King James vs niv

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Blain

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So I talked recently with a friend of mine about the Kjv people and their beliefs vs my own bible and beliefs. Now don't get me wrong the KJV is amazing but I could not see it better than my own bible. and his answer was very interesting. He said he can understand where they are coming from because of how it is Old English I think he said, but also said that he believes the same as me. That the KjV is not the only true bible.
And recently I experienced Proof I was right, or at least proof to me. I was in a very desperate and sad state. I had almost given up hope because of how my strength and faith was fading and needed a miracle. then for some reason I felt the need to read Job, I had not read this book in many months. as I read his story something clicked inside me, I was suddenly free of sadness and weakness. I felt for the first time in a long time Alive. God spoke to me in that book, and saved me from despair.

So if in fact the KJV is the only legit Bible, then that would not have happened to me now would it? I heard some people say any bible other than the KJV is satanic, and this so called satanic book saved me and gave me a new song to sin in my heart.

Okeydokey then, King James people your move. lol I'm just kidding but can anyone find any proof to prove me wrong?
 

breno785au

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Unfounded human logic cannot compete with spiritual matters. I love both Kingo's and my NLT. I read NLT mostly and almost everytime I can feel the word washing over my spirit and peace enter my soul. Holy Spirit also speaks and gives me understanding whilst reading NLT so I don't know what these KJV onlyist are on about, its not even worth effort or time when you know what God does through it. Whenever I read I like to read over different translations at times including KJV almost everytime. God bless you brother
 
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Oh no...not another one of these threads. *hides in a nearby fort*
 
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I do not own a KJV, I have a beautiful NIV study bible and that is what I feel is right for me...at the end of the day, we all know what the message of Christ is and what we are to believe in for eternal life...and at the end of our earthly days, we will not be taking our bibles with us and I doubt God will ask us nor will He care which bible we read while we were here....all the debate is so ridiculous..just sayin'
 
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letti

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Blain,KJV,is just another bible,don't waste time listening to any of the KJV hype.Really it's a distracting waste of time.salvation is not dependent on only using only a KJV,neither is a better relationship with Jesus.
 
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So I talked recently with a friend of mine about the Kjv people and their beliefs vs my own bible and beliefs. Now don't get me wrong the KJV is amazing but I could not see it better than my own bible. and his answer was very interesting. He said he can understand where they are coming from because of how it is Old English I think he said, but also said that he believes the same as me. That the KjV is not the only true bible.
And recently I experienced Proof I was right, or at least proof to me. I was in a very desperate and sad state. I had almost given up hope because of how my strength and faith was fading and needed a miracle. then for some reason I felt the need to read Job, I had not read this book in many months. as I read his story something clicked inside me, I was suddenly free of sadness and weakness. I felt for the first time in a long time Alive. God spoke to me in that book, and saved me from despair.

So if in fact the KJV is the only legit Bible, then that would not have happened to me now would it? I heard some people say any bible other than the KJV is satanic, and this so called satanic book saved me and gave me a new song to sin in my heart.

Okeydokey then, King James people your move. lol I'm just kidding but can anyone find any proof to prove me wrong?
First of all, I'm not a KJV-Onlyist, but I will say that while you may have experienced conviction while delving into Scripture, you cannot then proceed to ask, "Can anyone find any proof to prove me wrong?"

Conviction may be evidence to you, but it is not permissible evidence to everyone. If I came along with the utmost disgusting heresy, and argued, "Well, I know I'm right, because God told me," then how on earth do you expect anyone to refute that? Anyone can claim direct revelation from God, and while the experience may have persuaded you, you cannot expect it to persuade everyone, especially a KJV-Onlyist.
 
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The Bible says that eventually there will be a Christianity on earth that will be based on nature worship that exalts man that will be the fundamental Christianity on earth that all religions will accept for Jesus is not the Savior but a teacher of truth as well as other teachers(1 Timothy 4).

So while people may want to debate over the different versions of the Bible eventually there will be a version that supports the New Age Religion and how does people know that the other versions like the NIV are not leading up to that version by slowly changing things.
 
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The Bible says that eventually there will be a Christianity on earth that will be based on nature worship that exalts man that will be the fundamental Christianity on earth that all religions will accept for Jesus is not the Savior but a teacher of truth as well as other teachers(1 Timothy 4).

So while people may want to debate over the different versions of the Bible eventually there will be a version that supports the New Age Religion and how does people know that the other versions like the NIV are not leading up to that version by slowly changing things.
Allow me to rip right into this argument, because it is the most ludicrous statement I've heard in a long time.

The KJV is a whole lot different than any single one of our earliest mss, and remarkably, the first Bible of its kind. The pilgrims detested the KJV, because it was a "new version." They were equivalent to what the KJV-Onlyists are today, but rather, Geneva Bible-Onlyists.

Since about the the first seven centuries the text of Scripture has changed over time, of which the KJV is a byproduct. The KJV/TR has unique readings not found in any other mss in the world. Do you really want to talk about New Age Bibles? Then let's talk about the KJV.

Anyone competent of NT textual studies can see right through this argument.
It's bad... real bad.
 
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ChosenbyHim

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Blain,KJV,is just another bible,don't waste time listening to any of the KJV hype.Really it's a distracting waste of time.salvation is not dependent on only using only a KJV,neither is a better relationship with Jesus.

Hi there Letti, first of all the Bible Version Issue is one of the most important issues facing the church today. It is not a waste of time. And it is not hype either.

And while the Bible Version Issue is not a Salvation Issue, keep in mind though, that it is a Doctrinal Issue. And one of the very first and primary purposes for the written Scripture is Doctrine:


2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


And key Doctrines are weakened, perverted, and destroyed in the modern versions. Also the modern versions attack the person and deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. To see some of the blatant attacks made on the Lord Jesus Christ and His Deity, you can click on the link below:



Modern Vatican Versions continue to Degrade the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ
 

Apostol2013

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Did you know that Zondervan publishers (who publish the New international Version of the Bible) is owned by Harper Collins? Harper Collins also publishes The Joy of Gay Sex and The Satanic Bible. Tragically, many professed Christians know this yet continue to use their corrupted NIV bible. Oh how apostate America has become when even it's professed Christians are using corrupted Bibles that blasphemy and dishonor the Lord Jesus Christ. It is absolute blasphemy what the NIV translators did to Philippians 2:6...
King James Bible: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
New International Version: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,"
Verse 5 makes it clear that this Scripture is speaking about Jesus Christ, "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" The NIV butchers have gone 180 degrees the opposite direction of the truth by saying that Jesus couldn't grasp equality with God. The Bible teaches that Jesus is not only equal with God, but Jesus is Almighty God. In fact, Jesus self-proclaimed Himself as Almighty God in Revelation 1:8, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Jesus said that a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit. There is NO WAY that the Satanic bible can live in harmony with God's Word. There is NO WAY that God would preserve His word (as He promised in Psalm 12:6-8) through a company which also sells a book on how to have enjoyable gay sex. It's sickening in the name of decency. Yet, foolish immature believers promote and continue to use the perverted NIV.
If you are using a NIV, you need to toss it into your garbage pail and beg God to forgive you for using a Satan-inspired counterfeit bible.
 

Apostol2013

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i thought i share c something i read a while back
 

Apostol2013

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The NIV and NASB are the same bibles as the Jehovah Witnesses' NWT


Good morning . Id like to ask all of the readers who use the NIV as their final authority if they consider the Rusellites, better known as the Jehovah's witnesses, a cult, or do you call them your brothers? The reason why I'm asking this question is because I'd like to show the NIV reader who believes JW's are deceived just what he is up against if he tries to preach to them using the NIV. Id also like to show why it is that so many people are calling these deniers of the truth about Jesus 'brothers in Christ.' I shall be able to show both of these points at the same time, for I will prove that there is very little difference between the NIV and the Jehovah Witness' bible. When a JW says 'the bible' he means The New World Translation. According to the 1984 Edition of the New World Translation, in the forward by the New World Bible Translation Committee, June 1, 1984, it describes all of the revisions that they've made over the years. This committee reveals itself to us clearly, when it states, and I quote
"In 1969 the Committee released 'The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, which presented under the Greek text revised by Westcott And Hort (1984 reprint) a literal word for word translation into English"
Now we have here the open admission that the New World Bible Translation Committee used these corrupt texts penned by these two corrupt and unfaithful men. Note also that they say 'a translation of THE Greek Scriptures' as if there were only one set of Greek texts. They certainly wouldn't mention the Textus Receptus to these poor followers of Russell and Rutherford. For if they knew there was another word out there that contradicted their own, they would KNOW BELIEVE and UNDERSTAND as it says in Isaiah 43:10 that Jesus most assuredly DID say WHO HE WAS. John 8:58 says "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. "
The Rusellites have distorted these beautiful and simple words of our Lord into "Jesus said to them: Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I HAVE BEEN."
People, I hope you heard that. I HAVE BEEN? My GOD is not a HAVE BEEN! When Moses was on the mount before God, and asked Him what to tell the people when they asked who God was, Did God say 'I HAVE BEEN THAT I HAVE BEEN?' NO!!! Did he tell Moses to tell them "I HAVE BEEN HATH SENT THEE'? NO!! The word of God in Exodus 3:14 says And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And by the way, do you think "before Abraham came into existence" is easier to understand than "before Abraham was"?
Anyway, if the I AM in Hebrews 8;58 is changed, the reference to exodus 3:14 is LOST, and anyone reading it that way will not know that Jesus is the I AM in John 8:58 and the SAME I AM that spoke to Moses from the burning bush.
People listen carefully and hear what the New World Translation gives to the people in their version of exodus 3:14! "At this God said to Moses; "I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE"! And he added "this is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, 'I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to you.'"
Oh my!! Isaiah 8:20 of the King James bible is the first verse that comes to mind, for it says "To the Law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." The lights are out for sure on this one, people!
Another thing about the new world translation I'd like to point out to you is that it contradicts itself concerning their Jehovah and their Jesus. In Deuteronomy 32:39 of the NWT, it says "see that now I - I am he, And there are no gods together with me. ..." But in John 1:1 of the NWT, it says, "In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God and the Word was a god." Hear the contradiction? are there no gods together with him, or is there a god with him?
Now, NIV reader, or NASB reader, or even Catholic New American Bible readers, this question is for you...what if you were faced with the situation of having to PROVE to any Jehovah's Witness that Jesus Christ is truly God? Lets find out. If you were to quote the following verses to a JW, by the time it was all over you might be asking yourself if YOU aren't a JW and just didn't know it!
In the NWT of Luke 2:33 we read this: "And ITS FATHER and mother continued wondering at the things being spoken about IT." In the NIV of Luke 2:33, we read the following: "The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him."
And finally, let us hear the word of God, Luke 2:33 "And JOSEPH and his mother marveled at those things which were spoken of him." (KJV)
Wow folks did you hear that? The NIV and the NWT BOTH say 'father' instead of JOSEPH. Is Joseph Jesus' father? NO!! If he were, Jesus would not be the only BEGOTTEN Son of God. The NWT makes it even worse by calling HIM, Jesus, and "IT". (IT?? Is this for the benefit of those freaks out there who think Jesus is an extra-terrestrial?) Speaking of Begotten, lets look at John 1:18 for a moment.
The NWT of John 1:18 reads: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."
Let me point out that the 'only begotten god' is with a small 'g', which helps out the Rusellite position that Jesus is just a 'little god'.
Now lets look at the NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]"
Look at that! The NASB has a begotten God too. Granted, this 'god' gets a capital 'G', but unless I forgot how to count, I see TWO GODS here!!
The NIV changes this ever so slightly, so as to give the illusion it is not in agreement with these. "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, [5] [6] who is at the Father's side, has made him known." See? only God the one and only has seen God. Looks like two gods in the NIV too.
Finally people, let us hear the word of God, John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
Amen!
Lets now compare 1Timothy 3:16
The NWT says "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..." The NIV says "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE [6] appeared in a body..."
HE? HE WHO?? Did you know that in the doctrines of the New Age movement, they say that 'Christ' really means 'Christ Consciousness' and that this is something any person can achieve for themselves? They further state that several people managed to have the "Christ consciousness', including Buddha, Confucius, Jesus, and Mohammed. So, for the New Ager, the either of the two modern versions quoted here would be suitable for them, because neither of them make the designation of who HE is...HE could be ANYBODY!! The NIV even further magnifies this new age belief by stating that this undesignated "HE" just APPEARED in a Body! The JW has no problem denying Jesus is God here because there is no designation for HE in the NWT either. Finally, The KJB says "Without Controversy great is the mystery of godliness...GOD was manifest in the flesh..."
Every one of these new versions says "HE" instead of GOD. Is there any doubt about WHO was manifest in the flesh, when one is reading the King James Bible? JESUS was the flesh of God...GOD was manifest in the flesh, not some unnamable "HE" (which the New Agers call the "unknown and unknowable") and certainly not Buddha or Krishna or Confucius like the New Age would have us believe! There are hundreds of other verses where 'Jesus' or 'Lord' or 'Christ' or 'God' has been replaced with 'HE', including Acts 4:24, and Mark 13:6. And, people, don't go looking in the new versions for the Godhead, because he's NOT THERE!!
There are three references to the word 'Godhead' in scripture. Acts 17:29, Col 2:9, and Rom.1:20 The NWT and NIV are IDENTICAL in their changing of the word Godhead into DIVINE BEING. Let me point out that its no surprise that the Rutherford version changes this, as they are deniers of Jesus anyway. But why does the NIV read identically? Why? because people they used the SAME CORRUPT TEXTS!! The same spirit that questioned and changed God's word clear back in the garden is in these modern versions. The same spirit of antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son, dwells in these perverted "bibles"!!
Lets move on now to Ephesians 3:9. There is a key piece of information REMOVED from this verse in the new versions.
The NWT of Eph 3:9 reads:" And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."
The NIV reads: Ephesians 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."
The NASB and the Catholic NAB are also missing the same key piece of information. What information is that? Lets see what the word of God tells us:
The KJB says: Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."
There it is people. 'By Jesus Christ' is the information missing from the new versions. We know from the true word of God, that Christ made all things, and NOTHING was made without him. (John 1:3, KJB)
Another place where the new versions agree with each other, including the NWT, and disagree with the King James Bible is in Philippians 2:6:
The NWT says "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV says "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped."
Now lets look at these two carefully. They appear to be different, but they are both making the same statement. The NWT says "gave no consideration...that he should be equal to God"...and the NIV says "did not consider equality...something to be grasped." Both of these version say he did NOT consider himself equal with GOD or even able to 'grasp' or 'seize' such a notion. But listen to the Word of God, people, for it again leaves no doubt about who Jesus said he was.
The King James says, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
Jesus did NOT consider it ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL. Its not that he DID NOT CONSIDER being equal with God...but considered it NOT ROBBERY to BE EQUAL with God. So it boils down to, to be, or not to be...that IS the question! And the King James Bible has THE ANSWER!!
So the new version reader who believes the Jehovah's witness is deceived, by now must be able to see that these are in agreement with each other. A clever JW, and they are clever, could use this agreement between bibles as an opportunity to sway someone to Kingdom hall. All he would have to do is say, See? we believe the same thing. Our bibles tell us so!
Finally dear readers, let's look at one more verse. This verse is from the glorious book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Hear how the new versions, including the NWT butcher this one:
The NWT says in Revelation 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."
The NIV says "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."
The NASB says "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches."
But the KJB says " Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches..."
Now, because the Jehovah's witnesses openly and publicly deny Jesus Christ is God, its not a big mystery why they would wrench 'Alpha and Omega' from the scriptures. What about the others? What purpose would they have to hide the fact that Jesus Christ is God? Perhaps it was because the men behind the Greek texts ALSO publicly denied Jesus Christ is God. The translators of the NIV were sodomites, heretics, and obviously staunch ecumenists. This ecumenism has swept the world. How? The modern perversions! So, NIV, NASB and other modern version readers, the next time a JW comes knocking on your door, will you have any other choice but to slam the door in their faces? Did you know that ALL of the verses that are completely OMITTED and wiped out from the NWT are ALSO completely wiped out from the NIV? Verses like Matt 18:11, Luke 17:36, Romans 16:24, 1John 5:7, and many many others? You couldn't preach to them the true doctrines of Christ and try to win them to the truth! The bibles you and they use are from the SAME Greek texts created by the SAME men who say the SAME things against our Lord, our God, Jesus Christ. I sincerely hope you will take up a study between the New world translation and the other modern versions. Add it to your list of bibles in agreement with you and against the King James Bible. If you say the JW's are deceived, maybe even a cult, yo
u are correct. But you will never be able to prove it using the modern bibles.
 
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Did you know that Zondervan publishers (who publish the New international Version of the Bible) is owned by Harper Collins? Harper Collins also publishes The Joy of Gay Sex and The Satanic Bible. Tragically, many professed Christians know this yet continue to use their corrupted NIV bible. Oh how apostate America has become when even it's professed Christians are using corrupted Bibles that blasphemy and dishonor the Lord Jesus Christ. It is absolute blasphemy what the NIV translators did to Philippians 2:6...
King James Bible: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
New International Version: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,"
Verse 5 makes it clear that this Scripture is speaking about Jesus Christ, "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" The NIV butchers have gone 180 degrees the opposite direction of the truth by saying that Jesus couldn't grasp equality with God. The Bible teaches that Jesus is not only equal with God, but Jesus is Almighty God. In fact, Jesus self-proclaimed Himself as Almighty God in Revelation 1:8, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Jesus said that a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit. There is NO WAY that the Satanic bible can live in harmony with God's Word. There is NO WAY that God would preserve His word (as He promised in Psalm 12:6-8) through a company which also sells a book on how to have enjoyable gay sex. It's sickening in the name of decency.
Agreed with you, right until about this point here! :D

Then you seemed to go a bit extremist.

Yet, foolish immature believers promote and continue to use the perverted NIV.
If you are using a NIV, you need to toss it into your garbage pail and beg God to forgive you for using a Satan-inspired counterfeit bible.
Sure, I believe the NIV is part of a conspiracy to dilute and twist the truth, as I believe other versions (probably even KJ inventing the KJV to use in place of the Geneva) had other Godless agendas. However, I think calling believers who continue to use the NIV foolish and immature a bit excessive. Nor have I thrown my old NIVs into the garbage - they still contain the gospel message, although we do need to be careful with doctrines using this version (as with all versions).

These things said, I really hate the 2011 or whatever it is NIV. I grew up with an '84 (?) NIV, but the 2011 one feels like it's had the truth extracted. Reading the 2011 was the reason I left NIV for KJV. 'Though I'd sooner have Geneva than a KJV. Maybe one day... :D
 
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OP, if a certain translation touched your heart where another one failed, then you might quickly notice that if you go back to the translation that failed, it is suddenly re-opened and might give you even more.

I usually read KJV, but I bounce around between a couple of others too. I feel that since I have them all at my disposal, it's almost mandatory.

The icing is the only part you focus on until you get a bite of the cake without the icing.
Then on the third bite you notice both of them together and then that's some pretty good cake.
 
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The NIV and NASB are the same bibles as the Jehovah Witnesses' NWT


Good morning . Id like to ask all of the readers who use the NIV as their final authority if they consider the Rusellites, better known as the Jehovah's witnesses, a cult, or do you call them your brothers? The reason why I'm asking this question is because I'd like to show the NIV reader who believes JW's are deceived just what he is up against if he tries to preach to them using the NIV. Id also like to show why it is that so many people are calling these deniers of the truth about Jesus 'brothers in Christ.' I shall be able to show both of these points at the same time, for I will prove that there is very little difference between the NIV and the Jehovah Witness' bible. When a JW says 'the bible' he means The New World Translation. According to the 1984 Edition of the New World Translation, in the forward by the New World Bible Translation Committee, June 1, 1984, it describes all of the revisions that they've made over the years. This committee reveals itself to us clearly, when it states, and I quote
"In 1969 the Committee released 'The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, which presented under the Greek text revised by Westcott And Hort (1984 reprint) a literal word for word translation into English"
Now we have here the open admission that the New World Bible Translation Committee used these corrupt texts penned by these two corrupt and unfaithful men. Note also that they say 'a translation of THE Greek Scriptures' as if there were only one set of Greek texts. They certainly wouldn't mention the Textus Receptus to these poor followers of Russell and Rutherford. For if they knew there was another word out there that contradicted their own, they would KNOW BELIEVE and UNDERSTAND as it says in Isaiah 43:10 that Jesus most assuredly DID say WHO HE WAS. John 8:58 says "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. "
The Rusellites have distorted these beautiful and simple words of our Lord into "Jesus said to them: Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I HAVE BEEN."
People, I hope you heard that. I HAVE BEEN? My GOD is not a HAVE BEEN! When Moses was on the mount before God, and asked Him what to tell the people when they asked who God was, Did God say 'I HAVE BEEN THAT I HAVE BEEN?' NO!!! Did he tell Moses to tell them "I HAVE BEEN HATH SENT THEE'? NO!! The word of God in Exodus 3:14 says And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And by the way, do you think "before Abraham came into existence" is easier to understand than "before Abraham was"?
Anyway, if the I AM in Hebrews 8;58 is changed, the reference to exodus 3:14 is LOST, and anyone reading it that way will not know that Jesus is the I AM in John 8:58 and the SAME I AM that spoke to Moses from the burning bush.
People listen carefully and hear what the New World Translation gives to the people in their version of exodus 3:14! "At this God said to Moses; "I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE"! And he added "this is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, 'I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to you.'"
Oh my!! Isaiah 8:20 of the King James bible is the first verse that comes to mind, for it says "To the Law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." The lights are out for sure on this one, people!
Another thing about the new world translation I'd like to point out to you is that it contradicts itself concerning their Jehovah and their Jesus. In Deuteronomy 32:39 of the NWT, it says "see that now I - I am he, And there are no gods together with me. ..." But in John 1:1 of the NWT, it says, "In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God and the Word was a god." Hear the contradiction? are there no gods together with him, or is there a god with him?
Now, NIV reader, or NASB reader, or even Catholic New American Bible readers, this question is for you...what if you were faced with the situation of having to PROVE to any Jehovah's Witness that Jesus Christ is truly God? Lets find out. If you were to quote the following verses to a JW, by the time it was all over you might be asking yourself if YOU aren't a JW and just didn't know it!
In the NWT of Luke 2:33 we read this: "And ITS FATHER and mother continued wondering at the things being spoken about IT." In the NIV of Luke 2:33, we read the following: "The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him."
And finally, let us hear the word of God, Luke 2:33 "And JOSEPH and his mother marveled at those things which were spoken of him." (KJV)
Wow folks did you hear that? The NIV and the NWT BOTH say 'father' instead of JOSEPH. Is Joseph Jesus' father? NO!! If he were, Jesus would not be the only BEGOTTEN Son of God. The NWT makes it even worse by calling HIM, Jesus, and "IT". (IT?? Is this for the benefit of those freaks out there who think Jesus is an extra-terrestrial?) Speaking of Begotten, lets look at John 1:18 for a moment.
The NWT of John 1:18 reads: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."
Let me point out that the 'only begotten god' is with a small 'g', which helps out the Rusellite position that Jesus is just a 'little god'.
Now lets look at the NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]"
Look at that! The NASB has a begotten God too. Granted, this 'god' gets a capital 'G', but unless I forgot how to count, I see TWO GODS here!!
The NIV changes this ever so slightly, so as to give the illusion it is not in agreement with these. "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, [5] [6] who is at the Father's side, has made him known." See? only God the one and only has seen God. Looks like two gods in the NIV too.
Finally people, let us hear the word of God, John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
Amen!
Lets now compare 1Timothy 3:16
The NWT says "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..." The NIV says "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE [6] appeared in a body..."
HE? HE WHO?? Did you know that in the doctrines of the New Age movement, they say that 'Christ' really means 'Christ Consciousness' and that this is something any person can achieve for themselves? They further state that several people managed to have the "Christ consciousness', including Buddha, Confucius, Jesus, and Mohammed. So, for the New Ager, the either of the two modern versions quoted here would be suitable for them, because neither of them make the designation of who HE is...HE could be ANYBODY!! The NIV even further magnifies this new age belief by stating that this undesignated "HE" just APPEARED in a Body! The JW has no problem denying Jesus is God here because there is no designation for HE in the NWT either. Finally, The KJB says "Without Controversy great is the mystery of godliness...GOD was manifest in the flesh..."
Every one of these new versions says "HE" instead of GOD. Is there any doubt about WHO was manifest in the flesh, when one is reading the King James Bible? JESUS was the flesh of God...GOD was manifest in the flesh, not some unnamable "HE" (which the New Agers call the "unknown and unknowable") and certainly not Buddha or Krishna or Confucius like the New Age would have us believe! There are hundreds of other verses where 'Jesus' or 'Lord' or 'Christ' or 'God' has been replaced with 'HE', including Acts 4:24, and Mark 13:6. And, people, don't go looking in the new versions for the Godhead, because he's NOT THERE!!
There are three references to the word 'Godhead' in scripture. Acts 17:29, Col 2:9, and Rom.1:20 The NWT and NIV are IDENTICAL in their changing of the word Godhead into DIVINE BEING. Let me point out that its no surprise that the Rutherford version changes this, as they are deniers of Jesus anyway. But why does the NIV read identically? Why? because people they used the SAME CORRUPT TEXTS!! The same spirit that questioned and changed God's word clear back in the garden is in these modern versions. The same spirit of antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son, dwells in these perverted "bibles"!!
Lets move on now to Ephesians 3:9. There is a key piece of information REMOVED from this verse in the new versions.
The NWT of Eph 3:9 reads:" And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."
The NIV reads: Ephesians 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."
The NASB and the Catholic NAB are also missing the same key piece of information. What information is that? Lets see what the word of God tells us:
The KJB says: Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."
There it is people. 'By Jesus Christ' is the information missing from the new versions. We know from the true word of God, that Christ made all things, and NOTHING was made without him. (John 1:3, KJB)
Another place where the new versions agree with each other, including the NWT, and disagree with the King James Bible is in Philippians 2:6:
The NWT says "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV says "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped."
Now lets look at these two carefully. They appear to be different, but they are both making the same statement. The NWT says "gave no consideration...that he should be equal to God"...and the NIV says "did not consider equality...something to be grasped." Both of these version say he did NOT consider himself equal with GOD or even able to 'grasp' or 'seize' such a notion. But listen to the Word of God, people, for it again leaves no doubt about who Jesus said he was.
The King James says, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
Jesus did NOT consider it ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL. Its not that he DID NOT CONSIDER being equal with God...but considered it NOT ROBBERY to BE EQUAL with God. So it boils down to, to be, or not to be...that IS the question! And the King James Bible has THE ANSWER!!
So the new version reader who believes the Jehovah's witness is deceived, by now must be able to see that these are in agreement with each other. A clever JW, and they are clever, could use this agreement between bibles as an opportunity to sway someone to Kingdom hall. All he would have to do is say, See? we believe the same thing. Our bibles tell us so!
Finally dear readers, let's look at one more verse. This verse is from the glorious book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Hear how the new versions, including the NWT butcher this one:
The NWT says in Revelation 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."
The NIV says "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."
The NASB says "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches."
But the KJB says " Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches..."
Now, because the Jehovah's witnesses openly and publicly deny Jesus Christ is God, its not a big mystery why they would wrench 'Alpha and Omega' from the scriptures. What about the others? What purpose would they have to hide the fact that Jesus Christ is God? Perhaps it was because the men behind the Greek texts ALSO publicly denied Jesus Christ is God. The translators of the NIV were sodomites, heretics, and obviously staunch ecumenists. This ecumenism has swept the world. How? The modern perversions! So, NIV, NASB and other modern version readers, the next time a JW comes knocking on your door, will you have any other choice but to slam the door in their faces? Did you know that ALL of the verses that are completely OMITTED and wiped out from the NWT are ALSO completely wiped out from the NIV? Verses like Matt 18:11, Luke 17:36, Romans 16:24, 1John 5:7, and many many others? You couldn't preach to them the true doctrines of Christ and try to win them to the truth! The bibles you and they use are from the SAME Greek texts created by the SAME men who say the SAME things against our Lord, our God, Jesus Christ. I sincerely hope you will take up a study between the New world translation and the other modern versions. Add it to your list of bibles in agreement with you and against the King James Bible. If you say the JW's are deceived, maybe even a cult, yo
u are correct. But you will never be able to prove it using the modern bibles.
Haha! This is so silly. I'm sick of these KJV-only topics. We've only had about a hundred of them.
 
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Hi there Letti, first of all the Bible Version Issue is one of the most important issues facing the church today. It is not a waste of time. And it is not hype either.

And while the Bible Version Issue is not a Salvation Issue, keep in mind though, that it is a Doctrinal Issue. And one of the very first and primary purposes for the written Scripture is Doctrine:


2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


And key Doctrines are weakened, perverted, and destroyed in the modern versions. Also the modern versions attack the person and deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. To see some of the blatant attacks made on the Lord Jesus Christ and His Deity, you can click on the link below:



Modern Vatican Versions continue to Degrade the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ

For the past five years my primary emphasis of study has been centered in the Deity of Christ, and with that area of focus comes with it the study of textual criticism.

Just because a particular truth is not expounded upon in a given passage, does not mean that the translation is suspect to attacking that particular truth. The translation would only be suspect if all the passages that affirm Christ’s deity are in some way attacked. Sure, there are passages in the KJV that attest to the Deity of Christ that modern translations do not, but the opposite also holds true. In fact, I would argue that our modern versions (and subsequently the underlying Greek mss) attest to the Deity of Christ more frequently than the traditional KJV. Ironically enough, KJV passages affirming the Deity of Christ (i.e., 1 Timothy 3.16, 1 John 3.16) are far, far less superior, textually, to those attested in our modern versions. Some of those examples include, but are not limited to,

Acts 16.1-7 - The fluidity of language when it comes to speaking of the Holy Spirit (“having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia”), and the Spirit of Jesus (“When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to”) suggests that the author regarded the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit of Christ as one pneumatological unit. The implications of this are huge; however, when utilizing the KJV there is no such connection.

1 Peter 3.14-15 – The authors of the New Testament often utilize κύριος to refer to one’s master or sovereign, and is used as a title of honor in which a subservient may greet their master (1 Peter 3.6). However, κύριος is also the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew Adonai, a term Jews would speak aloud when citing Old Testament texts which make mention of the Divine Name. This phenomenon is seen also in copies of the LXX/Septuagint, where κύριος is used as a surrogate for the Tetragrammaton. The evidence is unequivocal that this was also the practice of the New Testament authors, since they also use κύριος in place of the Divine Name when citing Old Testament texts.

While the author does distinguish the Father from the Son (1 Peter 1.3), he also has several unique things to say about the Son that should not go overlooked. Like other authors of the NT, Peter refers to Christ in such a way that identifies Christ as the LORD of the Old Testament.

Here at 1 Peter 3.14-15 the author alludes to an OT text in such a way that ascribes to the holiness of YHWH to Christ,

1 Peter 3.14-15, “But do not fear what they fear, or be in dread, but honor Christ the Lord as holy” (τὸν δὲ φόβον αὐτῶν μὴ φοβηθῆτε μηδὲ ταραχθῆτε, κύριον δὲ τὸν Χριστὸν ἁγιάσατε)

Isaiah 8.12-13 LXX, “But do not fear what it fears, or be in dread; honor the Lord himself as holy” (τὸν δὲ φόβον αὐτοῦ οὐ μὴ φοβηθῆτε οὐδὲ μὴ ταραχθῆτε, κύριον αὐτὸν ἁγιάσατε)


The KJV makes no mention of Christ here, but rather, the “Lord God.”


Also worth mentioning are Jude 5, John 14.14, 2 Peter 1.1, John 1.18, Romans 9.5, et al.
 
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i thought i share c something i read a while back
Though your initial posts is only a few paragraphs in length, there's more errors in such a small span than fingers I have to count on.

I've even taken the time to read through the second article, and can't even make it past the first paragraph without counting numerous errors. Of course, in attempt to draw some kind of connection between the NIV and the NWT (which you have failed to do), you ignore completely the similarities between the KJV and the NWT (John 14.14, 2 Peter 1.1, Titus 2.13, Romans 9.5).

I do plan on responding to these, but given the time of night I doubt I'll be able to get to it tonight. People should not speak on issues they are completely ignorant of.
 
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Haha! This is so silly. I'm sick of these KJV-only topics.
Start a thread in the Suggestions Forum that no one is allowed to start any more threads without TinTin's approval, we can even vote on it.

We've only had about a hundred of them.
And many still don't understand KJV English style... :(

KJV Pure Cambridge Edition
"an hundred" - 180 occurrences
"a hundred" - 1 occurrence

2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
 
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Praus, you're a funny man.