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Zionist support, HUGE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!ONE among those, BIG LIES is the Jewish people can reject Christ and still be redeemed.So the NT is wrong I don't think so!!!!!!!!!!
Get out your Bible concordance and do a word search for the word "Zion".
I found 153 matches in 153 verses in the Old Testament and 7 matches in 7 verses in the New Testament (spelled "Sion")
2 Samuel 5:7 Nevertheless David took the strong hold of Zion: the same is the city of David.
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
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please reconcile that with your source:
Vital Distinctions Between Israel and the Church
Dispensationalists are distinguished from non-Dispensationalists in that they recognize clear Biblical distinctions between Israel and the Church. The following distinctions, illustrated in chart form, are based on the clear teachings of the Scriptures when interpreted in their plain, normal, literal sense.
For example, non-Dispensationalists are horrified at the thought that animal sacrifices will be observed in the future Messianic kingdom, but this is what the Old Testament prophets predicted.
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The hope and expectancy of Israel was earthly, centering in the establishment of the Kingdom of the Messiah foretold by the prophets (Jer. 23:5-8; Isa. 2:1-5; 11:1-16).
The hope and expectancy of the Church is heavenly, centering in the glorious appearing of Christ to take His people to heaven (John 14:1-3; Phil. 3:20-21; Col. 3:1-4; 1 Thess. 4:13-18).
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Israel’s history which is in view in Daniel 9:24 (the 70 weeks or 490 years) involved animal sacrifices. These years will include the tribulation. Israel’s millennial history will involve the same (Ezek. 43:27).
The Church’s history does not involve animal sacrifices. Messiah’s sacrifice is commemorated by means of the Lord’s Table.
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Israel’s history which is in view in Daniel 9:24 (the 490 years) involves a priesthood limited to the sons of Aaron, and excluding most Israelites. The same applies to the Millennium when Zadokian priests (also sons of Aaron) will serve in the temple (Ezek. 40:46; 43:19; 44:15).
During the Church age every true believer is a priest and able to offer spiritual sacrifices to the Lord (Heb. 13:15; 1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6). Whereas Israel had a priesthood, the Church is a priesthood.
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Israel was to observe the Sabbath Day (Exodus 20:8). Sabbath observance will also take place in the Tribulation (Matt. 24:20) and in the Millennium (Ezek. 46:1,3).
The Church is to be diligent and make every effort to enter into God’s rest (Heb. 4:9-11). This is a daily duty.
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Comparison & Contrast Between Israel and the Church
QUESTION FOR ANYONE: according to the Bible, is this true or false?:
Believing Jews prior to Pentecost, believing Jews during the tribulation, and believing Jews during the Kingdom reign of Christ are not members of the body of Christ.
Vital Distinctions Between Israel and the Church
Dispensationalists are distinguished from non-Dispensationalists in that they recognize clear Biblical distinctions between Israel and the Church. The following distinctions, illustrated in chart form, are based on the clear teachings of the Scriptures when interpreted in their plain, normal, literal sense.
For example, non-Dispensationalists are horrified at the thought that animal sacrifices will be observed in the future Messianic kingdom, but this is what the Old Testament prophets predicted.
....
The hope and expectancy of Israel was earthly, centering in the establishment of the Kingdom of the Messiah foretold by the prophets (Jer. 23:5-8; Isa. 2:1-5; 11:1-16).
The hope and expectancy of the Church is heavenly, centering in the glorious appearing of Christ to take His people to heaven (John 14:1-3; Phil. 3:20-21; Col. 3:1-4; 1 Thess. 4:13-18).
...
Israel’s history which is in view in Daniel 9:24 (the 70 weeks or 490 years) involved animal sacrifices. These years will include the tribulation. Israel’s millennial history will involve the same (Ezek. 43:27).
The Church’s history does not involve animal sacrifices. Messiah’s sacrifice is commemorated by means of the Lord’s Table.
...
Israel’s history which is in view in Daniel 9:24 (the 490 years) involves a priesthood limited to the sons of Aaron, and excluding most Israelites. The same applies to the Millennium when Zadokian priests (also sons of Aaron) will serve in the temple (Ezek. 40:46; 43:19; 44:15).
During the Church age every true believer is a priest and able to offer spiritual sacrifices to the Lord (Heb. 13:15; 1 Pet. 2:9; Rev. 1:6). Whereas Israel had a priesthood, the Church is a priesthood.
...
Israel was to observe the Sabbath Day (Exodus 20:8). Sabbath observance will also take place in the Tribulation (Matt. 24:20) and in the Millennium (Ezek. 46:1,3).
The Church is to be diligent and make every effort to enter into God’s rest (Heb. 4:9-11). This is a daily duty.
...
Comparison & Contrast Between Israel and the Church
QUESTION FOR ANYONE: according to the Bible, is this true or false?:
Believing Jews prior to Pentecost, believing Jews during the tribulation, and believing Jews during the Kingdom reign of Christ are not members of the body of Christ.
J
Funny, considering this was written with dispy/zionist tinted glasses.
But went to the Romans 11 link and something stuck out like a sore thumb. Paul never used the word Jew/Jews in Romans 11 but this writer chose to use Jews/Jewish 66 times. If he was scriputurally honest, he would explain that this was about the Children of Israel.
Matter of fact, I don't see how anyone who have read the Bible could confuse this concept, let alone one who has gone to a "bible college." I mean, no amount theology could make you ignore plain text.
But honestly, those who practice Judaism see Jesus the same way that Muslims see Jesus but I don't see anyone threads saying "support your local Muslim." Guess what? The concept of "support you local Jew" is not Biblical and other than the misquoted Genesis 12, no one can show me anything that the Bible say regarding this. Then I present scripture contradicting certain post and I get called an antisemitist? Well, I guess Paul was the biggest of them all because I was directly quoting him without adding my own thoughts or tidbits.
But I say all that to say this, I support my neighbor and love them as myself, showing no partiality to anyone.
But went to the Romans 11 link and something stuck out like a sore thumb. Paul never used the word Jew/Jews in Romans 11 but this writer chose to use Jews/Jewish 66 times. If he was scriputurally honest, he would explain that this was about the Children of Israel.
Matter of fact, I don't see how anyone who have read the Bible could confuse this concept, let alone one who has gone to a "bible college." I mean, no amount theology could make you ignore plain text.
But honestly, those who practice Judaism see Jesus the same way that Muslims see Jesus but I don't see anyone threads saying "support your local Muslim." Guess what? The concept of "support you local Jew" is not Biblical and other than the misquoted Genesis 12, no one can show me anything that the Bible say regarding this. Then I present scripture contradicting certain post and I get called an antisemitist? Well, I guess Paul was the biggest of them all because I was directly quoting him without adding my own thoughts or tidbits.
But I say all that to say this, I support my neighbor and love them as myself, showing no partiality to anyone.
John 9
22 His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jews; for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone confessed Him to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue. 23 For this reason his parents said, "He is of age; ask him."
Luke 6:22
Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.
22 His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jews; for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone confessed Him to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue. 23 For this reason his parents said, "He is of age; ask him."
Luke 6:22
Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.
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Lol. Funny you should say that. I think the Jews have already started calling the New Testament anti-Semitic. I wonder if the Israel-firsters will follow suit and begin to disown their own scriptures (the process has already commenced with scripture reinterpretation), or if this attack will finally shake them from their stupor? (Although, charges of anti-Semitism etc. are getting so overused, pretty much everything is anti-Semitic these days. :| )
With regards the thread title, I think it can only be scriptural if Christians are described as Jews. But this can make things confusing, and also aggravates those who think they are Jews, and those who think they are Christians that support them.
With regards the thread title, I think it can only be scriptural if Christians are described as Jews. But this can make things confusing, and also aggravates those who think they are Jews, and those who think they are Christians that support them.
M
I'm not sure if you read all the posts on this thread (there's a lot of rubbish from the spammer, empty words from the couple of die-hard Dispensationalists), but I thought Zone did a good job of exposing the evils of Dispensationalism. It gets a bit tricky, as supporters of the doctrine tend to be as slippery as eels, but I think she didn't leave much room for them to slither.