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letti, don't be deceived, these operate from the wrong premise and are very prejudice along with others. Are you going to get sucked into that vacuum and get all caught up ......
......in the ludicrous pretribulation rapture [cult]?

the mystery church has to go in the rapture since the JEWS have to be slaughtered.
 
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letti, don't be deceived, these operate from the wrong premise and are very prejudice along with others. Are you going to get sucked into that vacuum and get all caught up in these evil summations about a rebellious people who have been blinded through their rebellion and unbelief? If that is what you want, then God can give you over to it like he has the others and have it motivate you in the same way it motivates them. I believe that what has happen to the Jews in their blindness is a test to the Gentiles to reveal what is in their hearts toward rebellious Israel.
I do not hate Jewish people,but I could never go along with that evil Talmud garbage.I can't go along with rejection of the True and Messiah that has come and died for us.Listen,I am not prejudiced at all,but I am fully aware of all the lies in Judaism.
 
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What is wrong and bad with the truth?I don't get this it is so stupid.:pZone is speaking the truth,like it or not!
anyone with a red letter bible can see JESUS already told us all of this.

or, one can choose to read someone else's interpretation:

In Defense of Israel will shake Christian theology. It scripturally proves that the Jewish people as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah. It will also prove that Jesus did not come to earth to be the Messiah. It will prove that there was a Calvary conspiracy between Rome, the high priest, and Herod to execute Jesus as an insurrectionist too dangerous to live. Since Jesus refused by word and deed to claim to be the Messiah, how can the Jews be blamed for rejecting what was never offered? Read this shocking expose, In Defense of Israel - John Hagee

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar, if not the one who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? This one is the antichrist: the one who denies the Father and the Son.
 
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Brad if he is still listening in I am sure he is.
Sorry - I did see after I had posted (so I deleted my post in hopes you wouldn't see). Brad's rantings are shrouded in mysterious sophistry, that make them hard for me to understand at first. He doesn't really seem to rely on scripture or good logic, but rather pious language and a holier-than-thou attitude. :|

I'm not sure anyone will succeed in convincing him of the error of his ways, but he will probably keep posting as he thinks he can please his god and get blessed by "supporting Israel".
 
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anyone with a red letter bible can see JESUS already told us all of this.

or, one can choose to read someone else's interpretation:

In Defense of Israel will shake Christian theology. It scripturally proves that the Jewish people as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah. It will also prove that Jesus did not come to earth to be the Messiah. It will prove that there was a Calvary conspiracy between Rome, the high priest, and Herod to execute Jesus as an insurrectionist too dangerous to live. Since Jesus refused by word and deed to claim to be the Messiah, how can the Jews be blamed for rejecting what was never offered? Read this shocking expose, In Defense of Israel - John Hagee

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar, if not the one who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? This one is the antichrist: the one who denies the Father and the Son.
Yes,I can not argue any of that.The truth is plain to see in scripture.I't is sad to me any would argue otherwise, they chase after lies of Zionism!
 

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What a bummer to be blinded by darkness and set aside with jealousy......

that is your response to this:


English Babylonian Talmud

Halakhah.com Babylonian Talmud Online in English

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AND A HERALD PRECEDES HIM etc. This implies, only immediately before [the execution], but not previous thereto.33 [In contradiction to this] it was taught: On the eve of the Passover Yeshu34 was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Any one who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf.' But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of the Passover!35 — Ulla retorted: 'Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defence could be made? Was he not a Mesith [enticer], concerning whom Scripture says, Neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him?36 With Yeshu however it was different, for he was connected with the government [or royalty, i.e., influential].'


33. E.g., not forty days before. The two passages that follow have been expunged in all censored editions. [As to the historical value to be attached to them, v. Klausner, Jesus. p. 27ff.]

34. [Ms.M. adds the Nasarean'.]

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WHO WAS JESUS?

Naturally, Jesus did sometimes pretend to respect the Law, but whenever he thought he could get away with it, he turned right around and broke that same Law. In Matthew 5:17-19, he declared that he came to fulfill the Law, and in Matthew 23:1-3 he defended the authority of the rabbis. But the rest of the time, he rebelled against the Law—thus showing that his occasional words of piety were meant only to hide his evil agenda. The following sins of Jesus are recorded in the "New Testament":

Jesus repudiated the laws of kosher food (Mark 7:18-19). [Compare this to the prophet Daniel's strict adherence to kashrus, in Daniel chapter 1.]
He repudiated the laws of honoring one's parents, and called on his followers to hate their parents; he also dishonored his own mother (Matthew 10:34-36; Matthew 12:46-50; Luke 14:26).
He violated the Sabbath by picking grain, and incited his disciples to do the same (Matthew 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-26).
4) He again violated the Sabbath by healing a man's arm, which was not a matter of saving a life, and he openly defied the rabbis in his total repudiation of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:9-13; Mark 3:1-5). [Compare this to G-d's view of violating the Sabbath, in Numbers 15:32-36, Nehemiah 10:30-32, and dozens of other places throughout the Bible.]
Jesus brazenly defied and disobeyed the rabbis of the Sanhedrin, repudiating their authority (This is recorded in many places throughout the New Testament, but look especially at Matthew 23:13-39 and John 8:44-45).

The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of "Jesus the Nazarene":

He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh—which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

Who Was Jesus?

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since the above is the unpardonable sin Jesus warned the Pharisees of; and since the religion and teaching of the Pharisees has not changed and is taught in the Synagogues and Yeshivas....xuanvuive2013, would you please refrain from promoting that religion?

as a Christian i find it more than highly offensive.
What a bummer to be blinded by darkness and set aside with jealousy......
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar, if not the one who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? This one is the antichrist: the one who denies the Father and the Son.

Matthew 13:18
18"Hear then the parable of the sower. 19"When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road.
 
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The bible does say no Greek gentile Jew that rejects CHRIST will inherit the kingdom!They will enter into judgment or did I read my bible wrong?
 
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So this Yitzhak Kaduri... Did he believe that Jesus had come in the flesh? It sort of sounds/reads like he was talking about a first coming, or reincarnation, or something... :|
 
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So this Yitzhak Kaduri... Did he believe that Jesus had come in the flesh? It sort of sounds/reads like he was talking about a first coming, or reincarnation, or something... :|
Not 100% sure I would have to watch it again it has been a while since I saw it.
 
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The bible does say no Greek gentile Jew that rejects CHRIST will inherit the kingdom!They will enter into judgment or did I read my bible wrong?
I think you read right, unless your bible is one of those that Scofield wrote. I hear there are all sorts of heresies in these "versions". :|
 
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The bible does say no Greek gentile Jew that rejects CHRIST will inherit the kingdom!They will enter into judgment or did I read my bible wrong?
What is a "Greek gentile Jew"? Shouldn't you have a comma in between those words? Nobody will inherit the Kingdom of God unless they are "born again"

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

That includes the Gentile and the Jew. Both are lost w/o Christ.
 
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Zionist support, HUGE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!ONE among those, BIG LIES is the Jewish people can reject Christ and still be redeemed.So the NT is wrong I don't think so!!!!!!!!!!:D
 

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Why not do an expository Bible study of Romans 9-11, without the "preterist/reformed/covenant theology tinted glasses? You might learn what God has planned for the nation of Israel.

Romans 9
Romans Chapter 10
Romans Chapter 11
your source:

Middletown Bible church - Know about our Lord Jesus Christ, Salvation, Sin, Truth and More

"Dispensationalists teach that the kingdom, which was described and promised by the Old Testament prophets, was announced and offered to Israel at our Lord's first coming, but due to Israel's rejection of Christ, the kingdom was postponed and awaits future fulfillment."

"When Christ came the first time Israel, as a nation, did not repent and the kingdom was postponed. When Christ comes the second time Israel will repent and will receive their Messiah, even as Jesus predicted in Matthew 23:39 (and compare Zechariah 12:10-14). Study also Romans chapter 11 which speaks of Israel's wonderful future (Notes on Romans 11).

Many non-dispensationalists object to the idea of a kingdom being postponed. Often the reason for this is that they want to steal away the kingdom that was promised to Israel and claim it for themselves. They teach that the kingdom is here and now. Instead of the kingdom being postponed, the church is now enjoying the kingdom. The church has replaced Israel in God's program and the church has claimed Israel's kingdom. The technical name for this erroneous view is Replacement Theology.

It is helpful to keep in mind two important facts:

(1) When the kingdom is finally restored to Israel, it is a continuation of the same historical, theocratic, earthly kingdom. The very same tabernacle of David that fell will be restored, not some new, revised, or spiritual version of the kingdom....

(6) God has promised that Elijah will appear on earth shortly before the Lord Himself returns (Malachi 4:5). A careful study of Matthew 17:10-12 and Matthew 11:14 seems to indicate that if the nation Israel had received Christ at His first coming, then Elijah would have come (John the Baptist would have been Elijah!?). But the nation rejected Christ and thus the coming of Elijah was postponed for about 2000 years.


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^^^^^^^^^^THESE TEACHINGS ARE NOT FROM GOD. < so who are they from? ^^^^^^

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Acts 15
James’s Judgment

13After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, “Brethren, listen to me. 14“Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. 15“With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,

16‘AFTER THESE THINGS I will return,
AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN,
AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS,
AND I WILL RESTORE IT,

17SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD,
AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,’

18SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO.

19“Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, 20but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. 21“For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

22Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas—Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren, 23and they sent this letter by them,

“The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings.

24“Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls,
25it seemed good to us, having become of one mind, to select men to send to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27“Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will also report the same things by word of mouth.
28“For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:
29that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.”

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"A careful study of Matthew 17:10-12 and Matthew 11:14 seems to indicate that if the nation Israel had received Christ at His first coming, then Elijah would have come (John the Baptist would have been Elijah!?)"

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this is just beyond my comprehension that anyone can NOT KNOW what Bible teaches.
lazy and corrupt...looking to false teachers.
ever learning and NEVER able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
if your system is followed to it's blasphemous conclusion it makes God a deceiver!

YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
 
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Any man woman child or human being can be redeemed if they will accept Christ.Zionism is in total error of teaching this.The Talmud is a disgustingly wicked pagan based piece of garbage.
 
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Being Jewish can mean one of several things.
It don't mean nothing if you don't Love Jesus Christ ! 1 Cor 16:22

22 If any man ethnic jew or gentile love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
 

zone

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What is a "Greek gentile Jew"? Shouldn't you have a comma in between those words? Nobody will inherit the Kingdom of God unless they are "born again"

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

That includes the Gentile and the Jew. Both are lost w/o Christ.
YOUR SOURCE:

A Comparison and Contrast Between Israel and the Church

Comparison & Contrast Between Israel and the Church < click


"The prophecy found in Daniel 9:24-27 is a key to understanding the parenthetical nature of this present age. Israel’s history from the rebuilding of Jerusalem to the second coming of Messiah is incorporated in the 70 Week prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27. We know that Messiah was cut off (referring to His violent death) after the 69th week, and we know from the book of Revelation and other Scripture passages that the 70th week is yet future and represents the final seven years before the Messiah returns to the earth.

It is highly significant that this 70-Week prophecy of Daniel, while detailing the history of God’s people—“seventy weeks are determined upon thy people” (Dan. 9:24)—has nothing to say about a period of history which is now known to consist of nearly two millennia.

When this remarkable “gap” or “parenthesis” is integrated with Daniel’s great chronological prophecy, the interpreter is forced to distinguish two histories: 1) the stated history of Israel (490 years); 2) the unstated, parenthetical history of the Church (already nearly 2000 years). God has a distinct history or program for Israel as well as a distinct history or program for His Church. The two programs harmonize perfectly but do not interfere one with the other, nor do they overlap in time. The Church age in its entirety falls in the period of time after the conclusion of the 69th week and before the beginning of the 70th week.

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When this remarkable “gap” or “parenthesis” is integrated with Daniel’s great chronological prophecy, the interpreter is forced to distinguish two histories

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only satan himself could devise this scheme.