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Jesus (bible) Vs Isa (quran)
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Jehanne
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hello what does I am The LORD and I do not change mean? Who wrote the "old" testament? was a Yesuwa mentioned then? what is a Moses? what is osmosis? what is a NOaH? did The Almighty need an up date to His book? what does shut up the words and seal the book mean? if no one on earth was found worthy to unseal the scrolls then Who does? what does YHWH tell us in Revelation 20:12?---after two days is The Passover and the son of man shall be sent up to be crucified ---remember a day to YHWH is but a thousand years and a thousand years but a day--worthy is the lamb!--from the 6th hour until the 9th hour is 3 hours hour ruoh roar! there are 3 Prayer listed in a garden for a Passover--there are 3 letters called John little children it is the last hour as you know The Anti Christ is coming there have been many anti Christs to which we know it is the last hour---the word Christ means anointed --how do retro Viruses gain their lipid layer? what is HIV?----as the Light was beginning to dawn there was a GREAT earthquake--what occurred in March of 2011? what does lo I am with you always even until the end of the age mean?---what does get all leaven out of the house mean? what is the difference between leaven and heaven? what is a free radical?----book Levi needed no up date manKIND simply had to get to the point of brain growth to be able to even begin to understand things like GENES---did any prophet of Allah ever receive prophesy from a nucleotide? the word angel means messenger---what are the four living creatures?----there is no us in Creation let Us make man--what is uricil?----there is One God One King NAME YHWH---now YHWH has prophets that does not make them above any other servant and it most certainly does not gain them any Honor.yes.j
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Jehanne
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what more would the Jesus be? where is the Jesus? why does YHWH tell us I am coming quickly? are you suggesting that a Jesus is The Almighty? why would YHWH send a prophet then for some thousands of years no more prophets? you do not know what hour The Father comes to you, do not worry what you are to speak for the words shall be given you---what does that mean? The Great White Throne is not One sitting on it? what does to the church of write mean? you don't still think one human being was murdered on a cross do you? what does Get Behind Me satan! mean? what was the mode of murder some thousands of years ago? what is water boarding? how is that done? how is lethal injection done? what is a parable? what is a manifest that is to last forever? gog magog why have you forgotten me? YHWH only forgotten son--by whom?---what is it that we give witness to?.yes.j
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leonardronaldo
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correct me if i'm wrong, but I assume you, Jehanne, are a muslima since your using the word 'allah'. Let me tell you that allah is not YHWH or the God of the Bible. It is very clear.
If you are a muslima, can you give me any single reason why any woman in the world should even consider Islam as the truth?
Secondly, would you care to ask your question in specific one by one? since what I read in your 2 posts, don't clear up any of your meaning to me.
Thanks
If you are a muslima, can you give me any single reason why any woman in the world should even consider Islam as the truth?
Secondly, would you care to ask your question in specific one by one? since what I read in your 2 posts, don't clear up any of your meaning to me.
Thanks
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ThomasLady
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Yes, the Koran says to go to war with nonbelievers, maybe focusing on Muhammad's local enemies that did not believe he was a prophet. But then again, he does sort of lump in the Jews and Christians as targets, occassionally. What I do not get, as I read an English translation of the Koran, is how the Koran can say this, yet at the same time praise Jesus so much, and testify that Jesus was speaking the Word of God. Jesus' message, unlike much of the Old Testament, is clearly one of peace. We are supposed to love our enemies, and if they attack us, turn the other cheek.
Can someone explain this contradiction in the Koran, hopefully from an educated point of view, rather than a prejudice point of view?
Can someone explain this contradiction in the Koran, hopefully from an educated point of view, rather than a prejudice point of view?
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leonardronaldo
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The Isa, in the Koran, was not speaking the word of God, rather he himself even is the word of God.
The claim of muhammad is all prophets before him were muslims. Unfortunately, all the characters (from adam's time to isa's time) in the quran (and hadith), was not the same Characters in the bible, since we can easily distinguish some differences from both the biblical story and quranic story on respective person. For example, Ibrahim, in the quran:
sura 6:76-78 was described as an (ex) worshipper of star, sun and moon, but amazingly as we see in aya 78, after realizing all the sun set, from out of nowhere and without any description, he later has a knowledge about allah. lol. but no surprise, what to expect from a 7th century poster mind.
Actually many people around muhammad have questioned muhammad himself about why allah's revelations seem contradict his own previous aya'. Muhammad, trying to save himself, 'got' another revelation explaining about abrogation, such as in : 13:38; and 2:106 (which known by most muslims as nasikh/mansoukh doctrine.
Even by then, you will still be able to find weird, strange and discrepant verses there.
OK so you are relaying the experience of one person in Saudia Arabia who is not even a resident, in one city and you are stating that is how Saudia Arabia is.
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leonardronaldo
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lol drett you didn't even finish reading my comment eh?
are you copying your prophet as illiterate or what? lol
I will let let another members of cc from saudi, then, to explain the current situation there.
In any ways, Jesus is sovereign there. amen
are you copying your prophet as illiterate or what? lol
I will let let another members of cc from saudi, then, to explain the current situation there.
In any ways, Jesus is sovereign there. amen
maybe he is relaying on my experience , I'm a Saudi citizen and from the indigenous people of Saudi ,
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leonardronaldo
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No, here's what I referred to (can be seen in post no. 57):
No, but I have Muslim friends who have worked there and told me that, although it was like almost 10 years ago.
I will let let another members of cc from saudi, then, to explain the current situation there.
In any ways, Jesus is sovereign there. amen
Blessings ya akhi aziz
is that man still around ?No, here's what I referred to (can be seen in post no. 57):
No, but I have Muslim friends who have worked there and told me that, although it was like almost 10 years ago.
I will let let another members of cc from saudi, then, to explain the current situation there.
In any ways, Jesus is sovereign there. amen
Blessings ya akhi aziz
plz let me be in contact with him I feeel sooooooooooooooooooooooo loooooooooooooooooooooooooonely here
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leonardronaldo
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which man?is that man still around ?
plz let me be in contact with him I feeel sooooooooooooooooooooooo loooooooooooooooooooooooooonely here
haven't heard of him for a while, he may not be working in Saudi anymore.
Anyway, aziz, what's with the ransom money asked by the saudi families for indonesian workers? So the worker can flee from death penalty, but families mostly ask until US$500000. Not to mention, most Indonesian female workers who accused of murder was doing self defence when she was (about to be) raped by their masters.
tha's what Sharia law stated(AL-Deyah) : if u want to flee from death penalty and the family of the murdered person agreed to do so , u can pay 100 camel or it's equivalent of money or whatever amount they ask (sometimes it reach 30,000,000 USD) to the victim's family ..otherwise u'll be executed by sword.in action called (beheading)
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leonardronaldo
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do you have the hadith? never knew about this, thanks.
more and more indonesian workers i guess will be beheaded soon (most are females which most likely they were defending from being raped).
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Chouchoute
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Hello,
In my opinion there are two main opposite points between Christianism and Islam:
1. Spread of LOVE vs. Spread of FEAR
2. GRACE vs. LAW
In my opinion there are two main opposite points between Christianism and Islam:
1. Spread of LOVE vs. Spread of FEAR
2. GRACE vs. LAW
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Fishbait
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The Catholic church requires that we do "works" to be saved.
Although 'faith without works' is in the Bible 'works' can never save us. The Bible is quite clear that our own works do not help merit salvation. We are saved “not because of righteous things we had done” (Titus 3:5). “Not by works” (Ephesians 2:9). “There is no one righteous not even one” (Romans 3:10). This means that offering sacrifices, keeping the commandments, going to church, being baptized, and other good deeds are incapable of saving anyone. No matter how “good” we are, we can never measure up to God’s standard of holiness (Romans 3:23; Matthew 19:17; Isaiah 64:6).
The Bible is just as clear that salvation is conditional; God does not save everyone. The one condition for salvation is faith in Jesus Christ. Nearly 200 times in the New Testament, faith (or belief) is declared to be the sole condition for salvation (John 1:12; Acts 16:31).
The pope said, "atheists can go do good and go to Heaven too," concluding that atheists who either "do not yet know God" or choose not to believe, "progress toward that knowledge of God by doing good." The pope also said that doing good works can get you to heaven.
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" (Romans 3:10)
Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.”
Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 4:16)
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Romans 10-9)
Salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is by baptismal regeneration and is maintained through the Catholic sacraments unless a willful act of sin is committed that breaks the state of sanctifying grace. The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace which is received through simple faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that good works are the result of a change of the heart wrought in salvation (Ephesians 2:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17) and the fruit of that new life in Christ (John 15).
Assurance of salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation cannot be guaranteed or assured. 1 John 5:13 states that the letter of 1 John was written for the purpose of assuring believers of the CERTAINTY of their salvation.
Good Works: The Roman Catholic Church states that Christians are saved by meritorious works (beginning with baptism) and that salvation is maintained by good works (receiving the sacraments, confession of sin to a priest, etc.) The Bible states that Christians are saved by grace through faith, totally apart from works (Titus 3:5; Ephesians 2:8-9; Galatians
3:10-11; Romans 3:19-24).
Prayer: The Roman Catholic Church teaches Catholics to not only pray to God, but also to petition Mary and the saints for their prayers. Contrary to this, we are taught in Scripture to only pray to God (Matthew 6:9; Luke 18:1-7).
Priesthood: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that there is a distinction between the clergy and the “lay people,” whereas the New Testament teaches the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:9).
Sacraments: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that a believer is infused with grace upon reception of the sacraments. Such teaching is nowhere found in Scripture.
Confession: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that unless a believer is hindered, the only way to receive the forgiveness of sins is by confessing them to a priest. Contrary to this, Scripture teaches that confession of sins is to be made to God (1 John 1:9).
Mary: The Roman Catholic Church teaches, among other things, that Mary is the Queen of Heaven, a perpetual virgin, and the co-redemptress who ascended into heaven. In Scripture, she is portrayed as an obedient, believing servant of God, who became the mother of Jesus. None of the other attributes mentioned by the Roman Catholic Church have any basis in the Bible. The idea of Mary being the co-redemptress and another mediator between God and man is not only extra-biblical (found only outside of Scripture), but is also unbiblical (contrary to Scripture). Acts 4:12 declares that Jesus is the only redeemer. 1 Timothy 2:5 proclaims that Jesus is the only mediator between God and men.
Many other examples could be given. These issues alone clearly identify the Catholic Church as being unbiblical. Every Christian denomination has traditions and practices that are not explicitly based on Scripture. That is why Scripture must be the standard of Christian faith and practice. The Word of God is always true and reliable. The same cannot be said of church tradition. Our guideline is to be: “What does Scripture say?” (Romans 4:3; Galatians 4:30; Acts 17:11). 2 Timothy 3:16-17 declares, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
Although 'faith without works' is in the Bible 'works' can never save us. The Bible is quite clear that our own works do not help merit salvation. We are saved “not because of righteous things we had done” (Titus 3:5). “Not by works” (Ephesians 2:9). “There is no one righteous not even one” (Romans 3:10). This means that offering sacrifices, keeping the commandments, going to church, being baptized, and other good deeds are incapable of saving anyone. No matter how “good” we are, we can never measure up to God’s standard of holiness (Romans 3:23; Matthew 19:17; Isaiah 64:6).
The Bible is just as clear that salvation is conditional; God does not save everyone. The one condition for salvation is faith in Jesus Christ. Nearly 200 times in the New Testament, faith (or belief) is declared to be the sole condition for salvation (John 1:12; Acts 16:31).
The pope said, "atheists can go do good and go to Heaven too," concluding that atheists who either "do not yet know God" or choose not to believe, "progress toward that knowledge of God by doing good." The pope also said that doing good works can get you to heaven.
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" (Romans 3:10)
Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.”
Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 4:16)
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Romans 10-9)
Salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is by baptismal regeneration and is maintained through the Catholic sacraments unless a willful act of sin is committed that breaks the state of sanctifying grace. The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace which is received through simple faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that good works are the result of a change of the heart wrought in salvation (Ephesians 2:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17) and the fruit of that new life in Christ (John 15).
Assurance of salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation cannot be guaranteed or assured. 1 John 5:13 states that the letter of 1 John was written for the purpose of assuring believers of the CERTAINTY of their salvation.
Good Works: The Roman Catholic Church states that Christians are saved by meritorious works (beginning with baptism) and that salvation is maintained by good works (receiving the sacraments, confession of sin to a priest, etc.) The Bible states that Christians are saved by grace through faith, totally apart from works (Titus 3:5; Ephesians 2:8-9; Galatians
3:10-11; Romans 3:19-24).
Prayer: The Roman Catholic Church teaches Catholics to not only pray to God, but also to petition Mary and the saints for their prayers. Contrary to this, we are taught in Scripture to only pray to God (Matthew 6:9; Luke 18:1-7).
Priesthood: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that there is a distinction between the clergy and the “lay people,” whereas the New Testament teaches the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:9).
Sacraments: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that a believer is infused with grace upon reception of the sacraments. Such teaching is nowhere found in Scripture.
Confession: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that unless a believer is hindered, the only way to receive the forgiveness of sins is by confessing them to a priest. Contrary to this, Scripture teaches that confession of sins is to be made to God (1 John 1:9).
Mary: The Roman Catholic Church teaches, among other things, that Mary is the Queen of Heaven, a perpetual virgin, and the co-redemptress who ascended into heaven. In Scripture, she is portrayed as an obedient, believing servant of God, who became the mother of Jesus. None of the other attributes mentioned by the Roman Catholic Church have any basis in the Bible. The idea of Mary being the co-redemptress and another mediator between God and man is not only extra-biblical (found only outside of Scripture), but is also unbiblical (contrary to Scripture). Acts 4:12 declares that Jesus is the only redeemer. 1 Timothy 2:5 proclaims that Jesus is the only mediator between God and men.
Many other examples could be given. These issues alone clearly identify the Catholic Church as being unbiblical. Every Christian denomination has traditions and practices that are not explicitly based on Scripture. That is why Scripture must be the standard of Christian faith and practice. The Word of God is always true and reliable. The same cannot be said of church tradition. Our guideline is to be: “What does Scripture say?” (Romans 4:3; Galatians 4:30; Acts 17:11). 2 Timothy 3:16-17 declares, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
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biscuit
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Most of the Koran was based on the OT because Mohammed was illiterate and was very dependent on Jewish rabbis to read & translate the OT for him. And the NT was badly twisted into an anti-Christian movement.
Translation: Without the OT & NT there would be no Koran.
Translation: Without the OT & NT there would be no Koran.
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MarkMulder
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Actually, >75% of the Koran is based upon one Biblical Book, The Book of Revelation.
Agreed...