Oneness/Trinity?

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Oneness or Trinity?

  • Oneness

    Votes: 7 16.7%
  • Trinity

    Votes: 29 69.0%
  • I don't know/I don't care

    Votes: 6 14.3%

  • Total voters
    42
Sorry but i have said these verses before and want to bring them here friends..... this is my opinion you don't have to believe if you want i am just making a point friends

Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 - (Jesus is the First and the Last)

Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer)
2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ”

Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by His self alone)
John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things)

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Acts 4:12 - “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)
Revelation 1:5,6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)

Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Hebrews 1:8,9 - But to the Son He (God) says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”


Hebrews 2:17,18 - “Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.”
Hebrews 4:15,16 - “For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.”
1 Peter 2:24 - “who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we having died to sins, might live for righteousness - by whose stripes you were healed.”

He went from sovereignty to shame and from deity to death? Why!? For you.
John 15:13 - “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.”
Romans 5:8 - “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
 
We have a thread in the Bible Discussion Forum on this topic where we've already showed that oneness doctrine is in error.
 
Amen Glory be to JESUS Amen.
I totally believe what Bro DMURRAY said JESUS Having Titles like we do. like his the (father) of humanity in the (son) the flesh of marry his mother and the Holy spirit the indwelling Holy spirit that lives inside of us Amen. We having titles like son, daughter, brother sister, uncle, aunty nephew, niece.... Like Bro DMURRAY Said And its good to share to understand each other truth of opinion...that's all I'm saying :)
Glory Be to JESUS. Amen. In JESUS Name. Amen.
 
Mankind is made up of what I'll call cells(us) We are governed by a head(Jesus) Within this head is a brain(Father/intelligence) This would be no good without the life within (Holy Spirit) The cells have their own knowledge and capabilities but are a part of the body of Christ(church). This does NOT make us gods but of God. This is how God is 3 in 1 and still all in all.(Trinity) Without the head,brain and life, the body does not function. This is how man was created in the image of God. God is all life and the firstborn of every creature (colossians 1:15). Yes, Jesus Christ is god, was chosen as the son of god to deliver the truth. God is one being of which we are a part.
 
The three different people are One.. That's what i believe..

God,Jesus and the Holy Spirit are 3 people who are (1)
 
We may have three separate parts of our body, BUT I am still one person, I'm not three different people.

Hi David,
I have problems to answer that too. Jesus is ONE with the Father and The Holy Spirit.
The Latin word trinitas mean "three are one".
So i would say both is correct.
You cannot compare body parts with a spiritual "body" , can you?
 
Well I'm really confused about both!

Oneness - Jesus is God? Ok but how come he died? Who raised him? How can he sit on the right hand of God?

Trinity - God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit - doesn't make that 3 Gods?
 
Well I'm really confused about both!

Oneness - Jesus is God? Ok but how come he died? Who raised him? How can he sit on the right hand of God?

Trinity - God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit - doesn't make that 3 Gods?
I think pictures are best on this.
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It is a delicate balance, I must admit.


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Hi jimmygiggs

That triangle thing doesn't seem to add up to me, but maybe I'm seeing it wrong?

You'll have to forgive my naivety her, but if

A) The Son is God, but not the Father or the Holy Spirit

and

B) The Father is God, but not the Son or the Holy Spirit

and

C) The Holy Spirit is God, but not the Father or The Son

then you have three Gods, not one.

I thought there was only one God.

I mean if we looked at that triangle for what it could also be, which is a shape, a relationship, a set, which is mathematical - and we substituted mathematical ideas into the triangle, like so:

Let God = A
Let The Father = B
Let The Son = C
Let the Holy Spirit = D

we have the following:

B=A
C=A
D=A

Therefore B=C and B also equals D, so they al must be the same thing.

But in the triangle it says they 'are' but they 'aren't'.

I'm really confused!
 
Hi jimmygiggs

That triangle thing doesn't seem to add up to me, but maybe I'm seeing it wrong?

You'll have to forgive my naivety her, but if

A) The Son is God, but not the Father or the Holy Spirit

and

B) The Father is God, but not the Son or the Holy Spirit

and

C) The Holy Spirit is God, but not the Father or The Son

then you have three Gods, not one.

I thought there was only one God.

I mean if we looked at that triangle for what it could also be, which is a shape, a relationship, a set, which is mathematical - and we substituted mathematical ideas into the triangle, like so:

Let God = A
Let The Father = B
Let The Son = C
Let the Holy Spirit = D

we have the following:

B=A
C=A
D=A

Therefore B=C and B also equals D, so they al must be the same thing.

But in the triangle it says they 'are' but they 'aren't'.

I'm really confused!

But they are all God because they are of the same essence, therefore one God. If I divide an apple into three parts I still only have one apple, I do not suddenly have three apples. Each piece of the apple is equally as much an apple as any other piece of the apple. That's a rather crude demonstration of the concept but I hope it helps.
 
Joe90, the Doctrine of the Trinity states that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct persons, not three distinct beings.

So you could have hypothetically (not sure if this could ever occur), God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit standing side by side, and they are not three disctint beings as they are all God. One being, three persons.
 
Hi JNimmy

Thanks for your reply.

Ok, I think I see what you're getting at, but I'm a person. My wife is a person, and my children are people - that makes four of us.

If I was three persons how can I be one?

I mean, I'm a father and a son - I'm definitely not the Holy Spirit! - but there aren't two of me.

How is it so with Jesus and God?

I mean, if he - Jesus the Son - is indeed a Son at all, then surely he has a father. That makes two, not one.

Confused.
 
The origin of Trinity doctrine came from the early false christians. If we search deeply the true history, the Council of Nicea that flourished/formulated Trinity doctrine were only attended by false christians who collaborate with the Emperor of Rome, even the christian bishop of Rome during that time did not attend the said Council. Same Council that formulated a laws of hatred against the Jews. Only false Christians who heed the call of Emperor Constantine for reconciliation by an order of his Edict of Milan, while the true Christians were continue hiding together with the Christian Jews who were baptized in Jesus name. Trinity doctrine cannot be trusted, formulated by false christians go in hand as anti-semitism since from the past.
 
The origin of Trinity doctrine came from the early false christians. If we search deeply the true history, the Council of Nicea that flourished/formulated Trinity doctrine were only attended by false christians who collaborate with the Emperor of Rome, even the christian bishop of Rome during that time did not attend the said Council. Same Council that formulated a laws of hatred against the Jews. Only false Christians who heed the call of Emperor Constantine for reconciliation by an order of his Edict of Milan, while the true Christians were continue hiding together with the Christian Jews who were baptized in Jesus name. Trinity doctrine cannot be trusted, formulated by false christians go in hand as anti-semitism since from the past.

LOL!

Obviously you read the Scriptures with your eyes, mind and spirit firmly closed!

For those interested you can find a bit of a study Here refuting the Oneness error...

Yahweh Shalom
 
What I believe, is that God is a spirit, therefore he is one thing. Since he is a spirit he can exist in many different forms, he appeared to Moses in a burning bush, he dwells within us, he made himself flesh and walked this Earth just as we do. I don't believe that he exists as the Holy Spirit, the Son, and the Father Solely. I believe that they are all one, and that his name is Jesus Christ. He tells us him and his father are one, and that he has come in his fathers name. Thus meaning God's name is Jesus.

Just as I am David, but I am also, a Son, a Brother, a Friend, a Nephew, etc... I have many different titles just as God does, but I am still one person. David.


That's what is called modalism. It's viewed as a heresy by many churches, the Roman Catholic Church being the largest opposition to modalism, since it was at a council that the RCC denounced it when it first popped up.
 
The origin of Trinity doctrine came from the early false christians. If we search deeply the true history, the Council of Nicea that flourished/formulated Trinity doctrine were only attended by false christians who collaborate with the Emperor of Rome, even the christian bishop of Rome during that time did not attend the said Council. Same Council that formulated a laws of hatred against the Jews. Only false Christians who heed the call of Emperor Constantine for reconciliation by an order of his Edict of Milan, while the true Christians were continue hiding together with the Christian Jews who were baptized in Jesus name. Trinity doctrine cannot be trusted, formulated by false christians go in hand as anti-semitism since from the past.

So tell me what the meaning of 1 John 5: 7? read from KJV, not the NIV and other translations, as they miss out important true scriptures.

But explain to me, the meaning of 1 John 5: 7?
 
That's what is called modalism. It's viewed as a heresy by many churches, the Roman Catholic Church being the largest opposition to modalism, since it was at a council that the RCC denounced it when it first popped up.

As if the RCC isn't heretical itself, this is a good example of


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