Churches that Don't Allow Tongues and Prophecy in Meetings disobey Bible
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IDK, If I knew, it couldn't be tongues. I begin to pray, most don't except over their food.As I pray for y family and friends, then the Holy Spirit takes over and to be honest, I don't know what I am praying. That is a good thing, Paul said we do not pray as we ought. The spirit prays through us. So thank God that He has people that pray His will and not their own. Zone you can have too. If you ask for it. God is not a microwave. He said seek and knock.
oh.....wow.
Kerry.....i thought you just said the bible opened up to you like MEGA?
Romans 8:26
25But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it. 26In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God
this is nothing to do with tongues.
it's saying when we are in distress or persecuted or confused or tired - and WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE, HOW TO PRAY AS WE SHOULD - The Holy Spirit intercedes FOR US to GOD......:
with groanings too deep for words
no words.
silent.
The Spirit is silently interceding TO GOD for the believer who CAN'T PRAY.
got anything else?
since when is it ever a good thing to make a bunch of noise you think is prayer and not have a clue what you are saying?
how do you know you're not cursing God?
Kerry.....i thought you just said the bible opened up to you like MEGA?
Romans 8:26
25But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it. 26In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God
this is nothing to do with tongues.
it's saying when we are in distress or persecuted or confused or tired - and WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE, HOW TO PRAY AS WE SHOULD - The Holy Spirit intercedes FOR US to GOD......:
with groanings too deep for words
no words.
silent.
The Spirit is silently interceding TO GOD for the believer who CAN'T PRAY.
got anything else?
since when is it ever a good thing to make a bunch of noise you think is prayer and not have a clue what you are saying?
how do you know you're not cursing God?
K
I'm happy where I am at. Why do you refute the Holy Spirit, Scared, Taught that its evil, Or against your flesh. Please give strong reasoning why it is not accepted by your church. Tongue talkers are the most holiest of people that I have ever met. Not all but most. Shouldn't we be cutting chickens or something if we were evil. No, we believe in the gifts of The Holy Spirit as you do not.
That's the irony here. The Bible teaches that these manifestations of the Spirit are given to members of the body of Christ. The Bible says 'these signs shall follow them that believe.' Lazy is believing that the use of the aorist translated as 'them that believe' means it refers only to those who had already believed then, without doing some research on the aorist to see if that's feasible.
You forget Jesus said unless your righteousness EXCEEDS that of the Pharisees you can NOT enter into the kingdom of heaven.Remember they knew the law inside,outside,upside down and backwards. For the most they would have appeared to obeyed the letter of the law to a degree we CAN'T even begin to imagine. When Jesus made that statement the disciples were so shocked they wondered if that were so WHO COULD be saved. From outward appearances they were holy,righteous people by human standards. But remember what Jesus told them that they were WHITE WASHED TOMBS full of dead men's bones,brood of vipers,sons of the devil etc etc. So was Jesus speaking of matter of the heart? How did Jesus define who were His? How John define who belong to the Lord and know the Father? And if what Jesus,John and Paul said needs to be there is NOT there are they His?
UMM But shouldn't the real question be how is what you are doing DIFFERENT then what some Hindus,Mormons,or others do?
Can you explain how one knows the difference between the two?
This is what the Mormons believe about speaking in other languages
LDS Church History
Speaking in Tongues
Speaking in tongues was an important aspect of Latter-day Saint spirituality. Heber C. Kimball remembered he and Brigham Young visiting a group Mormons who spoke in tongues. Brigham and Heber were baptized shortly thereafter, and it was Brigham Young who introduced Joseph Smith to speaking in tongues. With the prophet's endorsement (including his singing in tongues), the practice spread.
It is important to recognize the connection between Joseph Smith's view of ancient languages and his views about the gift of tongues. Joseph Smith saw the "pure" language as being corrupted at the time of the Tower of Babel. A restoration of aspects of this Pure or "Adamic" language was a part of what he envisioned as part of the restoration. Certain words such as the name of God, keywords mentioned in the facsimiles of the Book of Abraham and aspects of the temple endowment ritual were tied to the Adamic tongue. Often, when one spoke in tongues, fellow Mormons thought they were speaking in the Pure or Adamic language.
Few in here would say that the Mormons believe in the same Jesus,yet some are able to do the same thing,so how do you know the difference between the two? How do you know when you are praying that you are praising God and not cursing Jesus?
Think about this a moment,if Jesus tells us that there would be deception that would be so strong that if it were possible to deceive EVEN THE ELECT,Paul talks about being wary of false prophets,John tells us MANY false prophets have gone out into the world are they telling us to be very careful and to examine these things to determine if they are from God or not? Or are they telling us to take it at face value when someone says they can do these things,and often it appears on the surface that a lot of looks a lot like what we know to be false can do? Can you please explain how what you are doing is DIFFERENT?
U
Confirmed by whom ? "Other apostles" perhaps ? Is Todd Bentley a "confirmed apostle" in your opinion, yes or no ? Watch until at least the 45 second mark.
Todd Bentley's Apostolic and Prophetic Commissioning 3/4 - YouTube
Todd Bentley's Apostolic and Prophetic Commissioning 3/4 - YouTube
personally you have tied together James and Paul and split hairs here Sister in my opinion from what I hear.
The Elders have the gifts and are anointed. And the person will come to see what God has done for them and be healed by knowing God has forgiven them and thus will not hold grudges either to anyone else, being forgiven and believing this about God.
The part that will cease in the gifts are they are not as important as LOVE of God. Love of God is the fulfillment and is clear we are not to forbid others from speaking in tongues.
Does God love all or just a few? Does God love you whether you believe or do not believe?
1 Corinthians 14:39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues
What part of scripture here is not clear? You do not believe in the Speaking of tongues, okay, no problem cool.
So are you forbidding others to?
And all of you that do speak in tongues do you require this as evidence of being born Again, as many do, and this only segregates you, causes divisions. What did Paul say
1 Corinthians 12:30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?
Is not the body itself made up of many parts, and to be one body does it not need all the parts to do their function?
And if one part does not do their function what happens?
Say you can't go to the bathroom, what happens? Get it we need all the parts of the body to be one body. Discernment is needed to know truth and when it is being faked and when it is not and being a believer in God, I am sure God will show us the difference.
So it boils to down to trust God in all things and you will know the truth, the truth that sets you free.
If you are free in God, which by belief in God one is free and there are no schisms in his Body what so ever or yours since you believe.
Love to all
Colossians 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation
The Elders have the gifts and are anointed. And the person will come to see what God has done for them and be healed by knowing God has forgiven them and thus will not hold grudges either to anyone else, being forgiven and believing this about God.
The part that will cease in the gifts are they are not as important as LOVE of God. Love of God is the fulfillment and is clear we are not to forbid others from speaking in tongues.
Does God love all or just a few? Does God love you whether you believe or do not believe?
1 Corinthians 14:39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues
What part of scripture here is not clear? You do not believe in the Speaking of tongues, okay, no problem cool.
So are you forbidding others to?
And all of you that do speak in tongues do you require this as evidence of being born Again, as many do, and this only segregates you, causes divisions. What did Paul say
1 Corinthians 12:30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?
Is not the body itself made up of many parts, and to be one body does it not need all the parts to do their function?
And if one part does not do their function what happens?
Say you can't go to the bathroom, what happens? Get it we need all the parts of the body to be one body. Discernment is needed to know truth and when it is being faked and when it is not and being a believer in God, I am sure God will show us the difference.
So it boils to down to trust God in all things and you will know the truth, the truth that sets you free.
If you are free in God, which by belief in God one is free and there are no schisms in his Body what so ever or yours since you believe.
Love to all
Colossians 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation
Yep and we are to discuss to discern but not into divisions and fight and argue. For if we do are we not still carnal, and if carnal still are we born again?
1 Corinthians 1:10 [ A Church Divided Over Leaders ] I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.
But flesh can't do this can it?
1 Corinthians 12:25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.
But it does in the Spirit of God does it not?
1 Corinthians 1:10 [ A Church Divided Over Leaders ] I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.
But flesh can't do this can it?
1 Corinthians 12:25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.
But it does in the Spirit of God does it not?
Sorry you're missing the bigger issue and that is are the "tongues" that are being witnessed from God or NOT.
Can you show the real? Can you show us the difference between that which is of God and that which is not in these?
And again James points to things changing. Which is in agreement with Paul when Paul said the spiritual gifts would end.
How hard is that to understand?
Can you show the real? Can you show us the difference between that which is of God and that which is not in these?
And again James points to things changing. Which is in agreement with Paul when Paul said the spiritual gifts would end.
How hard is that to understand?
alright. we'll prove all things - from Scripture.
then you'll need to explain why you deny what The Bible says.
why doesn't it surprise me you do not know where this 'statement' comes from?
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PART I
The Church, if you did not know, is compared to a building, a temple, a household.
Apostles and prophets were foundational - WITH Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:19-22
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
how many foundations were poured when your church was built?
are you guys pouring new concrete every Sunday? if so, again i would suggest you leave the building immediately, because it's going to come down on your heads.
a PERMANENT building has ONE (1) foundation.
laying another foundation means the builders are utterly ill-equipped and their house will fall.
maybe you didn't know the saints are compared to living stones (material used to ADD TO the house AFTER the Cornerstone is first laid, and the foundation is set).
the wise builder then proceeds to set STONES UPON, ON TOP of the foundation.
how many foundations are in your home today Stephen? this is not a rhetorical question - please answer it.
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then you'll need to explain why you deny what The Bible says.
why doesn't it surprise me you do not know where this 'statement' comes from?
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PART I
The Church, if you did not know, is compared to a building, a temple, a household.
Apostles and prophets were foundational - WITH Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:19-22
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
how many foundations were poured when your church was built?
are you guys pouring new concrete every Sunday? if so, again i would suggest you leave the building immediately, because it's going to come down on your heads.
a PERMANENT building has ONE (1) foundation.
laying another foundation means the builders are utterly ill-equipped and their house will fall.
maybe you didn't know the saints are compared to living stones (material used to ADD TO the house AFTER the Cornerstone is first laid, and the foundation is set).
the wise builder then proceeds to set STONES UPON, ON TOP of the foundation.
how many foundations are in your home today Stephen? this is not a rhetorical question - please answer it.
........
If you're a dedicated handyman and enjoy doing projects around your home, it's very likely that you've considered building your own house. One of the absolutely pivotal parts of that process, however, is the foundation. Use your knowledge of do-it-yourself projects in conjunction with this article to successfully learn how to pour a concrete foundation for your home or any number of structures on your property.
How to Pour a Concrete Foundation: 13 Steps - wikiHow < click for 13 east steps on HOW TO BUILD A HOUSE
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Sister we the believers are the Ecclesia of Christ, the called out ones that speak the mysteries of God in Christ from heaven where Christ is seated justified in Spirit of God, and we are to receive that same Spirit if we believe and be set free in God through what Christ has done for us at the cross
[h=3]Acts 2:17[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Have you not received the Spirit of God yet and been given your gift to edify the Ecclesia in Christ?
You are stating that the reception of the Holy Ghost is over. And if this is so then you are not born again are you?
My greatest gift from God through the Holy Ghost for me is life forever in him. How about you?
how is it anyone can be united in mind and thought with someone who is "saying" something NO ONE can agree with, because NO ONE can understand it (today's "tongues")?
home - do you attend charismatic churches where peeping and gurgling noises are made (which you don't understand and neither do they), and then say AMEN (you agree)?
home - do you attend charismatic churches where peeping and gurgling noises are made (which you don't understand and neither do they), and then say AMEN (you agree)?