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[video=youtube;hDh1Vr7qajA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDh1Vr7qajA[/video]

John Hagee Calls for Pre-emptive nuckler strike against Iran!











hyp·o·crite noun \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
: a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs
Give the application to the pics and content you posted as it relates to that definition of a hypocrite.
 

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On 04 September 2001 a demonstration was held in Jerusalem to support of the Idea of the State Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates. It was organised by the movement Bead Artzein ("For the Homeland"), headed by rabbi and historian Avrom Shmulevic from Hebron. According to Shmulevic, "We shall have no peace as long as the whole territory of the Land of Israel will not return under Jewish control.... A stable peace will come only then, when Israel will return to itself all its historical lands, and will thus control both the Suez and the Ormudz channel.... We must remember that Iraqi oil fields too are located on the Jewish land."

Eretz Israel HaShlema / Greater Israel
 
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On 04 September 2001 a demonstration was held in Jerusalem to support of the Idea of the State Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates. It was organised by the movement Bead Artzein ("For the Homeland"), headed by rabbi and historian Avrom Shmulevic from Hebron. According to Shmulevic, "We shall have no peace as long as the whole territory of the Land of Israel will not return under Jewish control.... A stable peace will come only then, when Israel will return to itself all its historical lands, and will thus control both the Suez and the Ormudz channel.... We must remember that Iraqi oil fields too are located on the Jewish land."

Eretz Israel HaShlema / Greater Israel
The hypocrisy of it all was demonstrated how ....?
 

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A believer should not speak evil of anyone who Christ shed his blood for.


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Introduced by Pastor Hagee, Senator Ted Cruz blasted Obama’s foreign policy as one that displays “weakness” and “appeasement.” He exhorted the audience “to speak the truth in an era when so many believe they know better than eternal truth,” a reference to God’s promise to the Jewish people. He added that “the alliance between the US and Israel must remain completely and entirely unshakeable.” In a clear dig aimed at Obama, he stated that the “US needs leaders who clearly understand that America and Israel are not what’s wrong with the world.” He questioned President Obama as to why sending arms to the Syrian rebel groups is in the interest of the US, criticizing Obama for supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and the deposed President Morsi of Egypt. He stressed that “there is no greater threat to US security than Iran,” and added, “the US alliance with Israel is not a gift but a benefit to the security of the US.”

A Rallying Cry from Christians United for Israel | FrontPage Magazine
 
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SYRIA

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Introduced by Pastor Hagee, Senator Ted Cruz blasted Obama’s foreign policy as one that displays “weakness” and “appeasement.” He exhorted the audience “to speak the truth in an era when so many believe they know better than eternal truth,” a reference to God’s promise to the Jewish people. He added that “the alliance between the US and Israel must remain completely and entirely unshakeable.” In a clear dig aimed at Obama, he stated that the “US needs leaders who clearly understand that America and Israel are not what’s wrong with the world.” He questioned President Obama as to why sending arms to the Syrian rebel groups is in the interest of the US, criticizing Obama for supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and the deposed President Morsi of Egypt. He stressed that “there is no greater threat to US security than Iran,” and added, “the US alliance with Israel is not a gift but a benefit to the security of the US.”

A Rallying Cry from Christians United for Israel | FrontPage Magazine
I am sure you had a reference for this. What was it?
 
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A believer should not speak evil of anyone who Christ shed his blood for.
Thats right, We never know if Christ shed His Blood for one until they become a believer.

So to support unbelievers is unscriptural, and anti God. 2 Cor 6:14

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

and it does not matter if its an ethnic jew, A Christian has no business supporting a God hating ethnic jew or gentile.
 
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Do Talmudists believe in Jesus as the Christ, which is why they claim the promises that come through faith in the Christ?
I don't think so. They hate Jesus. :|

Well, "gi" can have a "ge" sound, so that gi-u in the old English would sound a lot like "Je-u" or "Jew."
Agreed. But you can't spell "jew" without a "j"! :D

In my rather uninformed use of "Jew," I use it to refer to those who adhere to Judaism and reject Jesus of Nazareth as the Christ.
Agreed. This is my default position. Unless some unbeliever or Zionist starts using the old "chosen people" terminology for unbelievers. Then I like to inform that I am a true Jew, and part of the real chosen people. It tends to enrage a little, perhaps because it exposes the hypocrisy of their words (although, I have tried to stop using for at least this thread, as Zone rightly pointed out it could contribute to confusion).

I use "Messianic Jew" to refer to those who have simply added Jesus to their Judaism, but do not accept the whole NT word of God.
Interesting. I will try to add this to my vocabulary.

Those who have a NT view of the Christ, I refer to as Christian.
Agreed.

Former believers in Judaism who have a clear NT understanding of Christ Jesus is rare out here.
Perhaps. :|
 
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So what makes a Jewish person Jewish? Lol
 
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Thats right, We never know if Christ shed His Blood for one until they become a believer.
We certainly do know for whom Christ shed His blood....He shed His blood for all of mankind. Limited atonement is not biblical....it is false and sends many to a devil's hell.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in himshould not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

I know this goes totally against your Calvinistic/TULIP/Limited Atonement theology, but that doesn't change the biblical truth that Jesus died and shed his precious blood for the entire world.
So to support unbelievers is unscriptural, and anti God. 2 Cor 6:14

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

and it does not matter if its an ethnic jew, A Christian has no business supporting a God hating ethnic jew or gentile.
2 Cor. 6:14 has nothing at all to do with supporting unbelievers for whom Christ died. We are to preach the Gospel to every creature (Mark 16:15)...it doesn't matter what ethnic group they are from.

2 Cor. 6:14 is an admonition for believers not to fellowship with and separate from those who are preaching and teaching a false gospel. It does not mean to separate for all the lost....how does one obey Christ's command to "preach the Gospel to every creature" if you don't associate with the lost. The lost are all around us and the lost need salvation.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
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We certainly do know for whom Christ shed His blood....He shed His blood for all of mankind. Limited atonement is not biblical....it is false and sends many to a devil's hell.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in himshould not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

I know this goes totally against your Calvinistic/TULIP/Limited Atonement theology, but that doesn't change the biblical truth that Jesus died and shed his precious blood for the entire world.

2 Cor. 6:14 has nothing at all to do with supporting unbelievers for whom Christ died. We are to preach the Gospel to every creature (Mark 16:15)...it doesn't matter what ethnic group they are from.

2 Cor. 6:14 is an admonition for believers not to fellowship with and separate from those who are preaching and teaching a false gospel. It does not mean to separate for all the lost....how does one obey Christ's command to "preach the Gospel to every creature" if you don't associate with the lost. The lost are all around us and the lost need salvation.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
They will make exceptions to the gospel based on prejudice because of their false premise that comes from false doctrine. This is a deeply rooted and cultivated in their mind and heart and they are trying to persuade others with it. The gospel of Christ is still going out into all the world, the laborers are few, but it is for the Jew and Gentile with no exceptions or preference. If anyone cannot discern a Jew from a Gentile as a people or will not except that they are two distinct groups of people on this planet, then they have a problem with the plan of God, the purpose of God and with what God did with Abraham, with Moses, with the covenants, with the law, with Israel and with the church. As a Gentile believer I will never refer myself as a Jew or spiritual Jew. It is not my place being born a Gentile, even though I have been circumcised and do by nature the things contained in the law in Rom 2:14,15.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

I am a Gentile Christian saved by grace and have been placed in Christ, the one new man. If I did not believe the gospel I would be a Gentile in unbelief with a depraved mind and a desperately wicked heart and a candidate for the mercy of God. If I was a Jew in unbelief and rejected Jesus Christ as Messiah at his first coming, I am also depraved and of a deceitful heart and have a partial blindness that the Gentiles do not have. This partial blindness has allowed the gospel to be preached and given to the Gentiles to make me jealous as a Jew. Jealous because God in this dispensation of grace has given his favor to the Gentiles and has chosen out of them an elect people until their time is fulfilled and constituted them as the church, Christ's body and God's household and habitation through the promise of the Spirit.

The Gentile people will not be part of or make up the foundation of the New Jerusalem nor will they adorn by name the twelve gates of that city, but they will make up the bride of Christ and dwell within that city. The more we listen to those who go against the doctrine of the kingdom that will come and reign on earth for 1,000 years the more we allow a little bit of leaven to enter and corrupt the purity of our faith that we have received of God. To me they represent a type of unwise virgins that have no oil and I will leave it right there.
 
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We certainly do know for whom Christ shed His blood....He shed His blood for all of mankind.
Thats a false christ.

2 Cor. 6:14 has nothing at all to do with supporting unbelievers for whom Christ died.
An unbeliever is in darkness whether Christ died for them or not. To support unbelievers is in direct oppostiion to the Word of God. 2 Cor 6:14

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

They should be reproved for their wickedness if anything. Eph 5:11

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

It does not matter if they are a ethnic jew or gentile. You just rebel against God's word !
 

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[video=youtube;HUbO6ZgDAdA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUbO6ZgDAdA[/video]
you do realize that the synagogues are places where Jesus Christ is denigrated, right?
i know you like the music and the clothes. and God, save the people.
but the religion is thoroughly antithetical to Christianity.
it would be best not to romanticize it nor promote it.
 

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"Moishe Rosen, the founder of Jews for Jesus, is dead at the age of 78. On May 19th he succumbed to prostate disease that had metastasized into bone cancer. Charisma Magazine called him "the godfather of Jewish evangelism".

Rosen was an ordained Baptist minister who founded Jews for Jesus in 1973. Jews for Jesus is notorious for their aggressive proselytizing campaigns targeting Jews for conversion.

In a farewell letter posted after his death on the JFJ Web site, Rosen expressed dismay at born-again Christians who support “the efforts of rabbis who, frankly, not only don't know Christ, but don't want to know Him” and he urged those people to think very seriously before they “support any ‘ministry’ that involves Jewish people and doesn't actually bring the gospel to the Jews.” He goes on to cite Romans and states that “… Jewishness never saved anybody. Judaism never saved anybody, no matter how sincere."

When it comes to Jews for Jesus, the varying and divergent religious and political sectors of the Jewish community enjoy rare consensus - they unanimously reject and despise the efforts of the organization.

An ADL report censures Jews for Jesus, “the leading organization dedicated to converting Jews to Christianity …because of its aggressive proselytizing with a deceptive message: that Jews who accept Jesus as the son of God and their savior remain Jewish.”"

Jews for Jesus founder, Moishe Rosen, Dead
Posted by Jewish Israel on May 23, 2010
Jews for Jesus founder, Moishe Rosen, Dead - Jewish Israel
 

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I am a Gentile Christian saved by grace and have been placed in Christ, the one new man. If I did not believe the gospel I would be a Gentile in unbelief with a depraved mind and a desperately wicked heart and a candidate for the mercy of God. If I was a Jew in unbelief and rejected Jesus Christ as Messiah at his first coming, I am also depraved and of a deceitful heart and have a partial blindness that the Gentiles do not have.

This partial blindness has allowed the gospel to be preached and given to the Gentiles to make me jealous as a Jew. Jealous because God in this dispensation of grace has given his favor to the Gentiles and has chosen out of them an elect people until their time is fulfilled and constituted them as the church, Christ's body and God's household and habitation through the promise of the Spirit.

The Gentile people will not be part of or make up the foundation of the New Jerusalem nor will they adorn by name the twelve gates of that city, but they will make up the bride of Christ and dwell within that city.


what nonsense.
i guess you don't care about the warning of Rev 22.

i'm amazed that ppl get away with tweaking their heresies from one post to the next.

the jew has a "partial blinding' the gentile doesn't have?
ugh.

tell me....where do you go when you get raptured?
since the New Jerusalem is literally built by jews apparently, and they were never offered it.....eh.
i forgot how you put it....i'll have to quote you exactly....now where is that again.....