not working to earn salvation, so your point is mute, We are not talking about what a person born of the spirit of God should do. We are discussing how to become a child born of the spirit of God.

Paul made salvation easier for both himself and others by his good works, which were done via obedience and submission to God's will.

Yet paul did not work to earn salvation. He worked to spread the gospel yes. But that was AFTER he was already saved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To those who said they got tired of those in church who were "getting saved over & over" as to prove OSAS true...... not a single hypocrite's life has any ability to teach truth to us. Their "witness" is useless & vain.

lol.. well you can;t teach an old dog new tricks, You must first change the dog into another creature.

so we do not expect you to listen.. Your still a dog who loves to eat your vomit.. Had any good vomit lately?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If the evidence was overwhelming then you'd be able show where the Scriptures teach it, but you can't.

The passage you quoted from John 6 is speaking of the apostles.

um dude, the passage in john 6 was talking to the 5000 people (and their wives and children) who were fed the day before. they came looking for another handout, Not just apostles.

where do you people get your ideas from??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Butch whether it be OSAS, sabbath, catholicism.....false doctrine imbibers don't take Paul's word for anything.

Oh like you?

When are you going to answer.

how can eternal life be a gift, and a reward all at the same time?
cat got your tongue?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It seems pretty clear that they cast off the Lord and followed after Satan. What's really scary is that one time on another forum I had a guy arguing that they were still saved even having followed Satan. It's amazing what some will say to protect those favorite doctrines.

Your following self (which in the grand scheme of things is following satan) and you judge those of us who trust God and his promise of eternal life to all who believe?

you have nerve their my friend.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's Angela!

And I know all about context from the numerous courses in Seminary I took on Hermeneutics! As I said, I have read the Bible over 50 times, and each time it confirms eternal security. When we are born again, we are God's children. A good parent never gives up on their child, and God is the best parent possible.

"The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But since that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, [SUP]26 [/SUP]for you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus." Gal. 3:24-26

"But to all who did receive Him,
He gave them the right to be children of God,
to those who believe in His name," John 1:12

I will leave it to you to read those verses in context - which not only means within the chapter, but the book, the Testament and the Bible and in light of what Jesus Christ did for us. Context also means in light of who the book was written to, and the time and culture of the people. It does not mean you pull random scriptures out to prove a point which is not in the Bible.

prety amazing huh sis. We can take a few words out of a whole book and make it say something it never was intended to say, If we did this to Steven King or one of the great poets their would by a cry of astonishment and hate, But do it to th emost important book the world has ever been given and no one gives a hoot.