Why do you like math?

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Fenner

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If you're a person who enjoy's doing math problems on purpose please explain why?

I've never been a math person, I'm not horrible at it, I just don't like it. My Husband has a degree in Math, I'm not sure how he stayed awake in any of his classes but he finds it fascinating, so do my kids.

I have to Google everything for this new math that they use in schools now, just so I can try to help them with their homework.

So please math fans, tell me, what do you like about math? I don't mean this to be insulting, I'm just curious.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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I'm not really a fan of math, because school made me hate it so. Doing problems for no reason. X +7 = 10. Why is X 3?

Well my retort to that is, I have no darn clue. Why are you using X when you could just say 3? What actual use does this have in the real world?

Teacher Reply: "Well architects and engineers use it sometimes"

Me: Oh, so it's worthless to me.

When really, they wanted you to say that X is 3 because only 3 + 7 = 10. Which is completely worthless. Gives you no reason why you would use it, no true example.....then you'll just forget about it because it's a bunch of junk information that you have no interest in.

Though later in life, I have developed an appreciation for algebra. I've written some simple computer programs to help me out with variable calculations for certain things, it really is useful in some situations.....but no one ever bothered to give me an actual example from a teacher's perspective......ever. Even in college, I was taking an electronics course and the teacher drew a diagram of a circuit. I understood the diagram and the electrical functions but I'm like "What is this good for, what is the practical use?".....His response was "I couldn't tell you, it's just an example".

Me: Sigh.

I even got a lot of answers reversed in college (Wrong answers according to the teacher's guide but acceptable when challenged), because the questions could be interpreted logically and answered logically several different ways. The education system sucks, but learning itself for the joy of it is fun :p. Learning and Education aren't really the same thing IMO
 
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Tintin

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I strongly dislike Maths and I was really bad at in my school days. I'm better now but I still struggle with some areas of Maths.
 

DuchessAimee

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I like higher math and the various theories that make it up. I like the concepts and how it fits with other things.


Math makes up everything. You can do proofs for science and all that, but also music, art, and food too. Without math God couldn't have created the world. Without math there would be no life, no function, no homeostasis. Math is pretty awesome.
 

Fenner

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I actually used Algebra and Physics when I was an Optician.

It's crazy how some doctor's write out scripts, look at this.




Regular eye glass RX usually written by an Optometrist




Here is one written by an Ophthalmologist, you have to transpose it,

I'll show you



O.D. +0.25 -1.50 015
O.S. +0.25 -4.25 010 ADD 2.25

My new RX is:

O.D. PL +1.75 x110
O.S, -3.00 +3.75 x95 ADD +2.00


The new rx is in plus cylinder form. To change to minus cynder form add cylinder to sphere, change from plus to minus cylinder and add or subtract 90 from axis. New rx changed to minus cylinder would be

OD +175 -1.75 x 20
OS +0.75 - 3.75 x 05

there is a major difference in the right eye from old rx to new one.

It was annoying to me, not hard but annoying.
 

penknight

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I strongly dislike Maths and I was really bad at in my school days. I'm better now but I still struggle with some areas of Maths.
Really? You seem like you take a liking to math.
 

penknight

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I like geometry and trigonometry, but its been awhile since I've done either.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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I like higher math and the various theories that make it up. I like the concepts and how it fits with other things.


Math makes up everything. You can do proofs for science and all that, but also music, art, and food too. Without math God couldn't have created the world. Without math there would be no life, no function, no homeostasis. Math is pretty awesome.
Math is useful in music, but there is no need to think in terms of numbers (Though many nerds take pleasure in knowing the exact frequencies of musical notes in relationship to each other). The reason some music sounds pleasant is because your brain is already counting the intervals, but maybe not in plain English or terms your conscious mind understands. Good intervals = harmonic relationship, Bad intervals = inharmonious relationship. Good music has numbers that "mesh" with each other on a frequency level. Math is pretty interesting sometimes when you think about it like that
 
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Animus

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There are a few things I like about math.

I like that there are absolute answers to everything. I like it because the problems are generally self-contained, and so you can solve very long and difficult problems with nothing but a pencil and paper, without the need to do research or rely on other people's findings. You might argue that calculus is someone else's finding, but you can go through the proof and verify that everything is correct using only a pencil and paper. You cannot do anything like this in history, natural science, geography, sociology, psychology, economics, etc..

Learning new math is not always relaxing, but doing math problems in areas that you know is very relaxing (I find). And then learning new math is interesting. Math is not man-made (although the terminology and symbols are), and so everything that you learn is just a natural property of reality, that will never change in the way that economic or scientific theories might.

For example, prime numbers are numbers that are only divisible by 1 and themselves (and 1 is not included). There are infinitely many prime numbers, but there appears to be no pattern as to when they occur on the number line.
2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71, these are some of the first prime numbers.
2[SUP]57,885,161[/SUP] − 1 is the largest known prime number. These kinds of large prime numbers are used in bank security encryption in such a way that in order to break the encryption you need to find out the two massive prime numbers that the bank is using to encode their data. This is very difficult to do because there is no pattern to the numbers.

In all the kinds of subjects I mentioned before, such as history, natural science, geography, sociology, psychology, and economics, there are all sorts of differing opinions, different theories, and while I find many of these areas interesting, I also find they can be exhausting. Reading the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and then researching The Austrian School of economic thought was certainly interesting, but at the end of the day the argument will rage on forever, and while I can argue my position, I cannot prove it the way you can prove things in math, because all of the evidence is subject to error, and there are always so many possible alternate explanations and variables that all you can do is try your best to make a good case for your stance.

Mathematical reasoning helps you to think properly in every context. A very important thing in math is that things are well defined, and often one of the problems in every day arguments is that things are so poorly defined, or a common definition is not shared by both parties. Take the phrase "good person" for example. Suppose person A defines it as "someone who has done more good deeds than bad deeds", and person B defines it as "someone who has done only good deeds". Person A would say that Mother Teresa is a good person, and person B would say that she is not. Assuming they both knew for a fact that the sum of her good deeds was greater than the sum of her bad ones, they merely have a problem of poorly defined words, and no actual disagreement.
 
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posthuman

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i like what Animus said

there is no other subject of study where truth can be definitively stated without any point of contention or argument.

if i show x = 42, then x = 42 and it isn't subject to any opinion, debate or agreement.
this isn't the case with philosophy, science, arts, theology, or any other field. loving Truth, then, i love mathematics, where truth can be found and held with assurance!

there is also the tremendously broad application of it; it underpins every science, and learning math is also learning axiomatic logic, deductive and inductive reasoning and abstraction of all kinds of problems and questions into approachable, methodical systems that can be solved or estimated with universal techniques. so a knowledge of math and the mindset by which math can be applied is useful to more situations and endeavors than any other secular study i know.





 
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I actually used Algebra and Physics when I was an Optician.

It's crazy how some doctor's write out scripts, look at this.

Regular eye glass RX usually written by an Optometrist




Here is one written by an Ophthalmologist, you have to transpose it,

I'll show you



O.D. +0.25 -1.50 015
O.S. +0.25 -4.25 010 ADD 2.25

My new RX is:

O.D. PL +1.75 x110
O.S, -3.00 +3.75 x95 ADD +2.00


The new rx is in plus cylinder form. To change to minus cynder form add cylinder to sphere, change from plus to minus cylinder and add or subtract 90 from axis. New rx changed to minus cylinder would be

OD +175 -1.75 x 20
OS +0.75 - 3.75 x 05

there is a major difference in the right eye from old rx to new one.

It was annoying to me, not hard but annoying.

That looks like my old checkbook. :rolleyes:
 

Atwood

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If you're a person who enjoy's doing math problems on purpose please explain why?

I've never been a math person, I'm not horrible at it, I just don't like it. My Husband has a degree in Math, I'm not sure how he stayed awake in any of his classes but he finds it fascinating, so do my kids.

I have to Google everything for this new math that they use in schools now, just so I can try to help them with their homework.

So please math fans, tell me, what do you like about math? I don't mean this to be insulting, I'm just curious.
IMHO:

I love math because I have a logical mind and because math is an area where there has been no debate in my experience. You can be Christian, atheist, Hindu, or pagan: The laws of math are the same, and the conclusions are not debatable once you accept the axioms.

Math allows clear argument without talking past each other and arguing over words.

There is a beauty in math that one can come to appreciate, a real esthetic experience.

I'm not sure what the "new math" is. I recall a "new math" back in the 1970's. Perhaps you refer to computer type math, Boolean Algebra and the like? What is fascinating is that old Boole (1854) invented this math system way before there were computers, a system that I think had no practical application! But when computers came along, it was made for them.

No one should be "allowed" to proclaim Bible interpretation or theology unless that person can get an A in Plane Geometry (essentially a course in logic) or in symbolic logic. As persons who cannot do those, do not have a logical mind.

I ran a private school for many years which went up through 12th grade. The vast majority of students that I got, whether from public or private school, had no math skills beyond counting. They could not add or subtract (without fingers or calculator), multiply, divide or much else. Every student I got with Algebra listed on his transcript, could not pass even the first unit of 1st year algebra when I tested him.

I can assess a child's math skills usually in ~ 1 minute. I just ask them 3 questions. Here they are, and here are the rules:
When I ask you a question, you must just give the one-word answer immediately without hesitation.
You many not repeat the question or ask me anything about it.
If I ask, Who discovered American, you must answer "Columbus," not "Who discovered America was Columbus."


Are you ready? Here goes:

1) 0 + 0 is ___.
Person answers 0.

2) 2 + 2 is ___.
Person answers 4.

3) 7 + 8 is ___.
Person freezes and cannot answer! Using fingers is a flunk.

So, most children today apparently never learned their addition combinations in the first grade or ever. And thus they have been lost in math ever since. My theory is that the present generation has both parents working and no one drilling the kids on combinations at home, and that with a large number of students (with disorder in the class), teachers do not teach the combinations -- maybe elementary teachers themselves never learned them? My theory is that if the parents do not see that their kids learn the add & subtract combinations, they will likely never learn them.

Having assessed most students that quickly, I began teaching them the combinations by various means, one of which is playing Monopoly with special dice that go up to 9 on each die (also computer programs, flash cards and even repetitive copying).

After that, I ran a program to make sure that the children could add (carry), subtract (borrow), multiply, and divide (long and short), followed by percents, and jr high geometry; then into algebra.

Working math problems can bring the same pleasure as working puzzles, but if one never learned the basics, how is one going to be anything but frustrated at math?

I am surprised to read about homework. I think that today only a small percent of children do homework.

There is nothing insulting about your question. We all have different likes and dislikes, different natural and spiritual gifts. I do think it well to let children pursue their own interests somewhat. So if your kid likes butterflies, let them study butterflies. I had a student who liked to breed pit bull dogs, so I had him study a book about pit bull dogs.

I wonder if there is any intersection at all between your personal likes and math?
 
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Atwood

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I strongly dislike Maths and I was really bad at in my school days. I'm better now but I still struggle with some areas of Maths.
Ah Ha. A Brit! (or under British influence). Did you know that in the USA we study math, but not maths? I don't think the word "maths" even exists in American English; but who knows, since we do have Eastern regions.
 

posthuman

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the "new math" that people talk about recently in public schools isn't "new" at all, it's just a (maybe misguided) way to encourage an abstract way of thinking about numbers that is helpful.
maybe it's not such a big deal to me because (1) i don't teach K-12, and (2) i already think this way in my head, having done a lot of auditing work in the past where i needed to quickly count or add odd numbers together without using a calculator.

as i understand it, the "new math" is this:
18 + 27 = ___
18 + 27 = (20 - 2) + (30 - 3) = ___
18 + 27 = (20 + 30) - (2 + 3) = ___
18 + 27 = 50 - 5 = 45

(50 - 5) is easier for most people to compute in their head than (18 + 27).
all this "new math" is, is an attempt to get students to think that way.
the way it gets presented may be kooky, and Americans in general are fond of complaining about both math and their gov't, so it's not surprising to see it's popular to complain about a push to teach this "method" of computation. IMHO it's benign lol, not an evil attempt to stupefy the nation.
 
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MidniteWelder

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IMHO:



No one should be "allowed" to proclaim Bible interpretation or theology unless that person can get an A in Plane Geometry (essentially a course in logic) or in symbolic logic. As persons who cannot do those, do not have a logical mind.
This...
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posthuman

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Ah Ha. A Brit! (or under British influence). Did you know that in the USA we study math, but not maths? I don't think the word "maths" even exists in American English; but who knows, since we do have Eastern regions.

hee hee yes, we study "Math" and we also study "Mathematics" here, not "Mathematic" -- so i have to be honest and say the Brits are at least consistent =]
 

Pipp

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If I didn't have to know math to bake cakes then I wouldn't fool with it.
 

posthuman

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here's an interesting approach to understanding the Word of God that came to me through studying math:

in math, there are often many ways of solving a problem, but one unique answer.
if you know the answer by one method, and you attempt to solve the problem by another method,
and you come to a different conclusion, then you know that there is something wrong with the way you applied the second method.

now if we know that there is no other way to be justified and redeemed before God except through Jesus (because, John 14:6!),
and we attempt by some other method to discern how we are justified and redeemed before God,
and we come to any conclusion other than Jesus,
then we know that there is something wrong with how we have applied that method :)
 

Oncefallen

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Who said I like math? Actually I am more indifferent to it. Most people will not use anything beyond basic math skills in their careers or personal lives, those who do (in the words of my geometry teacher) will have forgotten much of it by the time they need it.

No one should be "allowed" to proclaim Bible interpretation or theology unless that person can get an A in Plane Geometry (essentially a course in logic) or in symbolic logic. As persons who cannot do those, do not have a logical mind.
From what I understand prior to the 60's or 70's a class in basic logic was required for just about any college degree. At times I think it was removed as a requirement in order to help promote the liberal agenda since much of it goes against plain logic.
 
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I LOVE MATH. God gave me a talent for it and I got better at it. :) But it also depends on what kind of math XD