It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security
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that's right evil is evil but righteousness is righteousness only with Christ and because of Christ and not of our own works but by obedience therefore Christ does the works for us , when we obey the truth we are simply doing hat we are suppose to but then if we are diligent in obeying the truth then God is living for us for we are being comformable in His likeness unto His death by that Christ is gloryfied by entering His rest . Before I go off the deep end here Christ is Christ the God of the living not the dead
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eternally-gratefull
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Yeah/ Why?
1. God claimed he was a man after his own HEART LONG before he did these sins. Did God lie?
2. No one will be saved by the law. According to the law. the only way David could be forgiven, was to sacrifice an animal to make amends for his sin.
David commited many sins, We all do. But david understood one thing.
Sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire.
blessed is the man with whom God will not impute sin.
when are you going to realise that a little white lie in the eyes of a Holy God is just as evil as murder and those other sins you like to rail about? When you do this, you MAY realise just how unworthy you are. and maybe you will start crying out to God also. And maybe then he will save you. because you trust HIM and his sacrifice, and not you and your ability to do good deeds. Or not sin those horrible sins.
you do understand you sound like the pharisee do you not?? "Thank God I am not like the sinner" When are yuo going to become like the sinner, and get on your knees, Unable to even look up at God because you KNOW how unworthy you are. ?
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feedm3
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I only claim what eternally deceptive states over and over:
You said you do believe that if one does not obey, he will not go to heaven beucase he was never saved.
I didnt say anyone else believes this in the OSAS doctrine. Just you.
In fact on the other thread OSAS and faith only people are telling you your wrong and calling you out saying you believe an action can cause you to not be saved.
Why are you own people arguing with you?
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eternally-gratefull
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see how deceptive you are?
1. No one is arguing with me, They just asked to clarify what I believe, I believe that has been resolved.
2. So you only say it about me. And not other osas people? wow. the lengths you will go. Thats ok though, Keep doing it. Those with open minds will see your deceptive heart and attitude.
By the way, Your still bearing false witness. How can you live with yourself?
Feedm,
The command which you must obey for eternal salvation is "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved." Over and over again, it is reiterated that all a man must do to be saved is to believe in or trust the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast."
And note that he is the author or cause of salvation, not we ourselves. And also the salvation is eternal salvation! not temporary.
Feedm goes on:
"You want this person your responding to NOT believe he MUST obey God? Then you will be happy he believes like you? "
No one, not you or I, will ever be saved by keeping the commandments of God, except that we are commanded to trust Him. We all fail in many ways. Romans 7 says that when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.
Good works must follow and the the result of faith in Christ, but they do not save. The path to "Hell" is thinking you are righteous and going to get into Heaven by good works. That is Phariseeism vs "God be merciful to me a sinner."
Feedm continues: "How many people does that bring right to hell?"
If a man believes in the Lord Jesus, how could he go to hell?
"God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." So how can a man who believes in Him perish in Hell? It is impossible, as God has promised Him everlasting life.
Feedm continues: "And if you truly believed if we disobey (live a life of sin) you would be preaching that we better obey God or we were never saved to beging with. is that you message?"
Indeed if a man has a life of gross sin, he should ask himself if He ever trusted Christ as Savior. But salvation is by grace through faith, apart from works.
Feedm claims: "I really pray you see this, because if your right and I am wrong, i will still go to heaven because I believe, and try to abstain from sin."
"BUT, If I am right and you are wrong, then you will know for eternity. Because false doctrine is disobedient, and the Bible is clear where false teachers are going. "
If so, you had best fear; repent of works-salvation; trust the crucified One to save you. Trying to abstain from sin doesn't save anyone. And you will not abstain from sin.
" You better take what you do seriously EG this is not a game of who can appear to be right. This involves peoples souls man."
Now that is true; it is not a game. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved."
[/SIZE]Romans:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he that believeth on him shall not be put to shame.
10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and my supplication to God is for them, that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith saith thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down7 or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach: because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved: for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;
Did we just snip off 70% of the NT? I also hear a tint of antinominianism.
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feedm3
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So you dont believe if one believes and does not obey God (repent) he will not see heaven?
So you did not say, you lived in sin, were dead, and still saved?
Yes you do and Yes you did. I can prove it, so it's not false witness.
You know it, I know it, so does OSAS people calling you out now know it.
Little by little your exposing yourself.
So true, E-G:
Hope is only in the Lord Jesus.
We expect to see the Lord Jesus.
Hope is the 3rd cardinal virtue of 1 Cor 13.
Faith gives substance to things hoped for.
We shall see His lovely face.
I expect to see those wound scars, in beauty glorified, scars that scream out how much He loves us.
And all because His grace.
To Those who have not yet trusted the Lord Jesus as only & sufficient Savior, those who have not yet rested from their works, rested in the Crucified, those who do not yet trust Him to get them to Heaven and provide eternal life:
I sing from the old hymn:
Come ye sinners,
Tired & weary,
Weak & wounded,
Sick & sore;
If you tarry,
you will never come at all.
Not the righteous,
Not the righteous,
Sinners Jesus came to call.
I sing from the old hymn:
Come ye sinners,
Tired & weary,
Weak & wounded,
Sick & sore;
If you tarry,
you will never come at all.
Not the righteous,
Not the righteous,
Sinners Jesus came to call.
If then we have faith that God redeemed then shall we continue in sin fully knowing God's wrath on those disobedient ? I think not you see by faith God has redeemed you so now that if by faith thy have believed in your heart meaning , if by heart you will fight with all fervency to not live in the old man not by your power or might but through the Holy word and the very power of God the Holy Ghost because of Christ we have this gift and way out of condemnation that by faith we are not condemned therefore our actions our speech must be of faith
I think it's interesting that the bible says "believe ON the Lord Jesus Christ"
Is there a difference in believing IN and believing ON?
could one be "believing in His existence" and the other "believing ON His teaching? Jesus says that unless our righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the pharisee we shall in no way enter the kingdom of heaven.
Where does this fit in?
[h=3]1 Corinthians 6:9-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Damn any teaching that opposes this truth in the gospel.
Is there a difference in believing IN and believing ON?
could one be "believing in His existence" and the other "believing ON His teaching? Jesus says that unless our righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the pharisee we shall in no way enter the kingdom of heaven.
Where does this fit in?
[h=3]1 Corinthians 6:9-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Damn any teaching that opposes this truth in the gospel.
Atwood you cannot fool yourself into changing God's perception , but instead let us adhere to God's perception all because of Christ we have this privilege
The only obedience required is to trust the Lord Jesus as Savior:
Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved. (Acts)
The main Greek word for repent is metanoeo, noun repent = metanoia. This term means a change of mind, not primarily sorrow for sin or turning over a new leaf. The only change of mind that saves is a change from not trusting the Lord Jesus as Savior to trustin Him as Savior.
Will you change your mind to faith today? Now is the day of salvation; now is the accepted time.
feedm asks: "So you did not say, you lived in sin, were dead, and still saved?"
If a man is saved there are results, as the Holy Spirit enters Him. But the saved man can still sin. There was a chap in 1 Cor 6 who fornicated with his father's wife. He was to be delivered to satan for the destruction of his body that his spirit might be saved, by the grace of God. He evidently confessed his sin and stopped it according to 2 Corinthians. He was to be admitted back into church fellowship.
There is a sin to death. A Christian might so disgrace the Lord that he has to be taken away. Chastisement is a fearful reality. But there is no question of no longer being a child of God after the new birth.
Now why not stop focusing on, "What about this; what about that"? Take God at His word. He says you may be justified by faith apart from works. He says that it is not of works lest anyone boast. The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life. Drop any pride which insists that you can be good enough to merit Heaven. Through yourself upon the mercy of God, and trust the Savior. He who begins a good work in you is able to complete it.
And remember, attacking the writer accomplishes no proof. It is the word of God that proves. Thus saith the Lord.
"For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
"For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified."
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."
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Whoever said one could change God's perception. All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. Thus you must be saved by grace or not at all.
By trusting the Lord Jesus, you may have Everlasting life.
"To an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."
Rom 8:
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
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feedm3
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Okay look, I am seriously just asking if you are you saying, if I believe with all my heart that Jesus died for me and my sins, and never repent of sin, just live in sin, then am I saved?
Most people keep answering this like, "only God knows", or "you have to figure that out" yet they are the ones that keep saying all I need is faith, and nothing can take eternal life from me.
So if you would just give me a straight yes or no answer to my question, you can elaborate as much as you like, i just dont want any dancing around to keep from saying yes or no. I would really appreciate that. Thank you
I think it is just variation in syntax, various Greek prepositions used, and English translations using various English prepositions which ma not even correspond to the Greek.
Of course there is a demonic believing mere facts, when it is trusting the Savior which saves.
Dead says: "Jesus says that unless our righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the pharisee we shall in no way enter the kingdom of heaven. "
read the end of Rom 5. What makes us sinful is our membership in Adam; what makes us righteous is belonging to the Lord Jesus. His righteousness needs to be put on our account. (This is called imputation in theology.)
The Dead asks: "Where does this fit in?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[And yet only the unrighteous are called!]
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[Why did you leave out, "And such were some of you"?]
Damn any teaching that opposes this truth in the gospel.[/QUOTE]
Well, I wouldn't call that the gospel (=good news).
But it is true that persistence in gross sin (including reviling the gospel?) does characterize only the unsaved. You cannot be saved without being saved.
But you should not have stopped the quote where you did, there is more:
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.
Believing that saves no one; you must believe in the Savior; that is, trust Him, not just be convinced that some set of facts is true.
"Repent of sin" never is said to save anyone. Repent is used a few times, as opposed to the multitude of believe or have faith. The only repent that saves is a change of mind, a change from not trusting Christ to trusting Him. Being sorry and determining to turn over a new leaf, doesn't save anyone. It is impossible to trust the Lord Jesus to save you from sin and not be saved from sin.
But nobody on earth stops fulfilling the truth that in many ways we all stumble.
But to postulate if I believe with all my heart in the Lord Jesus Who died for me and my sins, and never repent of sin, just live in sin, then I am saved; is to postulate a triangle with 4 sides. That never happens. He is a real Savior Who does saving. You are the savee; He is the Savior. His Saving is effective.
It is the word of God that over and over offers salvation on one condition only, faith, belief in the Lord Jesus, trust in Him. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.
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feedm3
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Yes there is. thank you for bringing that out. That's what I am saying as well. You can believe in his existence like Santa, and not obey.
Cassian, put whatever slur word you want on the doctrine of the Bible, it says what it says. Can you admit that you are such a persistent and vile sinner that you must be saved by grace if you ever will be saved? There is one big sin that we all need to confess: ME!