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I'm not really sure how the Song of Solomon passage fits in, unless you're trying to be more ridiculous... :confused:
it's a little more serious than ridiculous.
notice what is not being said in defense of Israel?

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Hosea 11:1
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

Matthew 2
13Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.” 14And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt 15and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, “Out of Egypt I called my son.”
 
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The Talmud,for those in the synagogue of Satan.:(
 

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2 Corinthians 6
14Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? 16Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, "I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

Mark 3
1Again he entered the synagogue, and a man was there with a withered hand. 2And they watched Jesus,a to see whether he would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse him. 3And he said to the man with the withered hand, “Come here.” 4And he said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to kill?” But they were silent. 5And he looked around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart, and said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was restored. 6The Pharisees went out and immediately held counsel with the Herodians against him, how to destroy him.

Mark 3
Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit

22And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and “by the prince of demons he casts out the demons.” 23And he called them to him and said to them in parables, “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. 26And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end. 27But no one can enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. Then indeed he may plunder his house.

28“Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, 29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— 30for they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”
 
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These Jews in Jerusalem are a stubborn lot, obstinate, proud, zealous, and even prejudice in their unbelief and blindness.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

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I have seen great hatred from the many Jews concerning Christ.There are some Who have accepted Christ,but messianic,Orthodox, Jews still hold on to satanic doctrines.One well known Jewish Elder close to his death had a revelation, and wrote it down for all to see after he passed.The revelation was The Messiah had come, and He is Jesus Christ who the Christians have accepted.
 

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These Jews in Jerusalem are a stubborn lot, obstinate, proud, zealous, and even prejudice in their unbelief and blindness. Reminds me of some that post on this site who have rebelled according to the letter. They possess a unique blindness and orientation that also makes them prejudice against the very ones that God will have mercy upon in their own land at the appointed time.
you do not know the scriptures.

Will we all be rejoicing and praising God for his faithfulness
some of us already do rejoice and praise Him for His faithfulness - to the jew first, then to the gentile - exactly as He Promised.

some of us already know He was faithful to fulfill all 3 promises to Abraham.
simply reading the Bible is how we know. it's crystal clear.

others, however, live in a deluded state. they say blasphemous things about the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob:

"Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation
.....BradC"

....and they have one default position when called out on their ungodly proclamations about The LORD GOD and His Promises to His people:

I am sure there are many around the world and on this site that would pine to see God destroy the Jews from the face of the earth and would do everything in their might to assist in that destruction.
there is something desperately wrong with their hearts.
they have been utterly blinded by the idolatry of dispensationalism.
they do not know the scriptures, nor the God Who revealed Himself in Christ Jesus - The King of Israel; Israel's Messiah.
they never believed God when He promised them a remnant.
they don't appear to believe Him at all.

If a people are so despised because of their rejection of Christ and how they treat others, what use could they possible have in the plan of God. It's a wonder that the armies of the world have not already gathered themselves against this lot and byword on people's lips and blown them to smithereens. Perhaps we should instead of supporting a MUSLIM - ATHEIST - HINDU - INSERT ANY UNBELIEVER HERE we should mark a Jew and do unto them as they do to others and make their life miserable as they have made life miserable for others. We should take up an eye for and eye and make sure they get what they deserve and then some. I guess NT believers have been going at this all the wrong way. Israel is the great whore and damn and shame on us if we don't recognize that and expose them for who they are. We should be cursing them instead of blessing or being a blessing to them because of their rejection of Christ. How could I have not seen this all these years?

To the ridiculous I have become ridiculous.
indeed.
you do not know the scriptures.

1st CENTURY JERUSALEM was Mystery Babylon the Great Harlot.
the scriptures are sealed to you.
you err, and lead others.....blind guide.
 

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OH,well zone it is TRUE!:)
We must stay in truth.
Galatians 4:29
But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.

Galatians 5:11
Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished.
 
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but....we're not supposed to talk about that.
Keep shining the light of truth on those deeds of darkness. Eventually, they're gonna run out of dark places to hide! :)

I have seen great hatred from the many Jews concerning Christ.There are some Who have accepted Christ,but messianic,Orthodox, Jews still hold on to satanic doctrines.
I like that they still call themselves Jews, though. It's a bit more disconcerting for me when I see Jews (or Judaisers) who call themselves Christians. :|

One well known Jewish Elder close to his death had a revelation, and wrote it down for all to see after he passed.The revelation was The Messiah had come, and He is Jesus Christ who the Christians have accepted.
That is interesting. Do you remember his name?
 
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What is wrong and bad with the truth?I don't get this it is so stupid.:pZone is speaking the truth,like it or not!
 
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Keep shining the light of truth on those deeds of darkness. Eventually, they're gonna run out of dark places to hide! :)

I like that they still call themselves Jews, though. It's a bit more disconcerting for me when I see Jews (or Judaisers) who call themselves Christians. :|

That is interesting. Do you remember his name?
No,but I will get it and PM you that.
 
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English Babylonian Talmud

Halakhah.com Babylonian Talmud Online in English

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AND A HERALD PRECEDES HIM etc. This implies, only immediately before [the execution], but not previous thereto.33 [In contradiction to this] it was taught: On the eve of the Passover Yeshu34 was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Any one who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf.' But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of the Passover!35 — Ulla retorted: 'Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defence could be made? Was he not a Mesith [enticer], concerning whom Scripture says, Neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him?36 With Yeshu however it was different, for he was connected with the government [or royalty, i.e., influential].'


33. E.g., not forty days before. The two passages that follow have been expunged in all censored editions. [As to the historical value to be attached to them, v. Klausner, Jesus. p. 27ff.]

34. [Ms.M. adds the Nasarean'.]


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WHO WAS JESUS?
Naturally, Jesus did sometimes pretend to respect the Law, but whenever he thought he could get away with it, he turned right around and broke that same Law. In Matthew 5:17-19, he declared that he came to fulfill the Law, and in Matthew 23:1-3 he defended the authority of the rabbis. But the rest of the time, he rebelled against the Law—thus showing that his occasional words of piety were meant only to hide his evil agenda. The following sins of Jesus are recorded in the "New Testament":

Jesus repudiated the laws of kosher food (Mark 7:18-19). [Compare this to the prophet Daniel's strict adherence to kashrus, in Daniel chapter 1.]
He repudiated the laws of honoring one's parents, and called on his followers to hate their parents; he also dishonored his own mother (Matthew 10:34-36; Matthew 12:46-50; Luke 14:26).
He violated the Sabbath by picking grain, and incited his disciples to do the same (Matthew 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-26).
4) He again violated the Sabbath by healing a man's arm, which was not a matter of saving a life, and he openly defied the rabbis in his total repudiation of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:9-13; Mark 3:1-5). [Compare this to G-d's view of violating the Sabbath, in Numbers 15:32-36, Nehemiah 10:30-32, and dozens of other places throughout the Bible.]
Jesus brazenly defied and disobeyed the rabbis of the Sanhedrin, repudiating their authority (This is recorded in many places throughout the New Testament, but look especially at Matthew 23:13-39 and John 8:44-45).

The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of "Jesus the Nazarene":

He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh—which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

Who Was Jesus?

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since the above is the unpardonable sin Jesus warned the Pharisees of; and since the religion and teaching of the Pharisees has not changed and is taught in the Synagogues and Yeshivas....xuanvuive2013, would you please refrain from promoting that religion?

as a Christian i find it more than highly offensive.
What a bummer to be blinded by darkness and set aside with jealousy, such a cruel life, but only until the light and the love of the glorious gospel is able to shine unto them through the sacrifice of sin of the first coming unto the salvation of the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, one unto sin and the other unto salvation. Even the slightest rebellion in the heart is likened unto the sin of witchcraft (1 Sam 15:23). That's what happens when you rebel against the voice of God and against those who God has sent to reveal his word. Has God seen any leaven that has lead to rebellion in your heart lately? Just a question not an accusation. I am clean and confessed up to date, so you can say whatever you want about me and it comes right back on you by default.
 
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What is wrong and bad with the truth?I don't get this it is so stupid.:pZone is speaking the truth,like it or not!
John 3:19 - 21 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
 
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Please,exposing a satanic doctrine that is jealousy?Zone does not hate the Jewish people she is hating what they are abiding in.
 

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Rabbi Reveals Name of the Messiah

Shortly before he died, one of Israel's most prominent rabbis wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was opened, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.

A few months before he died, one of the nation’s most prominent rabbis, Yitzhak Kaduri, supposedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note which he requested would remain sealed until now. When the note was unsealed, it revealed what many have known for centuries: Yehoshua, or Yeshua (Jesus), is the Messiah.

With the biblical name of Jesus, the Rabbi and kabbalist described the Messiah using six words and hinting that the initial letters form the name of the Messiah. The secret note said:

Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah’s name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid.

Thisis I have signed in the month of mercy,
Yitzhak Kaduri

The Hebrew sentence (translated above in bold) with the hidden name of the Messiah reads: Yarim Ha’Am Veyokhiakh Shedvaro Vetorato Omdim

The initials spell the Hebrew name of Jesus, Yehoshua. Yehoshua and Yeshua are eectively the same name, derived from the same Hebrew root of the word “salvation” as documented in Zechariah 6:11 and Ezra 3:2. The same priest writes in Ezra, “Yeshua son of Yozadak” while writing in Zechariah “Yehoshua son of Yohozadak.” The priest adds the holy abbreviation of God’s name, ho, in the father’s name Yozadak and in the name Yeshua.

With one of Israel’s most prominent rabbis indicating the name of the Messiah is Yeshua, it is understandable why his last wish was to wait one year after his death before revealing what he wrote.

When the name of Yehoshua appeared in Kaduri’s message, ultra-Orthodox Jews from his Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva (seminary) in Jerusalem argued that their master did not leave the exact solution for decoding the Messiah’s name.

The revelation received scant coverage in the Israeli media. Only the Hebrew websites News First Class (Nfc) and Kaduri.net mentioned the Messiah note, insisting it was authentic. The Hebrew daily Ma'ariv ran a story on the note but described it as a forgery.


Jewish readers responded on the websites' forums with mixed feelings: “So this means Rabbi Kaduri was a Christian?” and “The Christians are dancing and celebrating,” were among the comments.

Israel Today spoke to two of Kaduri’s followers in Jerusalem who admitted that the note was authentic, but confusing for his followers as well. “We have no idea how the Rabbi got to this name of the Messiah,” one of them said.

Yet others completely deny any possibility that the note is authentic. Kaduri’s son, Rabbi David Kaduri, said that at the time the note was written (September 2005), his father’s physical condition made it impossible for him to write.


KADURI'S PORTRAYAL OF THE MESSIAH

A few months before Kaduri died at the age of 108, he surprised his followers when he told them that he met the Messiah. Kaduri gave a message in his synagogue on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, teaching how to recognize the Messiah. He also mentioned that the Messiah would appear to Israel after Ariel Sharon’s death. (The former prime minister is still in a coma after suffering a massive stroke more than a year ago.)

Other rabbis predict the same, including Rabbi Haim Cohen, kabbalist Nir Ben Artzi and the wife of Rabbi Haim Kneiveskzy.

Kaduri’s grandson, Rabbi Yosef Kaduri, said his grandfather spoke many times during his last days about the coming of the Messiah and redemption through the Messiah.

His spiritual portrayals of the Messiah—reminiscent of New Testament accounts—were published on the websites Kaduri.net and Nfc:

“It is hard for many good people in society to understand the person of the Messiah. The leadership and order of a Messiah of flesh and blood is hard to accept for many in the nation. As leader, the Messiah will not hold any office, but will be among the people and use the media to communicate. His reign will be pure and without personal or political desire. During his dominion, only righteousness and truth will reign.

“Will all believe in the Messiah right away? No, in the beginning some of us will believe in him and some not. It will be easier for non-religious people to follow the Messiah than for Orthodox people.

“The revelation of the Messiah will be fullled in two stages: First, he will actively confirm his position as Messiah without knowing himself that he is the Messiah. Then he will reveal himself to some Jews, not necessarily to wise Torah scholars. It can be even simple people. Only then he will reveal himself to the whole nation. The people will wonder and say: ‘What, that’s the Messiah?’ Many have known his name but have not believed that he is the Messiah.”


FAREWELL TO A 'TSADIK'

Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri was known for his photographic memory and his memorization of the Bible, the Talmud, Rashi and other Jewish writings. He knew Jewish sages and celebrities of the last century and rabbis who lived in the Holy Land and kept the faith alive before the State of Israel was born.

Kaduri was not only highly esteemed because of his age of 108. He was charismatic and wise, and chief rabbis looked up to him as a Tsadik, a righteous man or saint. He would give advice and blessings to everyone who asked. Thousands visited him to ask for counsel or healing. His followers speak of many miracles and his students say that he predicted many disasters.

When he died, more than 200,000 people joined the funeral procession on the streets of Jerusalem to pay their respects as he was taken to hisfinal resting place.

“When he comes, the Messiah will rescue Jerusalem from foreign religions that want to rule the city,” Kaduri once said. “They will not succeed for they will fight against one another.”


THE RABBI'S FOLLOWERS REACT

In an interview with Israel Today, Rabbi David Kaduri, the 80-year-old son of the late Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri, denied that his father left a note with the name Yeshua just before he died.

“It’s not his writing,” he said when we showed him a copy of the note.

During a nighttime meeting in the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva in Jerusalem, books with the elder Kaduri’s handwriting from 80 years ago were presented to us in an attempt to prove that the Messiah note was not authentic.

When we told Rabbi Kaduri that his father’s official website (כדורי.נט | גדולי התורה והקבלה ברשת) had mentioned the Messiah note, he was shocked. “Oh no! That’s blasphemy. The people could understand that my father pointed to him [the Messiah of the Christians].”

David Kaduri confirmed, however, that in his last year, his father had talked and dreamed almost exclusively about the Messiah and his coming. “My father has met the Messiah in a vision,” he said, “and told us that he would come soon.”

Israel Today was given access to many of the rabbi's manuscripts, written in his own hand for the exclusive use of his students. Most striking were the cross-like symbols painted by Kaduri all over the pages. In the Jewish tradition, one does not use crosses. In fact, even the use of a plus sign is discouraged because it might be mistaken for a cross.

But there they were, scribbled in the rabbi's own hand. When we asked what those symbols meant, Rabbi David Kaduri said they were “signs of the angel." Pressed further about the meaning of the “signs of the angel," he said he had no idea. Rabbi David Kaduri went on to explain that only his father had had a spiritual relationship with God and had met the Messiah in his dreams.

Orthodox Jews around the Nahalat Yitzhak Yeshiva told Israel Today a few weeks later that the story about the secret note of Rabbi Kaduri should never have come out, and that it had damaged the name the revered old sage.

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Brad if he is still listening in I am sure he is.
 
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Anyway,let's leave him to his deluded ideas and thoughts:)
 
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What is wrong and bad with the truth?I don't get this it is so stupid.:pZone is speaking the truth,like it or not!
letti, don't be deceived, these operate from the wrong premise and are very prejudice along with others. Are you going to get sucked into that vacuum and get all caught up in these evil summations about a rebellious people who have been blinded through their rebellion and unbelief? If that is what you want, then God can give you over to it like he has the others and have it motivate you in the same way it motivates them. I believe that what has happen to the Jews in their blindness is a test to the Gentiles to reveal what is in their hearts toward rebellious Israel.
 

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What a bummer to be blinded by darkness and set aside with jealousy, such a cruel life, but only until the light and the love of the glorious gospel is able to shine unto them through the sacrifice of sin of the first coming unto the salvation of the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, one unto sin and the other unto salvation. Even the slightest rebellion in the heart is likened unto the sin of witchcraft (1 Sam 15:23). That's what happens when you rebel against the voice of God and against those who God has sent to reveal his word. Has God seen any leaven that has lead to rebellion in your heart lately? Just a question not an accusation. I am clean and confessed up to date, so you can say whatever you want about me and it comes right back on you by default.
The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of "Jesus the Nazarene":

He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).

He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).

He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh—which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

Who Was Jesus? < click
Who Was Jesus?

jealousy?
why would i be jealous of people who commit the unpardonable sin regularly in their synagogues? - i am terrified for them.

why would i be jealous of apostates who have linked themselves unfailingly to The Pharisees? - i deplore their ignorance and infidelity toward Jesus Christ.

if they ever did know Him.

i do not know what Mystery church they belong to.
it's not the one the LORD established.