Churches that Don't Allow Tongues and Prophecy in Meetings disobey Bible
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You need to read the rest of the passage.
Acts 2:39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."
(NIV)(emphasis mine)
and how should we interpret this concerning the Gentiles:
Acts 10
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ [SUP]17 [/SUP]So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”
(NIV)
Don't blame me. I don't write them. I just quote them.
Acts 2:39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."
(NIV)(emphasis mine)
and how should we interpret this concerning the Gentiles:
Acts 10
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ [SUP]17 [/SUP]So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”
(NIV)
Don't blame me. I don't write them. I just quote them.
i'm going to turn this back on you - LET'S FIND AN APOSTLE WHO IS EQUAL TO PAUL OR PETER TODAY.
forget partial or superior.
EQUAL....name ONE.
having the Bible doesn't make ME superior to paul
- it makes COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE/REVELATION (which GOD GAVE in ALL OF SCRIPTURE) superior to PARTIAL.
you can read the WHOLE thing today. if you started studying as a kid and never stopped, you'd know everything Paul is recorded to have known AND THEN SOME. because you have everything all in one place - including the visions of New Jerusalem John saw, by which time the others had died or been killed. so did THEY live to see the COMPLETE COME?
NO.
Peter got the vision of the unclean animals. did he know what that meant before he found out?
did Peter live to find out the vision John got?
how about John the Baptist?
did he even live to see anything the Apostles did?
and yet he was Jesus' cousin and the forerunner.
he had to send his own disciples to ask: Are You the Messiah or should we KEEP LOOKING FOR ANOTHER!
forget partial or superior.
EQUAL....name ONE.
having the Bible doesn't make ME superior to paul
- it makes COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE/REVELATION (which GOD GAVE in ALL OF SCRIPTURE) superior to PARTIAL.you can read the WHOLE thing today. if you started studying as a kid and never stopped, you'd know everything Paul is recorded to have known AND THEN SOME. because you have everything all in one place - including the visions of New Jerusalem John saw, by which time the others had died or been killed. so did THEY live to see the COMPLETE COME?
NO.
Peter got the vision of the unclean animals. did he know what that meant before he found out?
did Peter live to find out the vision John got?
how about John the Baptist?
did he even live to see anything the Apostles did?
and yet he was Jesus' cousin and the forerunner.
he had to send his own disciples to ask: Are You the Messiah or should we KEEP LOOKING FOR ANOTHER!
I agree with you that the men on the day of Pentecost were fake, but if you maintain that tongues were fake, then how can you hold that Acts 2 is telling the truth?
When Paul says that he 'speaks with tongues more than ye all' in the context of discussing a spiritual gift, do you think he wasn't talking about a spiritual gift of tongues?
And why wouldn't the gifts of the apostles be charismata also? Don't they come from grace? Paul said he outlabored the other apostles, yet not he, but the grace that was with him. Don't you think God's grace (charis) worked through Paul when he did what you called 'apostolic gifts.' If so, then why would they not be charismata?
When Paul says that he 'speaks with tongues more than ye all' in the context of discussing a spiritual gift, do you think he wasn't talking about a spiritual gift of tongues?
And why wouldn't the gifts of the apostles be charismata also? Don't they come from grace? Paul said he outlabored the other apostles, yet not he, but the grace that was with him. Don't you think God's grace (charis) worked through Paul when he did what you called 'apostolic gifts.' If so, then why would they not be charismata?
Acts 2
37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
Repent
and be baptized
every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ
for the forgiveness of your sins
and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
what was the Promise?
tongues?
OR: the forgiveness of your sins, the gift of the Holy Spirit.
does it says GIFTS?
or the GIFT of the Holy Spirit?
were they then baptized in WATER?
ya? no?
Ephesians 1
Spiritual Blessings in Christ
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5he predestined usb for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory.
anything in there about them all becoming apostles or prophets or speaking in tongues?
no - paul clearly said WE WHO WERE FIRST TO HOPE....then THEY ALSO, when they HEARD the....what? gibbering? OR THE GOSPEL.
or is he saying they received forgiveness of sins and the Comforter, the down payment on God's purchased possession?
THE NEW COVENANT WAS THE PROMISE.
WITH THE LIVING HOLY SPIRIT AS THE GIFT.
nothing there about tongues or prophecy dude.
37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
Repent
and be baptized
every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ
for the forgiveness of your sins
and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
what was the Promise?
tongues?
OR: the forgiveness of your sins, the gift of the Holy Spirit.
does it says GIFTS?
or the GIFT of the Holy Spirit?
were they then baptized in WATER?
ya? no?
Ephesians 1
Spiritual Blessings in Christ
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5he predestined usb for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory.
anything in there about them all becoming apostles or prophets or speaking in tongues?
no - paul clearly said WE WHO WERE FIRST TO HOPE....then THEY ALSO, when they HEARD the....what? gibbering? OR THE GOSPEL.
or is he saying they received forgiveness of sins and the Comforter, the down payment on God's purchased possession?
THE NEW COVENANT WAS THE PROMISE.
WITH THE LIVING HOLY SPIRIT AS THE GIFT.
nothing there about tongues or prophecy dude.
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you quote israelites refusing to believe Jesus was the Messiah and come into the New Covenant as proof you got da gifs?
if one thousand trillion "christians" today manifest stuff claiming they have the gifts fake it, & if one thousand trillion "christians" keep lying to themselves and others, and and make the joy of the simple Gospel of salvation into a circus, GOD'S WORD IS STILL TRUE & CHANGES NOT.
2 Corinthians 11:13
Paul and the False Apostles
12But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting. 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
you didn't see Jesus, you weren't called as a special apostle (EYEWITNESS), you ain't a prophet, and tongues wasn't dscbkkueqeqkzklkxLKDHEDS.
deal with it.
you planning to correct your false teaching that they were not especially above all eyewitnesses of His Resurrection?
hence: YOU ARE MY WITNESSES - duh.
doubt it.
if one thousand trillion "christians" today manifest stuff claiming they have the gifts fake it, & if one thousand trillion "christians" keep lying to themselves and others, and and make the joy of the simple Gospel of salvation into a circus, GOD'S WORD IS STILL TRUE & CHANGES NOT.
2 Corinthians 11:13
Paul and the False Apostles
12But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting. 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
you didn't see Jesus, you weren't called as a special apostle (EYEWITNESS), you ain't a prophet, and tongues wasn't dscbkkueqeqkzklkxLKDHEDS.
deal with it.
you planning to correct your false teaching that they were not especially above all eyewitnesses of His Resurrection?
hence: YOU ARE MY WITNESSES - duh.
doubt it.
okay. you're deliberately being obtuse.
moving on. do what you like.
sign up today to be part of the Five-Fold Ministry.
your dogmatic error will make you a perfect candidate.
good luck on your NEW house.
your foundation is some other house.
some other gospel coming from it, too.
'parently the one we got from HIS WITNESSES ain't good enuff.
bye then
moving on. do what you like.
sign up today to be part of the Five-Fold Ministry.
your dogmatic error will make you a perfect candidate.
good luck on your NEW house.
your foundation is some other house.
some other gospel coming from it, too.
'parently the one we got from HIS WITNESSES ain't good enuff.
bye then
that post didn't say go get prophecies.
i find them e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-everywhere.
just asking you prophets to be subject to the prophets and tell us who is fake and who ain't.
you already endorse the fake repeatedly. so i can't trust your discernment.
so (hence) perhaps one day i will go to such a place and speak gibbering nonsense and wait to see what happens.
unlike you all, i'll record it.
if it's the real deal - i'll be the first to say so.
either way, testing is commanded. like it or lump it.
i find them e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-everywhere.
just asking you prophets to be subject to the prophets and tell us who is fake and who ain't.
you already endorse the fake repeatedly. so i can't trust your discernment.
so (hence) perhaps one day i will go to such a place and speak gibbering nonsense and wait to see what happens.
unlike you all, i'll record it.
if it's the real deal - i'll be the first to say so.
either way, testing is commanded. like it or lump it.
Sorry, lost my train of thought while posting something in a previous post to notuptotme. Someone was asking me something in 'real life' while I was posting.
I meant to write something along these lines.
"I do not agree with you that the speaking in tongues on the day of Pentecost was fake, but if you maintain that tongues were fake, then how can you hold that Acts 2 is telling the truth?"
Of course, I don't agree with notuptome that speaking in tongues is fake, and I believe that the apostles spoke in tongues genuinely, and that many people do so today.
I meant to write something along these lines.
"I do not agree with you that the speaking in tongues on the day of Pentecost was fake, but if you maintain that tongues were fake, then how can you hold that Acts 2 is telling the truth?"
Of course, I don't agree with notuptome that speaking in tongues is fake, and I believe that the apostles spoke in tongues genuinely, and that many people do so today.
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No I am not, but whether your being obtuse is deliberate or not I am not sure.
This is the clear conclusion to be drawn by your interpretation.
Do you skip over verse 11 when you read the passage?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
This is the clear conclusion to be drawn by your interpretation.
Do you skip over verse 11 when you read the passage?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
UMMM Do you understand that 1 Corinthians is one very long rebuke?
Why should First Corinthians contain more teaching on tongues than any other book of the Bible? The answer is simple: The Church of Corinth was a very confused church. This Church 1) had divisions among themselves based on personalities (I Corinthians 1:10-13, 3:1-11), 2) they were mixed up on, of all things, the resurrection (I Corinthians 15), 3) they were taking each other to court (I Corinthians 6:1-8), 4) they tolerated immorality (I Corinthians 5:1-13, 6:15-20), 5) they were confused about marriage and divorce (I Corinthians 5:1-13, 6:15-20), 6) they were mixed up about Christian liberty (I Corinthians 8), 7) they did not understand their responsibilities concerning the Great Commission (I Corinthians 9:1-14), 8) they had idolatry (I Corinthians 10:7, 14-22), 9) they had insubordinate man and women (I Corinthians 11:3-15, 14:34-35), 10) they were sinning at the Lord’s Supper (I Corinthians 11:20-34), and 11) they were confused concerning spiritual gifts in general (I Corinthians 12), and tongues in particular (I Corinthians 14). The Church of Corinth was really messed up, and almost all of Paul’s first letter to them was rebuking them for their various errors. They were in so much error on spiritual gifts that Paul wrote three whole chapters to try to straighten them out especially on tongues (I Corinthians 12-14).
New Testament Tongues Versus The Modern Tongues Movement
Why should First Corinthians contain more teaching on tongues than any other book of the Bible? The answer is simple: The Church of Corinth was a very confused church. This Church 1) had divisions among themselves based on personalities (I Corinthians 1:10-13, 3:1-11), 2) they were mixed up on, of all things, the resurrection (I Corinthians 15), 3) they were taking each other to court (I Corinthians 6:1-8), 4) they tolerated immorality (I Corinthians 5:1-13, 6:15-20), 5) they were confused about marriage and divorce (I Corinthians 5:1-13, 6:15-20), 6) they were mixed up about Christian liberty (I Corinthians 8), 7) they did not understand their responsibilities concerning the Great Commission (I Corinthians 9:1-14), 8) they had idolatry (I Corinthians 10:7, 14-22), 9) they had insubordinate man and women (I Corinthians 11:3-15, 14:34-35), 10) they were sinning at the Lord’s Supper (I Corinthians 11:20-34), and 11) they were confused concerning spiritual gifts in general (I Corinthians 12), and tongues in particular (I Corinthians 14). The Church of Corinth was really messed up, and almost all of Paul’s first letter to them was rebuking them for their various errors. They were in so much error on spiritual gifts that Paul wrote three whole chapters to try to straighten them out especially on tongues (I Corinthians 12-14).
New Testament Tongues Versus The Modern Tongues Movement
The Corinthians had their faults, but the epistle is still profitable for doctrine. It has some of the most in-depth passages that instruct us in regard to what to do in our church gatherings, both in terms of the Lord's Supper and spiritual gifts.
It is sad, though, that the Corinthians were so immature, yet they knew of and experienced spiritual things many churches today have little knowledge or experience of.