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"Is There A Second Chance?
Saturday, August 10th, 2013
A Bible Study by Jack Kelley
If you believe as I do that the Bible teaches the rapture of the Church will occur before Daniel’s 70th Week begins then you’ve no doubt wondered what will happen to those among your friends and family who will miss it. Will they get another chance to be saved?"
http://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/
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purleeze.
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BradC
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The things that take place during that time of great tribulation will either humble the hearts of people or it will harden them with bitterness. The false church will be there, made up of Jew and Gentile false brethren, propagating the leaven of false doctrine, infested with seducing spirits and doctrines of demons, as they try to bring some form of false peace of a false messiah, who will perish with their own destruction.
.....ROFL!!![video=youtube;taADLPtyDb0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taADLPtyDb0[/video]
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BradC
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These are like the children that came out of the city to mock Elijah in (2 Kings 2:23,24).
23 He went up from Jericho to Bethel. On the way, young [maturing and accountable] boys came out of the city and mocked him and said to him, Go up in a whirlwind, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!
24 And he turned around and looked at them and called a curse down on them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and ripped up forty-two of the boys.
The two she-bears are coming and they will be doing some ripping. I like the story because it is very practical who God backs up.
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jahsoul
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Actually Mr. BradC, this is nothing like that.
*Elisha was from the Northern Kingdom, i.e. not a Judean.
*No one here is mocking God's elect (if you think those that practice Judaism are God's elect, we have some reading to do)
*Elisha was from the Northern Kingdom, i.e. not a Judean.
*No one here is mocking God's elect (if you think those that practice Judaism are God's elect, we have some reading to do)
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BradC
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There was no implication, just a fun post because I like she-bears that devour mocking children who think they are wise but are not. Don't get too headed like some do here and miss much, including the mercy and grace of God. Long live the nation of Israel, all the way through the Millennium and then some, who will see their Messiah and believe, removing the blindness and hardness of their heart. They will be delivered and have great remorse seeing the one who they have pierced. Zone, don't give me those verses that do not apply, because you are way off on that with your bad doctrine. Bad, bad doctrine. Shame on you because of your wounded spirit.
tremble, Red.
calling sacred events 'bad bad doctrine'. openly.
John 19:37
Jesus' Side is Pierced
36For these things came to pass to fulfill the Scripture, "NOT A BONE OF HIM SHALL BE BROKEN." 37And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."
You did not identify the source of your quotes.
Make your argument again, and this time be specific.
Nowhere does the NT call itself a "dispensation."
That is your notion, not the NT's notion.
John says that prophecy was fulfilled by the soldiers who pierced him (Jn 19:36-37).
Outside your own unsure interpretation of prophetic riddles, where is there Biblical warrant
for a second fulfillment?
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BradC
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I'll take the hit, you and Zone are both wrong and it has been refuted many times over by different ones this site who just get mocked and ridiculed. John 19:36,37 is not the same as Zech 12:10-14 or Rev 1:7 and not even close.
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CoooCaw
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i gave you the dots
i joined the dots
i am not gonna waste my time jumping through your hoops and giving you a white cane
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RachelBibleStudent
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lately i have noticed a handful of people taking this angle...'why don't you just debate her theories on their merits?'...and i think a response is warranted...
you are new here so maybe you aren't aware of it...but many of us here -have- debated her views and soundly refuted them...as well as exposed numerous cases of dishonesty on her part...
what she usually does is run away from a thread when she is losing the debate...and then a few weeks later she tries to start over from the beginning of her script as if nothing ever happened...challenging people to the same old debates all over again...
at this point many of us are simply tired of reinventing the wheel...and that is why her debate challenges are often ignored these days...
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Married_Richenbrachen
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I have been through a few of the older threads, but in all I've seen, I have to admit I've found Zone to be pretty thorough in supporting her claims, for issues both within scripture and without (these still from a scriptural perspective). I've also seen a few of the so-called debates reduced to ad hominem attacks, so I don't think you can call retiring from an insult free-for-all "running away". Same applies if clear facts are presented, and these are rejected ("don't cast pearls before swine" etc.)
By all means, if there's a thread where a holocaust is defined and someone denies they exist or something, I can accept that whoever denies the existence of holocausts can honestly be termed a "holocaust denier". But unless and until someone can provide that thread (can you?), I'm going to take the position that the accused is innocent, and the accusers who have provided no evidence of their claims are liars and slanderers.
All agree that Jesus was pierced in the past. This was fulfilled, we all agree on that.
Jesus is referred to by many names. One of them is "the One who they pierced". When we see this term used we know it is referring to Jesus, because He was the One pierced. Instead of calling Him Jesus, He is referred to in some scriptures as "the One who they pierced" - it's a way He is identified.
Confusion arises when one takes the word "pierced" and assumes that entire scripture is speaking of the crucifixion. Then in associating the word with a past event one says that the entire scripture has been fulfilled, not seeing that the scripture in question is not talking about the past crucifixion at all, it is talking about a future event.
Zech 12:10: “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn"
This scripture is not speaking of Christ's crucifixion, it's talking about the last days. Zech 12:10 has not yet been fulfilled. It's one of the preconditions of Christ's second coming.
Matthew 23:37-39: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ "
Hosea 5:15: "I will go and return to My place Till they acknowledge their offense. Then they will seek My face; In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”
Before there can be a cleansing of Israel's sins, and before there can be a Second Coming, Israel must first look to the one they have pierced and mourn for Him as a person that mourns for their only son. As I quoted in Matthew 23, before Jesus will come back, Israel must plead for Him to return, with the words "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord" (the confession first and then the plea for His return). They will not see Him until these two things happen. They will come to realize what they have done, that they rejected Jesus.
Just like the Jewish leaders once led all to reject Jesus, the leaders will some day lead many Jews to the acceptance of Jesus.
Hosea 6:1-3: Come, and let us return to the Lord; For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up. After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up, That we may live in His sight. Let us know, Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord. His going forth is established as the morning; He will come to us like the rain, Like the latter and former rain to the earth"
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There is no biblical principle at all to support a people based upon their ethnicity, especially when they are God haters and Christ haters. Paul writes 1 Cor 16:22
22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
He does not write if any man except a ethnic jew does he ?
22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
He does not write if any man except a ethnic jew does he ?
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Linda70
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THE NAZIFICATION OF LIBERAL CHRISTIANITY..
Posted in Israel News on May 13, 2013
by Giulio Meotti
In their ideological assault on the Jews, early Christian theologians interpreted the Roman victory over the Jews, the loss of the Jewish kingdom, the Jews’ capital Jerusalem and the land of Israel as evidence of God’s abandonment of the Jews. God was then pictured as “in there punching” on the side of Christianity and Christians against Judaism and Jews.
That monstrous theology is again at the center of Protestant liberal Christianity, which is breathing new life into a demonology that bans Israel from the family of nations. A systematized, hostile conception of the Jews and Jewish history has again become part of Protestant Christianity.
In a new report titled “The Inheritance of Abraham? The ‘Promised Land’”, the Church of Scotland says Israel does not belong to the Jewish people. It is the Christian dismissal of collective Jewish endeavour.
”Promises about the land of Israel were never intended to be taken literally, or as applying to a defined geographical territory,” it says. “The ‘promised land’ in the Bible is not a place, so much as a metaphor of how things ought to be among the people of God. This ‘promised land’ can be found, or built, anywhere.”
The New Testament, the report states, contains a “radical re-interpretation” of the concepts of “Israel,” “temple,” “Jerusalem,” and “land.”
“The boundaries of the land are described in different ways in different situations,” the report says. “Abraham’s descendants, ‘numerous as the stars in the sky’, will receive ‘all these lands,’ and through them ‘all nations on earth will be blessed’“ (Genesis 26:4). This suggests a more inclusive picture than “the land of Canaan” (Genesis 12:5) or even “from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates” (Genesis 15:18).
According to this Christian document, Jewish history has become “Palestinian Arab history” and the Jewish nation (“Am Yisrael”) that ruled in the Holy Land for a thousand years and developed a world-shaking culture never existed.
The Christian document is pure anti-Semitism, since it presents the Jews as stateless beings.
The Church of Scotland’s report is the first major Christian document envisioning a world without Israel. It contains the same diatribes of the early Christians against the Jews, like Jerome’s “the Jews as Judases”, Augustine’s “the Jews as Witness People” and John Chrysostom’s “slay the Jews”.
THE NAZIFICATION OF LIBERAL CHRISTIANITY..
Ever hear of Chrislam and Christian Palestinianism? These two false doctrines are the "fruit" of this "nazification" of liberal Christianity.
Posted in Israel News on May 13, 2013
by Giulio Meotti
In their ideological assault on the Jews, early Christian theologians interpreted the Roman victory over the Jews, the loss of the Jewish kingdom, the Jews’ capital Jerusalem and the land of Israel as evidence of God’s abandonment of the Jews. God was then pictured as “in there punching” on the side of Christianity and Christians against Judaism and Jews.
That monstrous theology is again at the center of Protestant liberal Christianity, which is breathing new life into a demonology that bans Israel from the family of nations. A systematized, hostile conception of the Jews and Jewish history has again become part of Protestant Christianity.
In a new report titled “The Inheritance of Abraham? The ‘Promised Land’”, the Church of Scotland says Israel does not belong to the Jewish people. It is the Christian dismissal of collective Jewish endeavour.
”Promises about the land of Israel were never intended to be taken literally, or as applying to a defined geographical territory,” it says. “The ‘promised land’ in the Bible is not a place, so much as a metaphor of how things ought to be among the people of God. This ‘promised land’ can be found, or built, anywhere.”
The New Testament, the report states, contains a “radical re-interpretation” of the concepts of “Israel,” “temple,” “Jerusalem,” and “land.”
“The boundaries of the land are described in different ways in different situations,” the report says. “Abraham’s descendants, ‘numerous as the stars in the sky’, will receive ‘all these lands,’ and through them ‘all nations on earth will be blessed’“ (Genesis 26:4). This suggests a more inclusive picture than “the land of Canaan” (Genesis 12:5) or even “from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates” (Genesis 15:18).
According to this Christian document, Jewish history has become “Palestinian Arab history” and the Jewish nation (“Am Yisrael”) that ruled in the Holy Land for a thousand years and developed a world-shaking culture never existed.
The Christian document is pure anti-Semitism, since it presents the Jews as stateless beings.
The Church of Scotland’s report is the first major Christian document envisioning a world without Israel. It contains the same diatribes of the early Christians against the Jews, like Jerome’s “the Jews as Judases”, Augustine’s “the Jews as Witness People” and John Chrysostom’s “slay the Jews”.
THE NAZIFICATION OF LIBERAL CHRISTIANITY..
Ever hear of Chrislam and Christian Palestinianism? These two false doctrines are the "fruit" of this "nazification" of liberal Christianity.
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Married_Richenbrachen
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This article is actually anti-Semitic itself, because Christians are the true Jews, and the article seems to ignore this obvious fact.
And since when does a religion have a right to its own country? All the once-Christian countries have been taken over by Talmudic Judaism (in the name of secularism). I really can't stand such anti-Semitic propaganda.
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Linda70
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Christians are not true Jews. Gentiles "in Christ" are Abraham's "spiritual seed" because of their faith in Christ Jesus. These born again Gentiles remain ethnic Gentiles as the ethnic Jews "in Christ" (which I am) remain ethnic Jews. Faith in Christ does not change one's ethnicity. The Church is NOT "spiritual Israel" and neither is a Gentile a "spiritual Jew".