Israel furious at UN report detailing torture of Palestinian children
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Well, let's look at scripture.
"them that believe"
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
"them that believe"
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
I find it interesting I am being called closed minded when it was I, not you, that gave Israel's response, easily found after five minutes of research.
To present one side without even considering the other kinda defines closed mindedness doesn't it?
Lets recap...I am a bigot for saying the democrat party is supported by minorities they do not help and I am closed minded for presenting the other side in a debate.
Oh I forgot, I am called out for spelling errors...lol!
Nuff said.
To present one side without even considering the other kinda defines closed mindedness doesn't it?
Lets recap...I am a bigot for saying the democrat party is supported by minorities they do not help and I am closed minded for presenting the other side in a debate.
Oh I forgot, I am called out for spelling errors...lol!
Nuff said.
why should they?
even if the Nation of Israel today were prophecy (it isn't) - God commanded they treat the residents of the Land as themselves. they were not to be treated differently or oppressed.
God's instructions are everywhere. but for some reason we have this idea only one group doesn't have to obey to live in the Land.
Deuteronomy 2:5
Do not provoke them to war, for I will not give you any of their land, not even enough to put your foot on. I have given Esau the hill country of Seir as his own.
Deuteronomy 2:19
When you come to the Ammonites, do not harass them or provoke them to war, for I will not give you possession of any land belonging to the Ammonites. I have given it as a possession to the descendants of Lot."
what's wrong with a One State solution?
even if the Nation of Israel today were prophecy (it isn't) - God commanded they treat the residents of the Land as themselves. they were not to be treated differently or oppressed.
God's instructions are everywhere. but for some reason we have this idea only one group doesn't have to obey to live in the Land.
Deuteronomy 2:5
Do not provoke them to war, for I will not give you any of their land, not even enough to put your foot on. I have given Esau the hill country of Seir as his own.
Deuteronomy 2:19
When you come to the Ammonites, do not harass them or provoke them to war, for I will not give you possession of any land belonging to the Ammonites. I have given it as a possession to the descendants of Lot."
what's wrong with a One State solution?
Congratulations. That is one of the most convincing arguments for a one-state solution a religiously-minded individual such as myself has heard. I just believe that it makes horrible sense to a secular mind. And it would likely require God's intervention to keep the Jews from becoming an oppressed People yet again. In light of that let's remember that Israel was not to suffer the coexistence of some of its enemies. So what does that entail for those Palestinians who hate Israel and have shed Israeli blood?
Psalm 83:1-6 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
Let's be sure that by trying to obey God we're not helping the enemy infiltrate his People to usurp the country for themselves. And it would be hard for me to deny that possibility in light of Black September and religious extremism.
Psalm 83:1-6 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
Let's be sure that by trying to obey God we're not helping the enemy infiltrate his People to usurp the country for themselves. And it would be hard for me to deny that possibility in light of Black September and religious extremism.
this is ridiculous.
jews and the arabs and others who live in the Land live under one set of Laws...equal opportunities and punishments.
take down the walls, release political prisoners; adjudicate injustices; make reparations on both sides...and live peacefully.
please don't tell me jews don't habour hatred and disdain for gentiles - (which would be as much a mitigating factor in disharmony as anyone else's issues.) - they do.
israel is not a victim.
ONE STATE. one set of Laws.
get along.
the rest of us have to.
jews and the arabs and others who live in the Land live under one set of Laws...equal opportunities and punishments.
take down the walls, release political prisoners; adjudicate injustices; make reparations on both sides...and live peacefully.
please don't tell me jews don't habour hatred and disdain for gentiles - (which would be as much a mitigating factor in disharmony as anyone else's issues.) - they do.
israel is not a victim.
ONE STATE. one set of Laws.
get along.
the rest of us have to.
I didn't call you closed minded, I think you're confusing me with someone else.
Mocking and sarcasm towards minority ethnic groups in the US certainly implies bigotry. If you substitute the word "Jews" for "blacks and hispanics" in the following then it should be clear.
As an American and a supporter of Israel's right to exist as a democratic state, I entertain the idea that you're do that to make the Zionism appear anti-intellectual.
Ok.
Mocking and sarcasm towards minority ethnic groups in the US certainly implies bigotry. If you substitute the word "Jews" for "blacks and hispanics" in the following then it should be clear.
As an American and a supporter of Israel's right to exist as a democratic state, I entertain the idea that you're do that to make the Zionism appear anti-intellectual.
Ok.
I've actually gotten the impression that most Israeli Jews are secular. Maybe you're thinking of a few Orthodox. But then again the Orthodox hate everything, including the state of Israel. lol But when Israeli Jews meet American Christians they're surprised at how receptive and kind they are. And they open right up. So I don't think it's necessarily anger or hate but concern. You go through a few pogroms and a hollocaust and you tend to like your little corner of the woods better than the Gentiles'. To break down those boundaries and let the Gentiles in again doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. And can you blame them after what history has taught them time and time again? Can't erase 2200 years of senseless persecution over night.
Do you live in a nation surrounded by other nations out to destroy you?
Do you live in a nation with weekly terrorist attacks?
The ideal Israel is doing nothing to end this is, well, hiding your head in the sand. Time and time again Israel has offered many compromises only to have it thrown into their faces.
YOU CANNOT NEGOTIATE WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT YOU ALL DEAD.
In that environment of fight or die. atrocities are going to happen. I know, the real world isn't pretty or nice but it is what it is.
''Mocking and sarcasm towards minority ethnic groups in the US certainly implies bigotry. If you substitute the word "Jews" for "blacks and hispanics" in the following then it should be clear.''
You will have to show me where I mocked any minority here. All I said was hispanics and blacks vote for democrats and have not been treated well by them. That's fact.
Do you live in a nation with weekly terrorist attacks?
The ideal Israel is doing nothing to end this is, well, hiding your head in the sand. Time and time again Israel has offered many compromises only to have it thrown into their faces.
YOU CANNOT NEGOTIATE WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT YOU ALL DEAD.
In that environment of fight or die. atrocities are going to happen. I know, the real world isn't pretty or nice but it is what it is.
''Mocking and sarcasm towards minority ethnic groups in the US certainly implies bigotry. If you substitute the word "Jews" for "blacks and hispanics" in the following then it should be clear.''
You will have to show me where I mocked any minority here. All I said was hispanics and blacks vote for democrats and have not been treated well by them. That's fact.
many israeli jews are "secular" in that they do not practice Judaism.
they are still taught what it means to "be Jewish" - according to the jewish worldview.
it behooves us to understand what that is.
you've noted the idea that gentiles are foaming at the mouth to do in the jews, and this is what many are taught.
is it really what history shows?
this is such a volatile issue, we rarely get anywhere when comes down to examining the narratives and claims beyond what you have written. we're not permitted to.
but maybe we can hear it from someone else:
“Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the religious scholar and spiritual leader of Israel's Sephardic Jews who transformed his downtrodden community of immigrants from North Africa and Arab nations and their descendants into a powerful force in Israeli politics, died on Monday... Yosef was often called the outstanding Sephardic rabbinical authority of the century. His prominence helped boost the confidence of his community, which makes up roughly half of Israel's population...” - AP Oct 7
......
“An eminent rabbi who heads Israel's third biggest political party sparked an uproar in Israel for saying that 6 million Jews perished in the Holocaust because they were reincarnations of sinners. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef was speaking in his weekly Saturday night sermon that is broadcast over the party’s radio stations and is beamed overseas by satellite. He said the six million Holocaust victims ‘were reincarnations of the souls of sinners, people who transgressed and did all sorts of things that should not be done. They had been reincarnated in order to atone.’ [Associated Press, Aug. 6, 2000].
Yehoshua Mashav told Israel Radio that “in plain language (Rabbi) Yosef was saying that Hitler...‘was simply the messenger of God sent to give the Jewish people their just desserts.” [The Independent (UK), Aug. 6, 2000].
“May the Holy Name visit retribution on the Arab heads, and cause their seed to be lost, and annihilate them. It is forbidden to have pity on them. We must give them missiles with relish, annihilate them. Evil ones, damnable ones.” [2001 Passover sermon. Cf. Haaretz, April 12, 2001].
is there an excuse for this?
what would that excuse be?
there's a reason for it - The Babylonian Talmud teaches it.
does anything excuse it?
is it likely to engender goodwill?
is goodwill the desire?
“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel...With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.” [Jerusalem Post, October 18, 2010].
this is not a fringe crackpot.
look him up.
he was top dog.
they are still taught what it means to "be Jewish" - according to the jewish worldview.
it behooves us to understand what that is.
you've noted the idea that gentiles are foaming at the mouth to do in the jews, and this is what many are taught.
is it really what history shows?
this is such a volatile issue, we rarely get anywhere when comes down to examining the narratives and claims beyond what you have written. we're not permitted to.
but maybe we can hear it from someone else:
“Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the religious scholar and spiritual leader of Israel's Sephardic Jews who transformed his downtrodden community of immigrants from North Africa and Arab nations and their descendants into a powerful force in Israeli politics, died on Monday... Yosef was often called the outstanding Sephardic rabbinical authority of the century. His prominence helped boost the confidence of his community, which makes up roughly half of Israel's population...” - AP Oct 7
......
“An eminent rabbi who heads Israel's third biggest political party sparked an uproar in Israel for saying that 6 million Jews perished in the Holocaust because they were reincarnations of sinners. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef was speaking in his weekly Saturday night sermon that is broadcast over the party’s radio stations and is beamed overseas by satellite. He said the six million Holocaust victims ‘were reincarnations of the souls of sinners, people who transgressed and did all sorts of things that should not be done. They had been reincarnated in order to atone.’ [Associated Press, Aug. 6, 2000].
Yehoshua Mashav told Israel Radio that “in plain language (Rabbi) Yosef was saying that Hitler...‘was simply the messenger of God sent to give the Jewish people their just desserts.” [The Independent (UK), Aug. 6, 2000].
“May the Holy Name visit retribution on the Arab heads, and cause their seed to be lost, and annihilate them. It is forbidden to have pity on them. We must give them missiles with relish, annihilate them. Evil ones, damnable ones.” [2001 Passover sermon. Cf. Haaretz, April 12, 2001].
is there an excuse for this?
what would that excuse be?
there's a reason for it - The Babylonian Talmud teaches it.
does anything excuse it?
is it likely to engender goodwill?
is goodwill the desire?
“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel...With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.” [Jerusalem Post, October 18, 2010].
this is not a fringe crackpot.
look him up.
he was top dog.
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Any human rights violations against Israel? Terrorist attack after terrorist attack...THOUSANDS of years of oppression and many times has Israel been threatened with genocide...
you just cannpot admit that Israel isn't just sitting there torturing people. Its a state under siege from almost all of its neighbors and many others around the world...JUST for being jews.
This site gives, I think, an accurate view of the conflict and Israel's attempts to make peace, reparations and to secede a vast majority of the west bank and other territories, which Arafat refused, with no counter offer.
Peace process in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
less than 5 minutes research...and I am not a researcher.
Amazing.
you just cannpot admit that Israel isn't just sitting there torturing people. Its a state under siege from almost all of its neighbors and many others around the world...JUST for being jews.
This site gives, I think, an accurate view of the conflict and Israel's attempts to make peace, reparations and to secede a vast majority of the west bank and other territories, which Arafat refused, with no counter offer.
Peace process in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
less than 5 minutes research...and I am not a researcher.
Amazing.
If that's the case it flies in the face of the original values Israel was rebuilt on - that being redeeming the land through labor and thereby becoming independent. Look at the kibbutzim that still operate in Israel. They were founded upon this principle - the idea that personal, manual labor was liberating and a holy work. Anyway, this sort of thinking is in complete opposition to Zionism, and it seems there were Jews who condemned his statements as well.
As for that statement he claims to have been misquoted, and that he was referring to Islamic terrorists. And he later apologized.
As for that statement he claims to have been misquoted, and that he was referring to Islamic terrorists. And he later apologized.