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I like the Geneva Bible also. It is a phenomenal Bible. It is one of the English Bibles of the Protestant Reformation and it is also part of the purified line of English Bibles which God authorized.
And it was the very Bible that came before the precious King James Holy Bible.
So keep in mind Jason, that it is the Authorized King James Bible that is God's perfect word. God has blessed and used the Kind James Holy Bible for 402 years now and will continue to use this Great Book for His great purpose and plan.
No, you are wrong.
The text of the Authorized Version is inerrant and infallible and you cannot prove otherwise sir. And neither can any other Alexandrian.
I answered this question of yours in post #74:
But I will repeat it here:
If one would read the Preface, then they will know that while the English Language has gone through several changes, it is still no where near the amount of change that the modern version advocates are suggesting and insinuating.
Wrong.
The King James Bible is not obsolete, nor is it hard to read. The King James Bible mainly uses one to two syllable words while the modern Vatican versions use 3 to 4 syllable words.
For proof of this, you click on the link given below:
Is the King James Bible too Difficult to Understand?
Now there are things in the Holy Bible which are difficult to understand, but with diligent study and comparing Scripture with Scripture, as well as relying on the Holy Ghost for understanding, those complex passages can be understood.
Remember EG, the King James Bible is a spiritual Book. There are things in the Scriptures that a lost person is just not going to be able to understand until he gets saved.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ. - 1 Corinthians 2:10-16 (King James Bible)
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. - 2 Peter 3:16 (King James Bible)
Now what God has ensured to be simple for any lost person to understand in the Holy Bible is the Gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
But again, keep in mind, that there will be things in the Holy Bible that in order for a Christian to correctly understand, he will have to study diligently, compare Scripture with Scripture, and rightly divide the word of truth.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15 (King James Bible)
It proves exactly the point which I already made. And that is that, the English language has not changed as much as the modern version advocates and Alexandrians are insinuating. The several changes which the English language went through does not warrant or justify the 250+ English modern translations that are currently on the market.
No, I am sure that many of them would know exactly what I am saying. In fact, they would most likely know who I am quoting as well.
The phrase: "Verily, verily, I say unto you," appears 20 times. And all of the occurrences of this very phrase is in the Gospel of John. Are you aware that John 3:16 is one of the most popular verses? A lot of the lost people out there know what John 3:16 says. Another popular verse today is Matthew 7:1. And of course when a lost person quotes it, it is just about always quoted out of context since they leave out the verses 2,3,4 and 5.
EG, you seem to be implying that no lost person has ever heard the Biblical phrase: "Verily, verily, I say unto you."
I am very sure that a lot of lost people have heard that Biblical phrase many times. Again, that exact phrase can only be found in the book of the Gospel of John. If a lot of the lost people out there have heard and know very well what John 3:16 in the King James Bible says, well wouldn't you think that many of them would also be familiar with the Biblical phrase: "Verily, verily, I say unto you,"?
Our Lord Jesus Christ is the only one who says this exact phrase. And when he does say this phrase, it is always followed with a message that Jesus is getting across to His apostles or another group of people. Here are some examples from the Scriptures:
51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you,Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man. - John 1:51 (KJV)
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. - John 5:19-20 (KJV)
24Verily, verily, I say unto you,He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. - John 5:24 (KJV)
10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. - John 10:1-2 (KJV)
And so forth. Therefore it can be understood that when our Lord Jesus says that very phrase, that He is about to give His apostles a teaching of His.
So EG, your argument is a very poor one.
And by the way EG, if you really have a hard time understanding the Biblical phrase: "Verily, verily, I say unto you," well then you need to spend more time studying the Scriptures. The meaning of that biblical phrase is very clear.
Nope. It is right.
I already answered this question of yours EG in Post #70.
God's word has always been available. They had the Old Latin Bibles back then in the 2nd century. The Waldensians also had their own Bible that came from the pure, Antiochan text.
EG, what point are you trying to make here?
The Bible says that all Scripture is given by inspiration of God. Timothy did not have the original autographs in his possession. What he had was a copy of the holy Scriptures.
Some of the Non-English speaking people do have a Bible. The Spanish have the Reina Valera, the French have the Louise Segond, the Germans have the Martin Luther Bible, the Arabs have the Arabic Bible (Van Dyck translation), and so forth.
A forign translation is reliable as long as it sticks with the correct Hebrew and Greek texts, which are the ones which the King James Bible is based upon.
Yes the original autographs have disappeared sir. You have not seen an original autograph a day in your life and you know it.
What we have today are copies of the originals. But we do not have the originals themselves.
Well again, to determine whether or not a foreigner has the right Bible, is what Greek and Hebrew texts are they based on? If they are based on the same underlying Hebrew and Greek texts that underlie the King James Bible, then that foreign translation is a very good, reliable, and trustworthy one.
Massive damage?
No EG, I am simply sharing the truth and for those who have the eyes to see and the ears to hear, then they will be persuaded that the side which defends God's perfect Final Authority is the right side of the Bible Version Issue.
EG, understand this sir, we are to separate over doctrine. Christians are to separate over Doctrinal matters (Rom. 16:17).
Regarding Judgment, Christians are to judge righteous judgment (John 7:24, & 1 Corinthians 2:15).
And in regard to division, again, it depends on what kind of division you are talking about. You see sir, truth divides. We know this because when our Lord Jesus Christ was on this earth, His words and sayings caused division among people, but it was the RIGHT kind of division.
John 7:43 (KJV): So there was a division among the people because of him. (Jesus)
Luke 12:51 (KJV):Suppose ye that I (Jesus) am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
John 10:19 (KJV): There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. (Of Jesus)
So we see that Jesus caused division because He spoke the truth boldly. In fact, He was and is the Truth manifested (John 14:6).
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6 (KJV)
The truth will always divide people EG. The truth is never popular.
I already answered that question of yours EG. I answered it in post # 78.
Which translations are you exactly referring to? Are you referring to the Waldensian Bibles?
Have you ever read about the Dark Ages and how the Papacy persecuted the Waldensians for 1,000 years? The Waldensians and other Bible believing Christians were persecuted mercilessly by the Papacy and their Scriptures were destroyed.
But even through this intense persecution made by Satan's church (Catholic church) against Bible believing Christians and their Bibles, God was still faithful and kept His words and preserved them. That's why the following English Bibles were produced: (Wycliffe, Tyndale, Bishops,' Great Bible, Geneva) and that's why today we have the Authorized King James Bible. It has been available for 402 years now. It is absolutely amazing. Especially the Legacy and strong Bible believing heritage of the Authorized King James Bible.
How am I causing confusion sir? I am pointing Christians to the one true Book of the LORD.
I am not promoting the 250+ modern, contradicting, Vatican versions that are on the market today. So no, I am not causing confusion.
And in regard to your comment about a child not being able to comprehend, well think again!
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You're trying to cause confusion with these videos for starters. In the video you posted, right at 3:29 the narrator states that the KJV is written in Middle English when it's written in Early Modern English.
Doesn't he understand the idea of jots and tittles? So many KJV-only teachers don't understand the history of the English language...sigh.
Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (KJV PCE)
How many children could understand this text?
Mingled people (Jer. 25:20) from the nethermost (1 Kings 6:6) ate snuffdishes (Ex. 25:38) and palmerworm (Joel 1:4) every quarternion (Acts 12:4). Their sheepcote (2 Sam. 7:8) were in shambles (1 Cor. 10:25). Naught (Prov. 20:14) to worry. We outwent (Mk. 6:33) to bewray (Isa. 16:3) the breeches (Ex. 28:42) with putrifying sores (Isa. 1:6) on the sackbut (Dan 3:5).
Beeves (Lev. 22:19) armholes (Jer. 38:12) and emerods (Deut. 28:27) canker (2 Tim. 2:17) the bald locust (Lev. 11:22) before horseleach (Prov. 30:15) broilered (Ex. 28:4) the calves of our lips (Hos. 14:2) and cast the same in his teeth (Mt. 27:44) burning ague (Lev. 26:16) and chalkstones (Isa. 27:9)! Besom (Isa. 14:23) liers (Josh. 8:14) girt (2 Kings 1:8) the hasty fruit (Isa. 28:4) while lapwing (Lev. 11:19) helve (Deut. 19:5) the hindmost (Num. 2:31) apothecary (Ex. 30:25). The ambushment (2 Chron. 13:13) cauls (Isa. 3:18) chapiter (1 Kings 7:16) from ambassage (Lk. 14:32) and his flesh pots (Ex. 16:3) freckled spot (Lev. 13:39) the mallows (Job 30:4). Then nergal (2 Kings 17:30) mufflers (Isa. 3:19) astonied (Ezra 9:4) the farthing (Mt. 5:26) flagons (Isa. 22:24) mincing (Isa. 3:16) mete (Ex. 16:18), maw (Deut. 18:3) and assupim (1 Chron. 26:15). Afterwards the college (2 Kings 22:14) oil tree (Isa. 41:19) was neesings (Job 41:18), plaiting (1 Pet. 3:3) pleasant plants (Isa. 17:10) and rereward (Number 10:25) ribband (Num. 15:38).
Moreover, the portray (Ezek. 4:1) bloody flux (Acts 28:8) botch (Deut. 28:27) his ossifrage (Lev. 11:13) while the pommels (2 Chron. 4:12) pygarg (Deut. 14:5) his victual (Ex. 12:39). Waxed rich (Rev. 18:3) caused a tender eyed (Gen. 29:17) unicorn (Numbers 23:22) to spikenard (Mark 14:3) the sabaoth (Rom. 9:29) the same time a cankerworm (Joel 1:4) cheek teeth (Joel 1:6) the exactors (Isa. 60:17). But that’s not all! The crisping pins (Isa. 3:22) fell out of the chamois (Dt. 14:5) fray (Jer. 7:33) engines (Ezek. 26:9) and succour (Heb. 2:18) the malefactor (John 18:30) into the lily work (1 Kings 7:19)!
For those who think this is but succothbenoth (2 Kings 17:30), vain janglings (1 Tim. 1:6) and superfluity of naughtiness (James 1:21), winefat (Isa. 63:2) and wist (Joshua 8:14) will unstopped (Isa. 35:5). Trow (Luke 17:9) the wreathen (Ex. 28:14) and gay clothing (James 2:3) over the clift (Ex. 33:32) and churl (Isa. 32:5) the checker work (1 Kings 7:17) down the firepans (2 Kings 25:15) and on hungerbitten (Job 18:12) hoar frost (Ex. 16:14). The latchet (Mark 1:7) to the lowering (Mt. 16:3) has occurrent (1 Kings 5:4) and even munition (Isa. 29:7). The mortar (Num. 11:8) pavement (Esther 1:6) is below the almug (1 Kings 10:12) and pressfat (Hag. 2:16) the sheaf (Gen. 37:7). Understandeth what thou readeth?
Understandeth what thou readeth? I think your teachers are trying to lead young people away from understanding Jesus Christ and that you're going along with it.
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Did English witches in 1611 prefer riding in the sky on a besom, or a broom? They're not exactly the same.
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Today's English word of the day: sith
SITH, adv. Since; in later times. (1828 Webster's Dictionary)
Ezek 35:6 Therefore, [as] I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee. (KJV PCE)
“Fare thee well, king: sith thus thou wilt appear,
Freedom lives hence, and banishment is here.” --Kent, King Lear,William Shakespeare (1606)
Okay could you give an example between Middle English and Early Modern English?
Another thing, What I am doing in posting these videos is simply sharing good information on the Bible Version Issue.
The Host of the Program of the video that I posted, was simply allowing his 9 year old Granddaughter to share how she can read, understand and memorize the King James Bible really well.
And by the way, what is causing a lot of the confusion in the Body of Christ is the multiple, conflicting and contradicting modern versions that are currently on the market. That's the cause of the confusion and also it is the main cause for the falling away and apostasy.
I am sure plenty of Children could unadvertised that text. I am also sure that that 9 year old saved girl also understands that text. If you watched the whole video and didn't just skim through it, then you would know that one of the passages that she had memorized was Hebrews 11:1-6 KJV:
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. - Hebrews 11:1-6 (King James Bible)
Okay now since you gave several lists above of a number of the archaic words that are in the Bible. Now let me give you a list of the archaic words which are found in the New International Version (NIV).
So if you were not aware that the modern versions also contained archaic words, well you do now!
Here is the list of the archaic words which you will find in an NIV:
tethered ( 2 Ki 7:10)
sullen (1 Ki 21:5)
tempest (Job 27:20, 37:9)
yearling (Isa. 11:6)
wadi (Num. 34:5)
waylaid (1 Sam. 15:2)
wily (Job 5:13)
waywardness (Hosea 14:4)
vestments (Ezra 3:10)
underlings ( 2 Ki 19:6 & Isa. 37:6)
tresses (Song 7:5)
tinder (Isa. 1:31)
terebinth (Hosea 4:13)
stadia (Rev. 14:20)
stag (Song 2:9)
squall (Mark 4:37 & Luke 8:23)
sistrums (2 Sam. 6:5)
siege works (Deu. 20:20 & Ecc. 9:14)
rifts (Jer. 2:6)
revelry (Exd. 2:36 & Isa. 22:2)
satraps (Ezr. 8:36)
proconsul (Acts 13:12)
Praetorium (Mark 15:16)
profligate (Deu. 21:20)
portico (1 Ki 7:19)
poultice (Isa. 38:21)
portent (Isa. 20:3)
parapet (Eze. 40:13)
porphyry (Est. 1:6)
pinions (Deut. 32:11)
Nubians (Dan. 11:43)
Negev (Num. 13:22)
Nephilim (Num. 13:33)
marshaled (2 Chron. 25:11)
maxiums (Job 13:12)
insolence (Isa. 16:6)
insolent (Prov. 29:21)
jowls (Deut. 18:3)
ignoble ( 2 Tim. 2:20)
incited (1 Sam. 26:19)
jeered (2 Ki 2:23)
joists (2 Chron. 34:11)
hoopoe (Deut. 14:18)
impetuous (Job 6:3)
incurs (Prov. 9:7)
ibex (Deut. 14:5)
gecko (Lev. 11:30)
glistcning ( Job 41:32)
gaunt (Psalm 109:24)
gauntness (Job 16:8)
fawns (Gen. 49:21)
famished (Gen. 25:29-30)
fieldstones (Deut. 27:6)
factions (Gal. 5:20)
elation (Prov. 28:12)
encroach (Prov. 23:10)
enthralled (Psa. 45:11)
enveloped (Isa. 42:25)
exasperate (Eph. 6:4)
embitter (Col. 3:21)
embittered (Psa. 73:21)
dragnet (Hab. 1:15-16)
detachment (1 Sam. 13:23)
dappled (Zech. 6:3 & 6:6)
dejected (Isa. 19:10)
drachmas ( Ezra 2:69 & Acts 19:19)
denarii ( Luke 7:41 & 10:35)
curds (2 Sam. 17:29)
carnelian (Exodus 28:17)
blustering (Job 8:2)
brooches (Exodus 35:22)
burnished (Eze. 1:7)
citron (Rev. 18:12)
charioteers (1 Chron. 19:7)
alcove (Eze. 40:12-13)
annotations (2 Chron. 24:27)
armlets (Num. 31:50)
cooing (Song 2:12)
abutted (Eze. 40:18)
aghast (Job 26:11)
acclamation (2 Chron. 15:14)
abasement (Ezra 9:5)
abashed (Isa. 24:13)
Now let me ask you Praus, do you understand those archaic words in the NIV?
Furthermore, if you are going to give me a list of all the archaic words that are in the Holy Scriptures (King James Bible), then if you were consistent, you would have also given me a list of the archaic words which are also found in the modern versions such as the NIV.
It's interesting how modern professing "Christians" will complain all day about the "Archaic" words that are in the King James Bible, and yet they will not make one complaint about the archaic words which are also in the modern versions. Modern versions such as the American Standard Version (1901), New International Version (1973, 1978, 2011), New King James Version (1982), New Revised Standard Version (1999), Living Bible (1971), etc.
Why is that Praus? Could it all be summed up in this one word: HYPOCRISY?
I think that is exactly what it is. So the bottom line Praus is this: If you are going to fuss and complain about the archaic words which are in the Holy Bible (King James Version), well then you should have also made a fuss about the archaic words which are also found in the NIV.
For what reason?
You're the one who's teaching people about the Bible Version Issue--you are the teacher.
Why would you need to rely on my knowledge, teacher?
Wow, look how quickly your writing style has changed.
I can see that I've tripped onto something that the devildoesn't want Christian Chat to know about.
Of course I have documentation--Gail Riplinger's own writing
Luke 16:13 ¶ No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
It it very clear that by stating that "G. A. Riplinger" means "God as author and Riplinger as secretary" that she is a straight up mammon worshipper.
http://www.biblefortoday.org/PDF/StringerOnRiplinger.pdf
IS GAIL RIPLINGER REALLY GOD’S SECRETARY?
In the January-February 1994 edition of the “End Times Victorious Living Prophecy Newsletter,” Gail Riplinger stated:
“Daily, during the six years needed for this investigation, the Lord miraculously brought the needed materials and resources—much like the ravens fed Elijah. Each discovery was not the result of effort on my part, but of the direct hand of God—so much so that I hesitated to even put my name on the book. Consequently, I used G. A. Riplinger—God as author and Riplinger as secretary.”
That is an incredible statement in Baptist circles. It is literally a claim to divine inspiration.
She further expands on this claim. In “Testimony, Question and Answer” (tape of an interview) she explains her role as God’s secretary:
“I used to look out the window at the little old ladies and think, Oh, if I could rake the leaves or if I could just get out of bed. But what God did over that period of six years—and I said to the Lord, I said, “Lord, you know I quit my job to do this research for you. Why would you put me in such an incapacitated state where I can’t do research?” And the Lord showed me over a period of years, that it wasn’t gonna be me and research and library, it was gonna be the Holy Spirit showing me things, and He was gonna take me aside, just like He did Ezekiel—Ezekiel was on one side for a year and on another side for a while, and he was dumb, and everything else. And the Holy Spirit was gonna do the work and this was gonna be His book, and it wasn’t gonna be my book at some head, cognitive research-type thing. It was gonna be something that He was gonna do. . .And, essentially, what would happen I would lay in bed all day—not through laziness—I was, I couldn’t move, I couldn’t—I was in so much pain, it was just, ah, it’s on the 50 on the Richter Scale with pain. And, so, ah, I’d lay in bed all day and I’d be in so much pain.
Well, when you lay in bed all day you can’t sleep at night. And, so, He would, He would say to me at about ten o’clock at night, He’d say (laughs), He’d say, “Well, get up and work on the book,” (laughs) and I’d say, “no, I’m too sick (laughs).” And He’d say, “Get up and work on the book,” and I’d say, “No.”—You see, we fought for 15 minutes every night for six years (laughs) and, ah, then after I told Him I was too sick, He’d say, “you’re in too much pain to sleep, aren’t you?” and I said, “Yeah, I know,” and, so, He said, “Well, get up and work on the book.” And, so I would always say, “I’m a woman and I don’t think women should do this.” (laughs) and He goes, “Get up and work on the book!” And, so, He goes, “Women make fine secretaries—that’s all we need here (laughs).” So, um—but every night for six years we had this little fifteen-minute battle and I’d get up and I’d work on it, and I would sit there in that chair, for six years. And I don’t know if you’ve ever been on a roller coaster but you know how white your knuckles are when you’re holding on for dear life, you know, because you think you’re gonna fall out. Well, I was in so much pain that I would hold on with one hand to the chair—white knuckles—and in the other hand I’m writing this book. And I’d sit there for the first—next—ten minutes and finally, I said, “This is ridiculous, this is ridiculous (laughs).” I’d say, “Okay, Lord,” you know. And then the devil whispered in my ear and he would tell me, “If you quit working on that book, if you throw away what you’ve found, I’ll leave you alone and you won’t be in any pain.” And I said, “Get thee behind me, Satan. We’re goin’ forward with this thing.” You know. I said, “In the, ah, Inquisition, people put up with this kind of stuff,” and I said, “I can put up with it (laughs) too.” . .And, so, for a period of six years, I worked on the book for about six to eight hours a day, researching, collating.”
As of July 26, 2010 this recorded interview was still being sold on Gail Riplinger’s website.
This is a very amazing story with very specific claims. She claims that God inspired her just like He did Ezekiel. She claims that she was just a secretary—the words were the Holy Spirit’s. She claimed a nightly conversation with God for six years. She claims that Satan made a specific offer to heal her if she would stop serving as God’s secretary.
No wonder that Gail Riplinger often compares herself to the prophetess Deborah.
In 1993, Gail Riplinger debated James White on radio station KRAS. He challenged her on her bizarre “acrostic algebra” (her own private form of numerology).
Her only defense was, “The Lord gave that to me one night.” And then, “The Lord gave me that formula.”
When you bring this up, Dr. Riplinger’s followers either try to change the subject or claim that she didn’t mean for her words to be taken literally. However, you can’t ignore this. Her entire “ministry” is based upon her claim to be “God’s Secretary.”
Do you believe that Gail Riplinger actually heard the voice of God every night for six years? Did she hear a voice? Did Satan directly speak to her? Was she inspired like Ezekiel?
Her claims are very specific! They are crucial to her “ministry.”
If she really had these supernatural conversations—was it really God that she heard? Demons delight in impersonating ghosts, outer space aliens, gods, angels, the Holy Spirit and God.
If Gail Riplinger didn’t hear voices nightly, then her entire ministry is a fraud. If she did hear voices—how do we know that one of them was God (she claims that the other was Satan).
You can’t avoid this issue or hide from it.
By definition, Baptists believe that the Bible is our sole authority. We don’t believe that God speaks audibly to anyone today. Our only authority is the plain, clear statements of the Scripture.
Charismatics might believe such a story like Gail Riplinger’s (she used to attend an Assembly of God church), but Baptists by definition, cannot.
The first question that anyone evaluating Gail Riplinger’s “ministry” must answer is this—“Do I believe her claims to divine inspiration?” Is she really God’s secretary? Everything depends on this.
Is Gail Riplinger really a modern-day Ezekiel or Deborah as she claims for herself? Is everything really for the “Greater Glory of Gail?”
What kind of megalomania does it take to compare yourself to Deborah or Ezekiel? All for the “Greater Glory of Gail.”
Now you know why someone who has no training in Greek and Hebrew can consider herself the greatest living authority on Greek or Hebrew. She is just “Gods’ secretary.”
Then why are you continuing to promote two teachers (at least two) that live as unrepentant adulterers right here on Christian Chat?
Is that the fruits that Christians should be seeking--unrepentant adulterers who say that their own book is equal to the Bible?
I love the King James Bible and after five weeks of this I'm starting to get annoyed that you continue to associate the majesty of the KJV Bible with one false teacher after another.
If you don't care about Jesus' own words in the King James Bible, how can you say that you "care about what the King James Bible says"?
You have put Gail Riplinger above Jesus Christ and you are trying to lead others on Christian Chat to do the same.
Matt 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. (KJV PCE)
Well actually it has been proven > Deciphering Zechariah 14:5 | An indepth analysis of Zechariah 14:5.
But, unfortunately, a closed mind and an unbelieving heart will disregard even the most compelling evidence in order to continue embracing cherished fantasies.
For what reason?
You're the one who's teaching people about the Bible Version Issue--you are the teacher.
Why would you need to rely on my knowledge, teacher?
Well Praus, here is the thing. YOUR the one who made this statement:
So I am simply asking you to geive some examples then. At least back up your statement with some examples that can be seen.
Now you know why someone who has no training in Greek and Hebrew can consider herself the greatest living authority on Greek or Hebrew. She is just “Gods’ secretary.”
First of all Praus, I do not agree with Gail Riplinger on everything. I don't agree with her past divorces. And IF the article written about her which you posted is true, well then I am not in agreement with her that she somehow received divine revelation or that she was inspired of God, or that she had a supernatural conversation with God.
I am going to be looking further into the article which you posted.
Furthermore, I believe that God speaks through His word today. And that the Holy Spirit can lead us, guide us and direct our paths. And I also believe that He can impress a thought or an idea upon us, and that that thought or idea will always be inline with His holy word. But I do not believe that God speaks audibly today. Again, I believe that God only speaks through His word.
*Update*
I just checked out that link and source which you posted Praus. And it took me to a book that was written by Phil Stringer: (The Messianic Claims of Gail A. Riplinger).
Now I need to forewarn you about Phil Stringer. Phil Stringer has already been proven to be a LIAR.
A good brother in the Lord, Bryan Denlinger, did a whole video on one of Phil Stringer's books: (Gail A. Riplinger's Occult Connections). Which is a book that Phil Stringer wrote to simply attack and defame Gail Riplinger through libel and deliberate falsehoods.
In the video below; within 44 minutes of it, Brother Bryan Denlinger documents four times where Phil Stringer lies about Gail Riplinger and 2 her books.
The Lunatic Ravings Of Phil Stringer
[video=youtube;6P2vVAJwsJM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P2vVAJwsJM[/video]
So you may want to start being a little more careful where you get your information from Praus. You may want to double check the information that you are reading and see if there is any genuine evidence that support the claims that are being made. And to make sure and see if the information is actually accurate and true.
Also, Edwardf, another good brother in the Lord who stands for and defends the Authorized King James Holy Bible, bought both of Phil Stringer's books (The Messianic Claims of Gail A. Riplinger & Gail A. Riplinger's Occult Connections), and read both of them through and found them both to be filled with baseless assertions and allegations made against Gail Riplinger. In other words, the assertions that Phil Stringer made about Gail Riplinger had no proof. Absolutely none.
Here is the link to a few reviews which were written regarding Phil Stringer's deceptive book: (The Messianic Claims of Gail A. Riplinger).
Edwardf's review is the very last one.
The Messianic Claims of Gail A. Riplinger: Phil Stringer: 9781568481005: Amazon.com: Books
How is it that you are attacking and calling Peter S. Ruckman and Gail Riplinger "unrepentant adulterers"?
Do you know for sure whether or not they have repented before the Lord already?
And when did Peter S. Ruckman or Gail Riplinger ever say that "their own book is equal to the Bible?" Got any evidence and proof for that accusation which you just made against them???
Oh and one another thing Praus. I promote more than two teachers on here. I promote several King James Bible believers on this website. Here is a brief list of the Bible beleivers which I promote in addition to Gail Riplinger and Peter S. Ruckman:
Al Lacy
Reg Kelly
Richard Sowell
Gregory A. Miller
James Melton
Terry Watkins
Bryan Denlinger
Will Kinney
Now Praus, are you going to also look up some personal details of their lives also?? Are you going to try to dig up the details of their past as well to try to disprove the King James Bible Only Movement?
Praus, I also love the King James Bible.
Now when you say "false teacher" who exactly are you referring to??
And shame on you Praus, for promoting the Alexandrian "Scholar" James White who is a liar and a hypocrite.
Brother Will Kinney already proved that in both his articles and videos. Brother Edward also has exposed James White for the liar that he is.
So again Praus, shame on you.
I do care about what the King James Bible says. That is why I try to conform to it more and more each and everyday.
No I do not. That is simply your baseless assertion and allegation that you are making against me.
Mrs. Riplinger is not my Final Authority.
The word of God, the words of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ (Authorized King James Bible) is my Final Authority.
And now I am going to share brother Edwardf's review which he made regarding Phil Stringer's other book: (Gail A. Riplinger's Occult Connections).
Review By Edwardpfon July 18, 2012 (Amazon Verified Purchase)
Not satisfied with slandering Mrs. Riplinger in one work (see my reveiw of The Messianic Claim of Gail. A. Riplinger), Dr. Phil Stringer, decided to write another 'hit piece' this time, claiming that GAR (as he calls her) was involved in the occult and secretly undermining the KJB via Baptist churches. Does he have any actual proof? Ofcourse not!
Dr. Stringer early in the work sets up a straw man, he states 'The subtitle of In Awe of thy Word is: Understanding the King James Bible, It's History and Mystery, Letter by Letter'. In this subtitle GAR claims there are HIDDEN (emphasis given) mysteries in the letters of the KJB. Another word for 'hidden' is 'occult'...(p.41)
Nowhere is the word 'hidden' anywhere on the subtitle! It isn't there! Stringer has to add it so he can make the connecton to the occult. The word 'mystery' is a Bible word, does Stringer believe each time it is used, it refers to the occult?
Stringer states, I strongly suspect that GAR is a practitioner of the occult who has infiltrated independent Baptist circles...no one should believe such an accusation UNLESS there is extensive evidence to support it. This book will present that evidence' (p.22)
Does Stringer provide 'extensive evidence' Ofcourse not! What he provides is assertions without any real evidence to support them
He cites Dr. Sightler in a review of 'AWE OF Thy Word' who states because of the study of how the words and letters are arranged in the KJB, 'they stand alone without need of lexicon or commentary'
Stringer replies, According to Dr. Sightler, if you have GAR books you have no need of a 'lexicon or commentary'. That's right-you need no teaching besides that of GAR'(p.42)
Did Sightler say that? No. Sightler is saying once one understands the fact that the English in the KJB has a particular arrangement, one won't need lexicons and commenataries to explain the meaning of words, KJB will do both, that has nothing to do with GAR's books.
He then states one needs to compare this to other cult leaders. No cult leader ever made the KJB the final authority.
In Chapter's 8. he states that her books contain 'prominent occult symbols'
1st. A sunset is suppose to represent the Solar Logos. Yet, on his work, The Messianic Claims, he has the rays of the sun shining through the clouds.
2nd. Chapter 9 he claims that the front of the Book Hazadous Materials has a Mobius in the front cover, which the NKJ has, and is a Satanic Trinity symbol. The symbol that Riplinger has in the front of the book, is not a Mobious but the warning sign for Hazardous Materials
3rd. Stringer claims that she has the Fleur de Leis on her backcovers. They aren't, maybe Stringer never saw a Fleu-de-Leis
4th Because the Book, in Awe of thy Word, has a red sring as a placement marker, this is a sign of the occult. Ofcourse, many KJB's have red strings, including those sold by the TBS.
In chapter 10, he repeats the charge made in the previouse work MC, that Riplinger must be demon possessed because she heard voices. He then states that GAR has tried to defend herself by stating she was 'misquoted'. There is no reason to claim a misquotation, the fact is the word 'audible' never shows up in the conversation.
I guess Stringer never heard of the story that Luther (whom he cites in MC) threw an inkwell at Satan?
Stinger then attacks Riplinger on her quotes. He admits that Riplinger is indeed correct that a large percentage of translations have come from the KJB. He claims that she misquotes from two sources, The Bible of Every Land and The Book of a Thousand Tongues'
Yet, Stringer never gives us either Riplinger's quote nor the quotes from the books, to see where she erred. No, we are told that 'the Bible of Every Land can be found on the internet' and to compare GAR's quotation with what it actually says' In other words, Stringer is too lazy or too dishonest to show us the quotes!
In the work 'The Book of a Thousand Tongues' which Stringer claims to have, he states she takes statments out of context, but again, nothing is actually shown. Moreover, in his other book (MC) when this subject came up, he never mentioned either book, just a reference to Churchill who stated that there were over 700 translation from the KJB and that Stringer wished he knew Churchill's source. If he had the Book of a Thousand Tongues' would he have not known? Maybe he never actually read it!
Stringer then states that Riplinger misquotes J.A.Froude, but instead of giving us the actual quote from Froude, tells us the book is on the internet! Gee thanks!
Stringer then states that Riplinger has created her own form of the Kabbalah (p.75)-proof, there is none.
Stringer claims that Riplinger does not provide a single quote from the KJB translators that they were not without the inspiration of God, and that neither does anyone else (p.71)
In the Translators to the Reader, the translators make it clear that
'we have at the length, through the good hand of the Lord upon us, brought the work to that pass that you see'. (Translators to the Reader. TBS, p.25) The translators did state that God was involved in their translation.
Stringer's work is actually only 80 pages, he fills the rest of the book with two meaningless appendix's on the cults, which I suppose is to impress the reader with Stringer's knowledge in this area.
Riplinger has written over 4000 words and this is the best that her critics can come up with? Assertions without proof, ad hominem attacks, stawmen etc.
What the real is issue is, is the KJB sufficent or does one need to know Greek and Hebrew to REALLY understand it? That is why the attacks on Riplinger are so vicious and desperate, she has exposed the lie that the KJB isn't enough, that, according to the scholars, the English words aren't the final authority, but rather the Greek and Hebrew words are, so you must depend on them to tell you what the Bible REALLY says.
She has done a great work in returning confidence to the English speaking Christian in their KJB as God's very words, quick and powerful, not merely an accurate translation. - Edwardf
Review By Edwardpfon July 18, 2012 (Amazon Verified Purchase)
Not satisfied with slandering Mrs. Riplinger in one work (see my reveiw of The Messianic Claim of Gail. A. Riplinger), Dr. Phil Stringer, decided to write another 'hit piece' this time, claiming that GAR (as he calls her) was involved in the occult and secretly undermining the KJB via Baptist churches. Does he have any actual proof? Ofcourse not!
Dr. Stringer early in the work sets up a straw man, he states 'The subtitle of In Awe of thy Word is: Understanding the King James Bible, It's History and Mystery, Letter by Letter'. In this subtitle GAR claims there are HIDDEN (emphasis given) mysteries in the letters of the KJB. Another word for 'hidden' is 'occult'...(p.41)
Nowhere is the word 'hidden' anywhere on the subtitle! It isn't there! Stringer has to add it so he can make the connecton to the occult. The word 'mystery' is a Bible word, does Stringer believe each time it is used, it refers to the occult?
Stringer states, I strongly suspect that GAR is a practitioner of the occult who has infiltrated independent Baptist circles...no one should believe such an accusation UNLESS there is extensive evidence to support it. This book will present that evidence' (p.22)
Does Stringer provide 'extensive evidence' Ofcourse not! What he provides is assertions without any real evidence to support them
He cites Dr. Sightler in a review of 'AWE OF Thy Word' who states because of the study of how the words and letters are arranged in the KJB, 'they stand alone without need of lexicon or commentary'
Stringer replies, According to Dr. Sightler, if you have GAR books you have no need of a 'lexicon or commentary'. That's right-you need no teaching besides that of GAR'(p.42)
Did Sightler say that? No. Sightler is saying once one understands the fact that the English in the KJB has a particular arrangement, one won't need lexicons and commenataries to explain the meaning of words, KJB will do both, that has nothing to do with GAR's books.
He then states one needs to compare this to other cult leaders. No cult leader ever made the KJB the final authority.
In Chapter's 8. he states that her books contain 'prominent occult symbols'
1st. A sunset is suppose to represent the Solar Logos. Yet, on his work, The Messianic Claims, he has the rays of the sun shining through the clouds.
2nd. Chapter 9 he claims that the front of the Book Hazadous Materials has a Mobius in the front cover, which the NKJ has, and is a Satanic Trinity symbol. The symbol that Riplinger has in the front of the book, is not a Mobious but the warning sign for Hazardous Materials
3rd. Stringer claims that she has the Fleur de Leis on her backcovers. They aren't, maybe Stringer never saw a Fleu-de-Leis
4th Because the Book, in Awe of thy Word, has a red sring as a placement marker, this is a sign of the occult. Ofcourse, many KJB's have red strings, including those sold by the TBS.
In chapter 10, he repeats the charge made in the previouse work MC, that Riplinger must be demon possessed because she heard voices. He then states that GAR has tried to defend herself by stating she was 'misquoted'. There is no reason to claim a misquotation, the fact is the word 'audible' never shows up in the conversation.
I guess Stringer never heard of the story that Luther (whom he cites in MC) threw an inkwell at Satan?
Stinger then attacks Riplinger on her quotes. He admits that Riplinger is indeed correct that a large percentage of translations have come from the KJB. He claims that she misquotes from two sources, The Bible of Every Land and The Book of a Thousand Tongues'
Yet, Stringer never gives us either Riplinger's quote nor the quotes from the books, to see where she erred. No, we are told that 'the Bible of Every Land can be found on the internet' and to compare GAR's quotation with what it actually says' In other words, Stringer is too lazy or too dishonest to show us the quotes!
In the work 'The Book of a Thousand Tongues' which Stringer claims to have, he states she takes statments out of context, but again, nothing is actually shown. Moreover, in his other book (MC) when this subject came up, he never mentioned either book, just a reference to Churchill who stated that there were over 700 translation from the KJB and that Stringer wished he knew Churchill's source. If he had the Book of a Thousand Tongues' would he have not known? Maybe he never actually read it!
Stringer then states that Riplinger misquotes J.A.Froude, but instead of giving us the actual quote from Froude, tells us the book is on the internet! Gee thanks!
Stringer then states that Riplinger has created her own form of the Kabbalah (p.75)-proof, there is none.
Stringer claims that Riplinger does not provide a single quote from the KJB translators that they were not without the inspiration of God, and that neither does anyone else (p.71)
In the Translators to the Reader, the translators make it clear that
'we have at the length, through the good hand of the Lord upon us, brought the work to that pass that you see'. (Translators to the Reader. TBS, p.25) The translators did state that God was involved in their translation.
Stringer's work is actually only 80 pages, he fills the rest of the book with two meaningless appendix's on the cults, which I suppose is to impress the reader with Stringer's knowledge in this area.
Riplinger has written over 4000 words and this is the best that her critics can come up with? Assertions without proof, ad hominem attacks, stawmen etc.
What the real is issue is, is the KJB sufficent or does one need to know Greek and Hebrew to REALLY understand it? That is why the attacks on Riplinger are so vicious and desperate, she has exposed the lie that the KJB isn't enough, that, according to the scholars, the English words aren't the final authority, but rather the Greek and Hebrew words are, so you must depend on them to tell you what the Bible REALLY says.
She has done a great work in returning confidence to the English speaking Christian in their KJB as God's very words, quick and powerful, not merely an accurate translation. - Edwardf
No it has not been proven. And I already showed you why in the other thread.
When you study Scripture, you need to study it Dispensationally. Comparing Scripture with Scripture. Rightly Dividing the word of truth.
The Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ will take place. It is a reality. The Bible clearly teahces a Premillenial Reign of the Lord Jesus Christ.
So again, you are wrong. Zechariah 14:5 is not an error. The King James Holy Bible is right. It is always right.
Who is "brother Edwardf"?
Does he know Gail Riplinger personally?
How do we on Christian Chat know if he's a born-again Christian?
He is a good brother in the Lord who believes the Authorized King James Holy Bible.
You can visit his website by clicking on the link given below:
Free Bible Literature | "Every word of God is pure..." Prov. 30:5 | Free Bible Literature
Does Phil Stringer know Gail Riplinger personally?
Simple. Visit his website. Look him up on youtube. And email him.
I know he is a Bible believing Christian.
Edwardpf is flesh obsessed--why else give a five star review to a book with the the title "body of their dreams" in the title?
Amazon.com: Edwardpf's review of Build Muscle: A step by step guide showing...
The Apostle Paul warns us about teachers like Edwardpf. From the King James Bible:
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Body of their dreams? In the KJV that's called "image made like to corruptible man" and it's very anti-Christian.
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
I'm going to pray for Edwardpf.
I have no idea--I didn't know who Phil Stringer is until you brought him up today.
Fortunately, the Ohio Department of Health Division of Vital Statistics knows who Gail Riplinger is and they also know that she's on her third marriage.
Matt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Gail Riplinger doesn't care what Jesus Christ said in the King James Bible.
Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
ChosenbyHim, you don't care that Jesus Christ warned us about teachers like her King James Bible.
Oh correction, my mistake
--Phil Stringer is the author of the article I posted. I got a flu shot earlier today and it made dizzy.In either case, the most important part of the article is Gail Riplinger's own writing. If we throw out everything that Phil Stringer wrote, then Gail Riplinger's own words--“God as author”--are dangerous and anti-Christian.
In the January-February 1994 edition of the “End Times Victorious Living Prophecy Newsletter,” Gail Riplinger stated: “Daily, during the six years needed for this investigation, the Lord miraculously brought the needed materials and resources—much like the ravens fed Elijah. Each discovery was not the result of effort on my part, but of the direct hand of God—so much so that I hesitated to even put my name on the book. Consequently, I used G. A. Riplinger—God as author and Riplinger as secretary.”
Tonight I'll watch the video that you posted about Phil Stringer. In fact, I'm going to be following a trail in that direction for a day or two--maybe something wants to be exposed?
The answer is in the Bible, as always...
Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea, which when they were come thither, entered into the Synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were also more noble men than they which were at Thessalonica, which received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (1599 Geneva)
I've known for a long time that KJV-onlyist beliefs are wrong, but simply passed it off as another weird deception in the body of Christ. However, since reading comments by KJV-onlyists on internet sites, and listening to you, I'm now convinced that at least some segment of KJV-onlyists are truly insane. A mild form of insanity, perhaps, but insane nonetheless.