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Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 9:24-27. God's timetable for restoring Israel and overthrowing the Gentile powers.

The Seventy Weeks. The occasion of the 70 weeks was Daniel's prayer that God would have mercy on Israel. The vision of the 70 weeks is God's answer. In this vision God reveals to Daniel the time schedule and major events which will lead to the establishment of Israel's Messianic kingdom.

The Length of Time of the 70 Weeks. The Hebrew term for weeks here (shebuah) simply means "sevens." The context must determine whether it is a week of days, or of years, etc.

(1) The weeks which have already been fulfilled demonstrate these are weeks of years rather than of days. It was almost 500 years from the rebuilding of the temple and of Jerusalem until the coming of Christ. This fits perfectly the testimony of Daniel 9:25, which places 69 weeks of years (483 years) between the two events. It is only reasonable to believe that the 70th week shall also be a week of years, or a seven year period.

(2) When this Hebrew term is used of weeks of days, the word "days" is added (Daniel 10:2-3).

(3) The concept of weeks of years was familiar to Jewish thinking (Leviticus 25:3-9).

(4) At the time of the vision, Daniel had been thinking in terms of weeks of years (Daniel 9:2 compared with 2 Chronicles 36:21).

The Divisions of the 70 Weeks. The 70 weeks are divided into distinct groups.

(1) During the first 7 weeks (49 years) Jerusalem was rebuilt in troublous times (compare Nehemiah).

(2) The next 62 weeks (434 years) extends from the rebuilding of Jerusalem until the coming of the Messiah.

(3) Between the 69th and 70th week is a period of undetermined time during which the Messiah is cut off (compare Matthew 27), Jerusalem is destroyed by Roman armies (A.D. 70), and there are desolations until the end. The Hebrew word translated "desolation" is also translated "destruction (Hosea 2:12). It refers to the fact that Jerusalem has been destroyed and overrun time and again throughout the interim period between the 69th and 70th weeks. Unforeseen by Daniel is the interlude of the church age, during which time the Messiah is resurrected and ascends back to Heaven to oversee the calling out of a people for His name from among the nations (Luke 19:11-27; Acts 15:14-18).

(4) The 70th week (the final seven years). The prince of the revived Roman Empire will make a covenant with Israel. That the Antichrist arises from the revived Roman Empire is evident by the fact that he is called the prince of the people who destroyed Jerusalem after Messiah's death; this was Rome. In the middle of the seven years the Antichrist will desecrate the Jewish temple (compare Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4). There will be desolations until Christ returns to overthrow the Antichrist (compare Matthew 24:16-21; Revelation 11:2). The abomination that makes desolate marks the middle of the seven years. Compare Matthew 24:15 where Jesus places this event in the Tribulation period. This abomination of desolation probably refers to the occasion when the Antichrist will set himself up as god (2 Thessalonians 2:4).

SOURCE: WAY OF LIFE ENCYCLOPEDIA: DANIEL

Daniel’s 70th week is still future. I’m not too interested in what preterism teaches, because what they teach is not sound biblical doctrine, but doctrines which originated in the 1500s by a Jesuit named Alcasar....straight from the Roman Catholic Church, which is a source that is full of paganism and heretical teachings.

1) NONSENSE - there's NO restoration of Israel's Messianic Kingdom in the physical land of Judea. the Kingdom is Christ's...those who believed entered it, and continue to TODAY. those who didn't believe - like YOU - still don't believe, and are still waiting.

2) WHAT revived Roman Empire? SHOW ME THAT IN DANIEL or anywhere else.

3) Daniel’s 70th week is still future? antichrists say so. and ONLY antichrists. people who thoroughly REJECT what Jesus said and did and attribute His Work and God's decrees to SATAN.

 

[zone]

And this is where I get confused. Honestly, that 70 week explanation sounds like a major stretch. If weeks 1 - 69 is a "week of years, as is week 70, why has one "week" between week 69 and 70 been nearly 4 times longer than all the other weeks combined? I understand that God's time is not our time but why would all the weeks fit except that one week? Also, why wouldn't God show Daniel the "church age" but shows him everything else?

it's all rubbish, that's why it makes no sense.
blasphemy.
these people love "The Antichrist" (where is "The Antichrist" in the Bible? WHERE?) so much, they have overthrown everything God did, exactly when He said He would - for Daniel's people, and attribute Jesus Christ's work to the devil.

 

[zone]

This is a great observation. The problem is that we are dealing with a prophecy that was never interpreted within the text; therefor people can stretch it to fit whatever doctrine they want, and there is almost no way to disprove them.

there is most certainly a way to disprove them.
but they don't care.
coming out of this heretical system takes hard work and a willingness to tear away this garbage that's been added to the perfect prophecies of Daniel.
very few seem to come out, and even fewer are willing to testify to it when they do.

 

[zone]

here is a introduction to this topic, then seek what the oldest greek scripts say

Jonah Code & 70 Weeks of Daniel Full Disk 1 of 5 by Michael Rood - YouTube

5 part series about 9 hrs long, it will lead you to truth, Sabbath is coming up, great time to leave EVERYTHING else alone and just seek Yahweh. could watch it twice and still have 6hrs of sleep!

Michael Rood?
NO THANKS. you wanna know about that guy?
you said you don't want teaching from any false teachers.....let me know if you want to know about Michael Rood.

 

[zone]

Daniel was writing to Jews.

The period between the 69th and 70th week is the church age.

don't mention the Holy Bible in the same breath you utter this antichrist doctrine.

If today, the Master came
To catch His Bride away
Would you be left behind in shame?
Or enter that Glorious Day?

oh yes....your 2000 years unforeseen mystery church age GOD NEVER MENTIONED (anywhere, nm the OT)....and you're going to fly away...when the clock restarts for Daniel's people.

as you attribute the Holy One's work and VERY WORDS - to SATAN.

 

[zone]

There is nothing in the Old Testament about the Church or the Church age.

you've never read it.
you don't know what the Church is, you don't know who is spoken of in Genesis 12, you teach people to err and follow antichrist teachings.
i know this doctrine....it is satanic to the core.
repent while you can.

you have undermined EVERYTHING Jesus came and did.

 

[zone]

That might be the disconnect with me; I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture. Another thing, if this church age wasn't revealed, why did God include it in the 70 weeks? Why wouldn't God just speak of a separate mystery that would be found later instead of throwing off the whole week system that seems to work fine for the first 68 and 70th week? One more thing; if the church age wasn't to be revealed to Israel, why did the early church consist of a lot of Israelites (Judeans)?

they have no clue.
they have to concede the early church was ALL JEWS....a stone cut out of the Mountain Israel.
but they can't explain it.

all they know is, somebody told them once ALL ISRAEL must be saved.
they're willing to do anything to make that fit.

 

[Katy-follower]

there is most certainly a way to disprove them.
but they don't care.
coming out of this heretical system takes hard work and a willingness to tear away this garbage that's been added to the perfect prophecies of Daniel.
very few seem to come out, and even fewer are willing to testify to it when they do.

Come out of what system? Please be careful before falsely accusing others of being in a system of heresy.

Speaking for myself, I can tell you that I've not been indoctrinated by anyone. It's just me here with my bible in hand. I'm non denominational, no man has indoctrinated me with their theologies and beliefs. I care about what the scriptures say.

The purpose of your theology is to divert attention away from Rome, it's very obvious that this is what the enemy is doing.

God is warning all to come out of the mother system and her daughters.

 

[zone]

Also included are the prophecies of a coming tribulation period for the nation of Israel, which does not include the Church.

WHO DID JESUS SAY THIS TO:?

Luke 21:20
20"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. 21"Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city


1) i don't know
2) me; me; me; us; us; us
3) unbelieving jews in the State of Israel today
4) THE EARLY CHURCH in Jerusalem before 70AD

 

[zone]

That's too bad. Not too many folks "loving His appearing" (2 Timothy 4:8). I suppose you're not interested in the imminent return of Christ for His Bride.

not too many folks love His First appearing (forget about His Third....which is apparently after His Second to take lucky little YOU out of tribulation)
they've re-written the bible to suit their itching ears.
they attribute The Lord's Work to SATAN.

 

[zone]

The Church began at Pentecost, which was a Jewish feast (Leviticus 23:15-21), therefore it is a given that Jews would be present. That's why the majority of the first century church were Jews. Phillip preached to the Samaritans in Acts 8 and Peter preached to the house of Cornelius in Acts 10...and the door was open to preach the Gospel to the "uttermost part of the earth". The Apostle Paul was the one who went to the uttermost part of the earth (of that time period) and preached the Gospel to the Gentiles.

....and for some inexplicable reason all the other jews from then until today are BLINDED...until God makes the Mystery Church vanish.

would you or anyone else please show me ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE that says the people of the earth freak out when they look around and see a BILLION (?) people vanish?

get the passges, please...thanks.

 

[zone]

Sorry, but you are the one who is twisting the Word of God....not me. Your garbled statement makes as much sense as the person I quoted. Neither he, nor you have a clue about how to interpret Daniel's seventy week prophecy, or any other biblical prophecy. And because your "allegorical" garbled interpretations have their roots in Roman Catholicism, you find it necessary to point the "judgmental" finger at those who posting truth. Shame on you!

there was a time, even recently when i would show you how wrong you are.
it's all in Daniel.
but i now believe that people who continue to teach this satanic doctrine after being shown the truth need to hear this:

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

 

[zone]

I am 100% one with you on this.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

 

[zone]

More Scripture twisting....

BTW, I wasn't apologizing

You still remain clueless.

and you....if and when you EVER come to the truth...will you be back to apologize and make restitution?
what are you going to do about all the people you have misled with this teaching?
any idea?

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

coming out of this heretical system takes hard work and a willingness to tear away this garbage that's been added to the perfect prophecies of Daniel.

I really liked that Philip Mauro study that you posted (other thread). I think I understand a lot more about Daniel's prophecy now, although I still need to study further. And I'm fairly sure if some of the people on this thread read the same thing, they would be more convinced that Daniel's prophecies have been fulfilled. Are there any similar studies you know regarding Revelation?

With regards "the antichrist", don't people mean who is spoken of in 2 Thes 2:3 - 4 when they refer to this (i.e. man of sin)?
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Or does this also refer to the same text in Daniel? What about the beast in Revelation?

 

[zone]

the problem is this....
Assuming Jesus died at the end of the 69th week...

why would you assume that?
because you love your false doctrine more than the truth.

 

[zone]

I don't think the 70th week must cover the time of Jacob's trouble. My words in bold. Let me know if there's another prophecy you think contradicts.

Daniel 9:26a And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: [Jesus dying on the cross, after 7 and 62 weeks]
Daniel 9:26b and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; [and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, after Messiah is cut off, but the text is not saying the 70th week for this event]
Daniel 9:27a And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, [back to Jesus - talking about the 70th week, and His sacrificial death in the midst of it. Also the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and afterward?]
Daniel 9:27b and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. [destruction of temple/Jerusalem again, text not saying this is the 70th week]

Jacob's Trouble BEGAN with the coming of Christ - we can read of the RISING AND FALLING of many in Israel right in the Gospels and Acts.

Jacob's Trouble continued for virtually 40 years until the destruction of Jerusalem and everything the apostates chose instead of Christ < INSTEAD OF - ANTICHRIST.

and we have people who actuallyt dare to claim His Name while believing the very same things as did they who rejected him the First Time.

they want a carnal kingdom, out of earthly Jerusalem, and they have given away their inheritance - if they ever knew who they were IN CHRIST.

not ONE OF THEM will address this:

Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.


they can't understand it. they won't touch it.
they have believed and taught false doctrine and this is sealed to them.
running to and fro..."what does it mean? what does it mean?"

it's a disgrace. NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS WRITTEN. they get it from paperbacks at the local Christian occult store.
and TV...and John Hagee.

it's all so simple....and the church (jews and gentiles) have understood the simplicity for 19 centuries.
until the blasphemers opened a printing press called Oxford and cranked out a satanic bible.
they LOVE IT.
they went out from us. if they were ever of us.

 

[BradC]

there was a time, even recently when i would show you how wrong you are.
it's all in Daniel.
but i now believe that people who continue to teach this satanic doctrine after being shown the truth need to hear this:

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

Please don't show us or anyone else what you believe on this. Keep it to yourself and believe it as you wish. Leave Israel and the Jews to the Lord and allow him to do as he sees fit and has purposed. That is my request and I hope you can honor it so that others can grow in the grace and truth they have in Christ. Thanks for your cooperation and your noble restraint. You are very good with the finished work, so why not focus on that and edify others who are lowly in heart.

 

[Praus]

Leave Israel and the Jews to the Lord

This thread is about supporting our "Local Jews", not about leaving them to the Lord.

 

[zone]

I really liked that Philip Mauro study that you posted (other thread). I think I understand a lot more about Daniel's prophecy now, although I still need to study further. And I'm fairly sure if some of the people on this thread read the same thing, they would be more convinced that Daniel's prophecies have been fulfilled. Are there any similar studies you know regarding Revelation?

With regards "the antichrist", don't people mean who is spoken of in 2 Thes 2:3 - 4 when they refer to this (i.e. man of sin)?
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Or does this also refer to the same text in Daniel? What about the beast in Revelation?

i'm not going into that again in this thread.
they're on their own.
they will not listen.
if the Holy Spirit isn't convicting them, that's their problem.
this garbage has DESTROYED the Biblical Gospel - for them, and everyone they teach.

Paul said right HERE what happens if ANYONE comes (even himself or the other Apostles) and brings any other gospel:

Galatians 1:8
8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

their Gospel has been taken to it's satanic conclusion by John Hagee.
if they can read what he says and persist, it appears to be judgment on them.