NIV TRUTH- Satan and NWO revealed
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well the conspiracy is of course not one created by man, but satan.
The point of thinking about it is to prepare ourselves and or prepare others to be ready for what is to come. For me personally its less time playing games and building a future and more time spending time with God and spreading His Word. I fear I've become a lazy servant and it's time I become much more proactive. They are setting the stage of course for the one world religion as well, that's where our bibles come in to play. Semantics. We must be prepared in many ways. After all these Satanists take Gods prophecies much more seriously than most Christians, so they are prepared.
The point of thinking about it is to prepare ourselves and or prepare others to be ready for what is to come. For me personally its less time playing games and building a future and more time spending time with God and spreading His Word. I fear I've become a lazy servant and it's time I become much more proactive. They are setting the stage of course for the one world religion as well, that's where our bibles come in to play. Semantics. We must be prepared in many ways. After all these Satanists take Gods prophecies much more seriously than most Christians, so they are prepared.
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Translational bias is a BIG issue.
But even BIGGER, is the fact that Greek is a far more complex and richer language than English, and most other modern languages. (Interesting and points to an early creation, to look at how with each generation language becomes simpler, not more complex as evolutionary theory predicts! But I digress!)
So you have all these tenses that are totally different and the verbs just cannot carry the same meaning in English. Plus a lot of words just not translated right. Nouns are a HUGE issue, because although German has four cases, they are not nearly as complex as Greek.
So a word like adelphoi, in Greek actually means "brothers and sisters" in Greek in the nominative case. That does not come through in any English translations I know of. Then there are hapax legomena. Words which only appear once in the entire Bible. Part of the method of translation, is to compare where the word is used elsewhere, if there are any questions are issues. But what are you going to do, if the word appears only once? Well, you have to look at contemporaneous texts, Greek texts written the same time the New Testament was written.
My favourite example of a very bad translation in the KJV and other Bibles which affects doctrine is "authentein" which King James' committee translated as authority, which is a completely different word in Greek "exousia". Authentein appears only once in the Bible, in 1 Tim. 2:12. Paul is talking about how to deal with a specific situation, which one can discern culturally has to do with the priestesses of Artemis coming into the congregation, and being wild, and domineering. That is the way the word is most often translated "domineering in contemporaneous sources. So you have an entire doctrine about men being authority over women, based on translating one word, and then supported by only one other verse in 1 Cor. 14, which the punctuation is a huge issues. So an entire doctrine, based on two disputed texts.
Then you have manuscript issues. Copyist mistakes figure highly in the Byzantine or so-called Majority Texts. Lower criticism (actually looking at manuscripts through the centuries) have been literally combed through and each error has a starting point, which then is recopied wrong and either becomes the dominant reading, because it has been copied wrong so many times, or it dies out, when it is such an egregrious mistake that no one can deny the copyists was wrong and entire sentences, or passages are out of place or missed or added. Mark 16:9-20 which is noted in most modern texts as being not in any of the earliest manuscripts, which means it is likely an addition, and the original was lost. To say nothing of some really bad doctrine coming out of the passage, like snake handling!
Then there are genuine and honest disagreements by scholars about how to translate a word or passage. No conspiracy, no one trying to force doctrine, just which word is best, or which way to properly word the passage to get the intent of the original writer.
So no, the KJV is not erroneous in most things, although because it is based on the later manuscripts from the Byzantine era (Because they spoke Greek, those manuscripts are in the greatest numbers) And there are many archaic words which were right and true in the 16th century, but the word is either not used anymore or has actually changed meaning. The scholars who translated did their very best, but even the original preface for the KJV 1611, states that words and meanings change, and new versions will come along.
Besides, the essential Bible doctrines of Christ, fully God and fully man, born of a virgin, lived, did miracles, was hated by the Pharisees, and crucified on the cross for our sins, and rose on the third day to show the power of God to save all people, is the same in every Bible from the Geneva to the ESV.
That is called orthodoxy. But you do need to go back to the original languages sometimes, to conclusively prove that "The Word is God," not "The Word was a god", as the JW's say, because of the nature of the Greek language. KJV and all orthodox Bibles say the same thing. But the New World Translation perverts that verse, and that is why Greek is necessary, to show these heretics why they have been led astray. And no English version shows that as well as the Greek.
God is in the business of saving and reaching people. You can be saved reading any version, because God saves us. I had a friend who was a missionary to the Jehovah's Witnesses, having been one herself for 15 years. She was able to show from a perverted NWT that Jesus was God!
So never trouble yourself, Phil, that God is going to lose his purpose in spite of cults and heretics. The Bible is the most incredible book in the world. If your preference is the KJV or the NIV, then just read it, and God will teach you and you will grow.
But even BIGGER, is the fact that Greek is a far more complex and richer language than English, and most other modern languages. (Interesting and points to an early creation, to look at how with each generation language becomes simpler, not more complex as evolutionary theory predicts! But I digress!)
So you have all these tenses that are totally different and the verbs just cannot carry the same meaning in English. Plus a lot of words just not translated right. Nouns are a HUGE issue, because although German has four cases, they are not nearly as complex as Greek.
So a word like adelphoi, in Greek actually means "brothers and sisters" in Greek in the nominative case. That does not come through in any English translations I know of. Then there are hapax legomena. Words which only appear once in the entire Bible. Part of the method of translation, is to compare where the word is used elsewhere, if there are any questions are issues. But what are you going to do, if the word appears only once? Well, you have to look at contemporaneous texts, Greek texts written the same time the New Testament was written.
My favourite example of a very bad translation in the KJV and other Bibles which affects doctrine is "authentein" which King James' committee translated as authority, which is a completely different word in Greek "exousia". Authentein appears only once in the Bible, in 1 Tim. 2:12. Paul is talking about how to deal with a specific situation, which one can discern culturally has to do with the priestesses of Artemis coming into the congregation, and being wild, and domineering. That is the way the word is most often translated "domineering in contemporaneous sources. So you have an entire doctrine about men being authority over women, based on translating one word, and then supported by only one other verse in 1 Cor. 14, which the punctuation is a huge issues. So an entire doctrine, based on two disputed texts.
Then you have manuscript issues. Copyist mistakes figure highly in the Byzantine or so-called Majority Texts. Lower criticism (actually looking at manuscripts through the centuries) have been literally combed through and each error has a starting point, which then is recopied wrong and either becomes the dominant reading, because it has been copied wrong so many times, or it dies out, when it is such an egregrious mistake that no one can deny the copyists was wrong and entire sentences, or passages are out of place or missed or added. Mark 16:9-20 which is noted in most modern texts as being not in any of the earliest manuscripts, which means it is likely an addition, and the original was lost. To say nothing of some really bad doctrine coming out of the passage, like snake handling!
Then there are genuine and honest disagreements by scholars about how to translate a word or passage. No conspiracy, no one trying to force doctrine, just which word is best, or which way to properly word the passage to get the intent of the original writer.
So no, the KJV is not erroneous in most things, although because it is based on the later manuscripts from the Byzantine era (Because they spoke Greek, those manuscripts are in the greatest numbers) And there are many archaic words which were right and true in the 16th century, but the word is either not used anymore or has actually changed meaning. The scholars who translated did their very best, but even the original preface for the KJV 1611, states that words and meanings change, and new versions will come along.
Besides, the essential Bible doctrines of Christ, fully God and fully man, born of a virgin, lived, did miracles, was hated by the Pharisees, and crucified on the cross for our sins, and rose on the third day to show the power of God to save all people, is the same in every Bible from the Geneva to the ESV.
That is called orthodoxy. But you do need to go back to the original languages sometimes, to conclusively prove that "The Word is God," not "The Word was a god", as the JW's say, because of the nature of the Greek language. KJV and all orthodox Bibles say the same thing. But the New World Translation perverts that verse, and that is why Greek is necessary, to show these heretics why they have been led astray. And no English version shows that as well as the Greek.
God is in the business of saving and reaching people. You can be saved reading any version, because God saves us. I had a friend who was a missionary to the Jehovah's Witnesses, having been one herself for 15 years. She was able to show from a perverted NWT that Jesus was God!
So never trouble yourself, Phil, that God is going to lose his purpose in spite of cults and heretics. The Bible is the most incredible book in the world. If your preference is the KJV or the NIV, then just read it, and God will teach you and you will grow.
P
Angela, forgive my simplifying the issue, but you can't make me believe that God had his Spirit guide men that would not take those things into consideration. I stated there were no doctrinal issues, and you haven't brought any up. I am aware of some mistakes in the bible, but there is no way the whole thing is full of errors to the point it distorts the message God meant for us to get.
I think the New World order is the American Religious Right.
It's the merging of evangelical Christians with the Republican political platform.
So that all Christianity is known for today is abortion and gay sex opposing.
Christians are known for spreading hatred (there is a few loudmouths on this forum like this).
So this drives away young Christians in the millions.
It's very fitting that a Republican: George Bush coined the phrase in public life.
Just as the majority of people on this forum makes racist remarks about Obama, and opening lie about him in contrary to the commandment not to bear false witness.
This is the New World Order, and it started with the Religious Right, and the Republican Party. Purely Satanic.
It's the merging of evangelical Christians with the Republican political platform.
So that all Christianity is known for today is abortion and gay sex opposing.
Christians are known for spreading hatred (there is a few loudmouths on this forum like this).
So this drives away young Christians in the millions.
It's very fitting that a Republican: George Bush coined the phrase in public life.
Just as the majority of people on this forum makes racist remarks about Obama, and opening lie about him in contrary to the commandment not to bear false witness.
This is the New World Order, and it started with the Religious Right, and the Republican Party. Purely Satanic.
R
Standing against abortion and speaking out against homosexuality is satanic? That is non sense. The republican party has its flaws but stands for christians a lot better than the democratic party. The democrats must have read the sins of romans 1 and decided to stand for them.
On the gun thing; if you dont like guns dont buy one. If you dont want your neighbor to have one move out of the usa.
On the gun thing; if you dont like guns dont buy one. If you dont want your neighbor to have one move out of the usa.
I just watched the opening minutes of this video and it appears they are lying right off the bat. The Pastor claims that the NIV calls Jesus the "capstone" instead of "cornerstone". When I looked at the NIV, it actually does say "cornerstone".
NIV 1 Peter 2:7
Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,"
Why should I bother investing more of my time to this vid if they are lying right in the beginning?
that's because you are using a revised version since 1984
Acts 4:11 "He is " 'the stone you builders rejected..." NIV - Online Bible Study
Acts 4:11 "He is " 'the stone you builders rejected..." NIV - Online Bible Study
R
I have studied this much. I believe the original greek can be found in the nestle aland greek new testament. Which variant is original? I am not sure but in the NA27 and now the NA28 the original can be found. I dont put all my belief in any english translation. The NIV is great for what it is but even better is the esv, and the nkjv. They have textual foot notes with variants. If you truly have a heart for this do some study. Just saying" if it not the king james it is satanic" will just get you ripped apart in a meaningful debate.