World without men?

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Fenner

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I don't want to get rid of men, but Mosquito's and flies, they carry disease and they are disgusting, so why can't science do that?
 

JimJimmers

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I don't want to get rid of men, but Mosquito's and flies, they carry disease and they are disgusting, so why can't science do that?
Funny you should mention that! Did you know only FEMALE mosquitoes bite people and animals? The boys placidly eat plant matter. :D *ducks pillows on way out*
 
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Richie_2uk

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I don't want to get rid of men, but Mosquito's and flies, they carry disease and they are disgusting, so why can't science do that?
Probably most scientist are male lol lol
 
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I'm so lost now
lets just bow our heads and pray for guidance
 
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This reminds me of the predicament male-ness faces in the modern world at large. Modern developed societies have no great need of masculine qualities any more. There may be a need, but it is often placed secondary to feminine qualities. Agricultural machinery accomplishes what masculine strength did at once. Soldiers no longer fight primarily with hand-to-hand combat. Guns are the great equalizer and can eliminate the need for a man to walk a woman home at night.

Women are given intrinsic value through their womb. Men? You need far fewer to keep a sustainable population going. The rest you can discard. When marriages end, priority for the children is given to women. The man has no opportunity to exercise his protective strength or desire to support those weaker than himself as his role in the workplace is put on even ground with that of women. Sometimes the woman supports him. He is, in effect, unnecessary. And unlike women - who are often social butterflies, men do not identify through their 'male-ness'. The masculine identity is one of pitting your strength against others' in order to prove your power as surpreme. Therefore our social roles are different. And it's only in situations of physical durress that a masculine bond can be formed between two men who can come to a mutual understanding of each other's physical prowess.

So with this lack of understanding and ability to identify with other males, this lack of intrinsic value, and the masculine becoming out-moded by modern achievements, society also tells men not to hit a woman when the woman strikes them and to sacrifice their happiness and lives for the woman in order to be 'chilvalrous' - a quality often seen as belonging to the male. What do all these characteristics engender in men today? A feeling of uselessness and powerlessness. The modern man has in effect been castrated. Then we put him down when he fails to act like a man. This is why I find feminism - or particularly any woman's reprisal of a man - to be misguided.
I think this is insightful and it mirrors some of my own feelings. I would like to add my own part if you will.

There is an epidemic of male suicide in our age, particularly men from the age of 18 to 30. And the cause is understood to be primarily an effect of what you called the loss of place for masculinity in society, but also an effect of feminized social expectations.

Men are in many ways and by many women, viewed, nowadays, ironically, not as protectors, providers or leaders, but as objects. Checklists, if you will. I have often felt myself that I am always being sized up by women I meet; for wealth, for prowess, for looks, for fatherly qualities, for a sense of humour, for compassion and caring, for leadership qualities, and collectively, this sizing up does feel like objectification. I feel worth my traits as though I am a career choice or a new pair of heels being decided on.

I also feel that society no longer affords men the type of leeway offered to women, in regards to the view that women are usually not the abusers, the guilty party, the cheaters, the misers, whatever it may be. There is, in fact, a massive prejudice in favour of women in our society. And although I don't inherently blame women for the prejudice existing, I do blame gender elitism in many women for contributing to it.

By gender elitism, I mean this; I find that a lot of girls today are brought up with what I call 'the princess complex'. Taught to feel entitled, to be smarter, brighter, more victimized and more worthy than men. For instance, look at our modern western image of the breakdown of a relationship; many times the reason is that the woman's needs are not being met or that the man does not live up to the genetic or social expectations of the woman (which I personally feel can be extraordinarily over the top). And this is reflected in statistics; We know that around 50% of marriages end in divorce, and a study conducted in the UK found that on average, since 1990, around 70% of divorces are initiated by women. A similar marriage study focused on children's parentage, and was carried out with random group testing. It showed that between 10 and 17% of children are not fathered by the husband who thinks he is the biological parent.

Not only this, but men are put at an extraordinarily high risk as far as sex and relationships go, nowadays. In marriage, men stand to lose livelihood, reputation and children should the marriage fail.

Also consider the driving force for women to be able to work in what used to be male dominated industries, with all the PC adjustments that must be made, and the reluctance of men to work in female focused industries, and that makes for an imbalance in the number of men working vs the number of women working, with women having more jobs socially available to them.

There is also this growing culture trend of social media and dating, whereby women are often desired by many men, but we know from our society that for a man to gain a relationship with a woman requires much more work than vice-versa. Simply because women are the hot commodity and men are becoming irrelevant and obsolete.

Is it any wonder then, accounting all these changes, that young men dread the future so much as to take their lives?
 
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Not only this, but men are put at an extraordinarily high risk as far as sex and relationships go, nowadays. In marriage, men stand to lose livelihood, reputation and children should the marriage fail.
This is why there can no longer be any requirement on churches or Christians to insist on marriage under secular law. I like the notion that people should get engaged, or betrothed, and leave it at that. The secular law of marriage is not a marriage law, but a divorce law in the guise of a marriage law. It cannot even be enforced in any court of law. It's utterly repugnant but the worst thing of all is that such "Christian churches" that pretend to exist condone this state of affairs. It's no wonder that people are deserting the established churches in their droves, and that the number of Christians is rapidly declining. Some are predicting that the CofE will cease to exist in a few decades. As Paul said in Rom 2;24 "For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written."
 
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Coil

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By gender elitism, I mean this; I find that a lot of girls today are brought up with what I call 'the princess complex'. Taught to feel entitled, to be smarter, brighter, more victimized and more worthy than men. For instance, look at our modern western image of the breakdown of a relationship; many times the reason is that the woman's needs are not being met or that the man does not live up to the genetic or social expectations of the woman (which I personally feel can be extraordinarily over the top).
I agree with this statement. At least in the Southern US, boys are taught to respect girls by being chivalrous, not hitting them, etc., but I never remember being taught to respect boys. This definitely favors the "princess complex."

It also doesn't help that a lot of American sitcoms have stupid, lazy, sex-crazed men as the father roles. If that's what our boys grow up watching, they'll think that's societies expectations of them.
 
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Does anyone else feel that we White Anglo Saxon men are the most repressed minority on Earth?

I swear, there isn't a day gone by where I'm held back from being a white male in society.

We are woefully unrepresented in parliament and on corporate boards.


or.... maybe not?
 
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I agree with this statement. At least in the Southern US, boys are taught to respect girls by being chivalrous, not hitting them, etc., but I never remember being taught to respect boys. This definitely favors the "princess complex."

It also doesn't help that a lot of American sitcoms have stupid, lazy, sex-crazed men as the father roles. If that's what our boys grow up watching, they'll think that's societies expectations of them.
That's completely true. In many ways, our culture gives out so many different messages on sex and relationships to young men (most of which promote the idea that men are inferior) that I think that many times, men don't know what 'men' are unless it is women who dictate it, if that makes sense. Although really, men need to find out what 'men' are, inherently, genetically, intellectually, spiritually, not what our society expects them to be or not where they stand against women.

This gender-war, as they call it, seems to be a result of a real sense of animosity towards the opposite sex, which I find quite counter-productive, particularly for the predominant desires; security, passion, understanding, belonging. I often consider this scenario; what male and female relationships might be like for a male and female who do not have expectations on one another, or consider themselves to be 'better' than the other, but instead who have a deep mutual desire to put the other before themselves (and yet NOT to expect the other to put 'me' before 'them').

The 'alpha' stereotype is often what we consider the top of the male food chain, but I find such a message to be contradictory. A forceful male by nature, alpha's are synonymous with the taking of what is desired. Such a sought after quality by the opposite sex, and yet, that same 'take-what-I-want' attitude is the manner in which men come by libel like 'abusive', 'domineering', 'controlling' etc etc and such an aura is often presented against the males' favors, particularly in courts.

It almost feels like society tells us to be a certain way and that along with the way we are taught to be, we must have a sense of deep guilt, shame and regret that we are male.

Rather than being taught to be protective, gentle, compassionate leaders who 'take the bull by the horns' in a very selfless and respectful way (ie. standing up to injustices and modelling oneself on morals, leading by example) men are taught that women are superior and women want *insert quality here*, and although being taught what women might want is not altogether a negative thing, it is the demand on males that we MUST be *insert quality here* that I find disturbing.

I know that the same goes for women in many ways; beauty, fashion, fitness, but women's general collective image is an altogether more 'pleasant' and 'refined' one than men's.

As you say, we've become stereotyped as sex-crazed, primitive apes with no self-control.
 

Immawildthing

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I like the sound of men's voices... We can't get rid of them. Who's going to lift all the heavy boxes? Who's going to move the furniture? Who's going to grow facial hair? Who's going to give me a big, strong hug in the morning? Who's going to teach my little girl how people should treat her, and protect her when they don't treat her right? Who's going to protect me? I like men..
 
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Does anyone else feel that we White Anglo Saxon men are the most repressed minority on Earth?
Certainly white anglo-saxon males have allowed themselves to be dominated and ruled by atheist-feminists for far too long - ever since the latter part of the 19th century in fact. When all this power was being given to women by our political leaders, you'll find that many of them were actually users of prostitutes and adulterers. WWI was all about emasculating the power of the Anglo-Saxon male. Later on unrestricted immigration was further used to undermine his power. This again was at the behest of atheist political leaders like Blair in the UK who has recently been caught in a sex scandal with Rupert Murdoch's wife. Blair followed Major who was also an adulterer. In the UK the government has been almost continuously atheist since WWII. It's not surprising that the UK is now lagging behind such countries as Poland and Estonia in educational league tables. When I go outside, I think I'm living somewhere in the East. Atheists can always be trusted to wreck everything. It was atheists who create the multi-trillion dollar/pound debt mountains. I just don't know why people keep on voting for them. I've never voted in my life and don't intend to start now.
 
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Anonimous

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Do people sit up all night thinking about stuff like this?
 
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Brighthouse

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Man was suppose to be a comfort to the Lord,and woman the comfort to a man. Neither seemed to work out to well! LOL hence 66 books in the Bible! For without man what struggle would women have?LOL I am making light of this of course,because being a man,i sure would have missed the company of beautiful women in my hay day. lol And today,eye candy is still nice to view, even in my older age! lol So I am glad God made man,and i sure am glad he also made women! The same need both have, is to stay thankful to the Lord who created them both! 1 thess 5:18
 

DuchessAimee

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Funny you should mention that! Did you know only FEMALE mosquitoes bite people and animals? The boys placidly eat plant matter. :D *ducks pillows on way out*



This makes sense! Women will bite, start vendettas on a whim, and draw first blood whenever it suits them. Every interesting...
 

DuchessAimee

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The Western world is trying to make up for the horrible things done to women in the past (and is still being done to women in some cases). So instead of simply correcting the course, the pendulum swung too far. Is it far to men? Of course not. Is it in the best interest of the country? Hardly. However, it's what's in motion. As Christians we must be careful not to throw temper tantrums when things don't line up biblically. Paul remarks that we cannot expect the world to respond like Christians should/would. When we throw temper tantrums it only reinforces the stuff the world says about us.
 

maxwel

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The Western world is trying to make up for the horrible things done to women in the past (and is still being done to women in some cases). So instead of simply correcting the course, the pendulum swung too far. Is it far to men? Of course not. Is it in the best interest of the country? Hardly. However, it's what's in motion. As Christians we must be careful not to throw temper tantrums when things don't line up biblically. Paul remarks that we cannot expect the world to respond like Christians should/would. When we throw temper tantrums it only reinforces the stuff the world says about us.
What have we ever done to women?
Geesh... we let you vote now.
Sometimes we even allow women into the parlor, with the men folk, to talk about politics.
I don't know WHAT women are so upset about.
Hey Aimee, could you fix me a sandwich?

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Richie_2uk

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Hmmm take Wo from man. what have you got? so if you take man out of the equation. Well there will only be Wo, LOL
Man was first created, then WOMAN was created from a rib of a man. So man lives on. Sorry, Man will always be the dominant. Man was created first. So man is here to stay. haha.
 

Fenner

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Funny you should mention that! Did you know only FEMALE mosquitoes bite people and animals? The boys placidly eat plant matter. :D *ducks pillows on way out*

I didn't know that, very interesting Jim. It's funny how the women in these bug families do all of the work. Have the babies, suck the people's and animal, blood. It's a never ending cycle. :)
 
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I like the sound of men's voices... We can't get rid of them. Who's going to lift all the heavy boxes? Who's going to move the furniture? Who's going to grow facial hair? Who's going to give me a big, strong hug in the morning? Who's going to teach my little girl how people should treat her, and protect her when they don't treat her right? Who's going to protect me? I like men..
Welcome to my list of favorite people on this website :)

Lol 'who's going to grow facial hair'.