It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[eternally-gratefull]

Believing that saves no one; you must believe in the Savior; that is, trust Him, not just be convinced that some set of facts is true.

"Repent of sin" never is said to save anyone. Repent is used a few times, as opposed to the multitude of believe or have faith. The only repent that saves is a change of mind, a change from not trusting Christ to trusting Him. Being sorry and determining to turn over a new leaf, doesn't save anyone. It is impossible to trust the Lord Jesus to save you from sin and not be saved from sin.

But nobody on earth stops fulfilling the truth that in many ways we all stumble.

But to postulate [/SIZE][/COLOR]if I believe with all my heart in the Lord Jesus Who died for me and my sins, and never repent of sin, just live in sin, then I am saved; is to postulate a triangle with 4 sides. That never happens. He is a real Savior Who does saving. You are the savee; He is the Savior. His Saving is effective.



It is the word of God that over and over offers salvation on one condition only, faith, belief in the Lord Jesus, trust in Him. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.

Amen and Amen brother. There is a reason righteous people such as Daniel and John fell on their face in fear when they faced an angel of God in his real presence. They realised just how sinful they were, and how the only thing they deserve is the wrath of God.

These people somehow think they will stand in front of A holy God with their heads up high, so proud of how good they were, and how they did not sin as the "sinner" sins.

They will get a rude awakening one day.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Cassian, put whatever slur word you want on the doctrine of the Bible, it says what it says. Can you admit that you are such a persistent and vile sinner that you must be saved by grace if you ever will be saved? There is one big sin that we all need to confess: ME!

Amen again.

It is ME which keeps me from trusting God
It is ME which keeps me from being used from God
It is ME which keeps me in sin (even when I think I am not in sin)
It is ME which will cause me to suffer eternal damnation if I do not crucify ME and come to God on my knees and call on his name, because i admit, it ME I will never make it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

[Why did you leave out, "And such were some of you"?]-Atwood

why did I leave it out? In the scripture I supplied nowhere did I skip a verse.

As far as what came after the verses I supplied. "and such were some of you."

It appears that some of the christians of those days were following after their own flesh, however that takes away not one tittle of what Christ had said before that. again.. one more time.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Atwood, Eternal. ANY OF YOU, how do you detach this doctrine?!

Yes God called the unrighteous to repent.. Think about that. Jesus called the unrighteous to not only regret their sin, but to TURN FROM THEIR SIN.

Let me ask you this atwood. Is repentance simply being sorry? or does it bring change?
Lucifer is sorry. Will he be forgiven? why? or why not?

sorry, You did leave a part out.

The passage says they were not righteous because they stopped those sins. it says they were rightous because GOD washed them, GOD sanctified them, GOD justified them.

He also said SOME OF YOU (some of the ones he spoke to had yet to be cleansed by God and were still in need of salvation)

if your going to ppost and discuss a passage, Discuss the whole passage, not just the part which supports your belief.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No dude, you follow to the self-made illussion.
Jesus is My Lord. But I realise that I am unworthy to proclaim myself already saved (=saint), before His own final desicion about my soul.
I am not one, who whould sanctify himself in advance.
Let Eternal Judge decide who exactly is deserved which places either on His table or in the outer darkness, outside of His presence.

Thats sad.

God said you can be saved right now. Possess eternal life right now.

Why won;t you trust God and stop trusting self. You will never be good enough to earn salvation or eternal life. No matter how hard you try.

 

[Deadtosin]

sorry, You did leave a part out.

The passage says they were not righteous because they stopped those sins. it says they were rightous because GOD washed them, GOD sanctified them, GOD justified them.

He also said SOME OF YOU (some of the ones he spoke to had yet to be cleansed by God and were still in need of salvation)

if your going to ppost and discuss a passage, Discuss the whole passage, not just the part which supports your belief.

okay, if you are stating that there was more after the passages I posted, cool I'll accept that. I just wanted to be clear (as an example) that I didn't pick verse 8 and skip to verse 10. It says what I posted in order. Is there more after it yes there is. Do I read it as you do? no I don't. I did not believe I was leaving out anything that supports your views. I still don't read the passage you posted the way that you do.

trust me brother, I don't "want to be right." I simply want the truth. I don't manipulate anything for the sake of an argument. I in no way feel the desire to twist anything to "suit me" Gods Word is Gods Word. Trust me, I would love nothing more than to believe that there is nothing I could do to lose salvation. I just don't believe that the bible teaches that. I think the bible teaches that "God fearing" is spiritually healthy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

okay, if you are stating that there was more after the passages I posted, cool I'll accept that. I just wanted to be clear (as an example) that I didn't pick verse 8 and skip to verse 10. It says what I posted in order. Is there more after it yes there is. Do I read it as you do? no I don't. I did not believe I was leaving out anything that supports your views. I still don't read the passage you posted the way that you do.

trust me brother, I don't "want to be right." I simply want the truth. I don't manipulate anything for the sake of an argument. I in no way feel the desire to twist anything to "suit me" Gods Word is Gods Word. Trust me, I would love nothing more than to believe that there is nothing I could do to lose salvation. I just don't believe that the bible teaches that. I think the bible teaches that "God fearing" is spiritually healthy.

then listen to the truth, if you leave one part of the thought out, you will not get the context of the whole passage.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? [SUP]8 [/SUP]No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! [SUP]9 [/SUP]Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[SUP][a][/SUP] nor sodomites, [SUP]10 [/SUP]nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

you leave vs 11 out, you misinterpret vs 7-10. It is one thought.

 

[Deadtosin]

I still do not get how you get past. "BE NOT DECEIVED FORNICATORS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD"

yes we were washed, yes we were sanctified, yes we were justified. Where does that mean we can continue in sin?

 

[faroukfarouk]

I still do not get how you get past. "BE NOT DECEIVED FORNICATORS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD"

yes we were washed, yes we were sanctified, yes we were justified. Where does that mean we can continue in sin?

...but is such bad behavior characteristic of someone truly born of God?

 

[Deadtosin]

Forever is a VERY long time. I don't feel like taking chances... My salvation is in Jesus, without Him quickening my spirit I would never seek Him. Without His sacrifice I would never be justified. Without Him I wouldn't have been loosened of the chains of sin. What if, after He released the chains. I willfully choose sin. My love for darkness pervades my love of Light? Through Jesus I am released from sin. Yes or no? The bible says I'm free from the power of sin. That is the deliverance. Not through my righteousness but through the power of Jesus Christ.

 

[Apostol2013]

Whoever said one could change God's perception. All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. Thus you must be saved by grace or not at all.

By trusting the Lord Jesus, you may have Everlasting life.
"To an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Rom 8:

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

But by faith if you have been made righteous but once you have come to a full knowledge of the truth (Gods righteousness not ours ) then there is no remission of sins ( meaning that sin is the seperation from God if we call evil good and goid evil then perception is lost ) one thing the devil does is confuses a believer to make him lose perception then fro thsn on the darkening of the soul begins there is only eternal security when perception is kept solid and in not giving up never give up ! But perception must be kept a deep meaning must be sustained to keep the mind discipline at all times through obedience to the word and prayer ,prayer is a great armament we have with God thanks be to jesus

 

[Deadtosin]

...but is such bad behavior characteristic of someone truly born of God?

that's the problem Farouk, there are believers of Jesus Christ who live daily in their sin. We tell them their salvation is sure. YIKES!!

 

[faroukfarouk]

that's the problem Farouk, there are believers of Jesus Christ who live daily in their sin. We tell them their salvation is sure. YIKES!!

If they haven't got it, they never had it...

 

[Deadtosin]

If they haven't got it, they never had it...

say as you will, they thought they did. They were baptized. They believe He died and rose from the grave.

 

[faroukfarouk]

say as you will, they thought they did. They were baptized. They believe He died and rose from the grave.

Well, I reckon it matters far more whether God thinks a person is truly a Christian than whether s/he likes to think so.

 

[Deadtosin]

Well, I reckon it matters far more whether God thinks a person is truly a Christian than whether s/he likes to think so.

so now we have a problem. Once your saved and you choose sin are you still saved?

 

[faroukfarouk]

so now we have a problem. Once your saved and you choose sin are you still saved?

Why take people's word for it that they truly are saved, if they are habitually pursuing a life of sin? We have no Scriptural authority to conclude that such people are truly saved.

 

[Deadtosin]

Why take people's word for it that they truly are saved, if they are habitually pursuing a life of sin? We have no Scriptural authority to conclude that such people are truly saved.

so now we have people who believe in Jesus Christ who were never really saved..

 

[faroukfarouk]

so now we have people who believe in Jesus Christ who were never really saved..

Why take those who love in word only (and not in deed and in truth, as John says) to be genuine? God sees the heart, and not only the mere profession.

 

[Deadtosin]

Why take those who love in word only (and not in deed and in truth, as John says) to be genuine? God sees the heart, and not only the mere profession.

I know people who genuinely believe in Jesus Christ and love Him who have been seduced by the world. They were like the seeds sown on rocky ground.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I know people who genuinely believe in Jesus Christ and love Him who have been seduced by the world. They were like the seeds sown on rocky ground.

The parable of the sower is instructive as to who really has been like good ground for seed that flourishes.