Does God expect the Jews to stop Jewish rituals when they know Jesus?

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homwardbound

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2 Corinthians 12:8-10, "I called upon Yahweh three times about this thing, to take it away from me. But He said to me: My mercy is enough for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness. Therefore, I will very gladly boast about my weaknesses, that the power of the Messiah may rest upon me. So for the sake of Messiah, I take pleasure in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, and in distresses. For when I am weak, then I am strong."
So to maybe explain here what was going on with Paul here is as it states here
2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure

see that said twice there above in verse 7. Ever thought you got it together, kind of pride settled into you, and a little boasting came out. So do see why Paul was buffeted and we are as well from Father in keeping us what HUMBLE?

Hebrews 12:2-11, "For consider Him Who endured such opposition against Himself from sinners, so that you would not become weary, and faint in your minds. You yourselves have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as unto sons: My son, do not despise the chastening of Yahweh, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom Yahweh loves, He chastens, and scourges every son whom He
receives. If you endure chastening, Yahweh deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not
chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. Furthermore, we have had fleshly fathers who corrected us, and we gave them reverence; should we not even more be subject to Father Yahweh, and live? For they truly chastened us for a few days as they thought best; but He, for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful at the present time, but grievous; nevertheless, afterward it produces the peaceable fruit of righteousness, that is, for those who have been trained by it."
So are you now going to count it all joy when you enter divers temptations, and seek to learn from God why bad things are happening, is the bad things that are happening good for you, from God's vantage point?
Can the things that happen to us be learned from not in fear, rather in thank you Father for chastening me to keepme in trusting you in Humility
Hmm I wonder you? I know as I am sure you do too
 

homwardbound

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It says what it says.

having killed the enmity through Himself.
Yes, Thank you I am after what rose from the dead has read in himself, so as we all can learn and grow here in Father through Son Christ, walking as Christ walked.
 

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Yeah, I think knowing that as soon as we step outside of His boundries we are in trouble is key. All the prophets called the people back into those boundries, I feel I wasnt walking with Yahshua untill I was within those boundries, I know actually. I think more people in our modern age need to be called back into those boundries.

I have to say this is one of the most constructive fellowships I had lately on the net.
I*t is not easy to separate flesh from Spirit since we are all in unredeemed bodies as of for now, and is why Paul so many times in so many ways has said to consider (believe) through God we are dead to flesh Spirit that can't serve god nor knows God
For God today can only be worshipped:
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

and the Spirit of truth has come and is here today waiting for our invite from us to God who gives freely to all those that believe God. It is all entailed in the cross of Christ, death and new life.
 
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What is being read into that I am curious

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity; the hatred and the opposition, to the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances,"
The Greek doesn't say the enmity to the law, but the enmity of the law. In other words, the enmity between GOD and man caused by the law, not man's enmity to the law. This is a literal translation
nullifying the enmity of the law of the precepts in decrees in his flesh making peace that the two he should be creating in himself one new man. Ephesians 2:15
 

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The Greek doesn't say the enmity to the law, but the enmity of the law. In other words, the enmity between GOD and man caused by the law, not man's enmity to the law. This is a literal translation
nullifying the enmity of the law of the precepts in decrees in his flesh making peace that the two he should be creating in himself one new man. Ephesians 2:15
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

Ephesians 2:16, "That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice- -having killed the enmity through
Himself.


Yeah the next verse says what was "killed," the ENMITY = by implication a reason for opposition.

If it were the Law this verse would have said the Law.

_____________________________________________ADDED WORDS = WHICH IS
Ephesians 2:15-16, " 15by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, (which is) the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. "

Here is the Greek

_______________________HAVING LOOSED THE HOSTILITY.

Shaul wrote both of the letters and He understood this concept very weel, if you have the Messiah in you, you will not be in oppisition to or enmity to Yahweh's Law.

Romans 8:7-10, :"Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh;for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh. But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of Yahweh truly dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have this Spirit as the Messiah, he is not
His; Yahweh's. And if Messiah is in you, your kbody is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is alive because of righteousness."
 
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When you really think about it, all this discussion is rather silly. God suggested that if you do some things in your every day living that reminds you of God and how you are to live, it would be good. Simple things, nothing to break the bank. God said you could keep in mind being pure by not eating animals who eat refuse. Or put God's words on your door post. Or put a tassel on a shawl you use to remind you of God. Simple things.

There was a terrible fuss made over this when Peter and Paul was going to tell gentiles about the gospel, and God and Paul said it wasn't the important thing about the gospel. It seems to me that there is little discipline in the worship practices of the gentile church, and it would be a good idea for the gentiles to have reminders built into their everyday life, but almost to a man every single gentile says they aren't about to do any such a thing. God says it isn't necessary, and they surely aren't going to volunteer anything not demanded of them, especially those reminders.

Now, there is a fuss about Jews doing anything, too. And all the reasons given for refusing! I think the best one is that there are other things lots more useful to do, and there certainly are. They usually don't do those, either.

All this posting and talk, most of it, could be summed up with I don't want to and God says I don't have to so I won't. I haven't read anyone who considers it might be worthwhile to our spiritual walk to be reminded of God in our life hourly.
 
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I haven't read anyone who considers it might be worthwhile to our spiritual walk to be reminded of God in our life hourly.
That's because we have the holy spirit living inside us under the new covenant. GOD is with us every moment, so there is no need for play things any more to remind us that he exists. When children grow up they put away their toys and move on into the real things of life.
 

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The Greek doesn't say the enmity to the law, but the enmity of the law. In other words, the enmity between GOD and man caused by the law, not man's enmity to the law. This is a literal translation
nullifying the enmity of the law of the precepts in decrees in his flesh making peace that the two he should be creating in himself one new man. Ephesians 2:15
So I got this, are you saying or talking about the flesh being weak, and the Law being perfect, that when flesh tries to obey the perfect Law, the weakness of flesh is revealed and in need of a born again Spirit of God that was lost at the fall of Adam and Eve. For I know Paul makes a distinct distinction about the flesh and Spirit of God. And Christ did to. In the garden in saying the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak about his disciples falling asleep and Christ was praying and getting prepared for what was about to take place in sufferings. Pretty much like Child birth

Now today after the cross the Spirit if God is restored to the believers in Christ, through the resurrected Christ we are born again in the Spirit of God.
Are we in agreement, if so great if not let us both learn from each other.
 

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When you really think about it, all this discussion is rather silly. God suggested that if you do some things in your every day living that reminds you of God and how you are to live, it would be good. Simple things, nothing to break the bank. God said you could keep in mind being pure by not eating animals who eat refuse. Or put God's words on your door post. Or put a tassel on a shawl you use to remind you of God. Simple things.

There was a terrible fuss made over this when Peter and Paul was going to tell gentiles about the gospel, and God and Paul said it wasn't the important thing about the gospel. It seems to me that there is little discipline in the worship practices of the gentile church, and it would be a good idea for the gentiles to have reminders built into their everyday life, but almost to a man every single gentile says they aren't about to do any such a thing. God says it isn't necessary, and they surely aren't going to volunteer anything not demanded of them, especially those reminders.

Now, there is a fuss about Jews doing anything, too. And all the reasons given for refusing! I think the best one is that there are other things lots more useful to do, and there certainly are. They usually don't do those, either.

All this posting and talk, most of it, could be summed up with I don't want to and God says I don't have to so I won't. I haven't read anyone who considers it might be worthwhile to our spiritual walk to be reminded of God in our life hourly.
Yeah and that is why we all are on here posting about what we are learning have learned and loving each other in the process. because we are not keeping God in mind?
Did I hear your post right?
 
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So I got this, are you saying or talking about the flesh being weak, and the Law being perfect, that when flesh tries to obey the perfect Law, the weakness of flesh is revealed and in need of a born again Spirit of God that was lost at the fall of Adam and Eve. For I know Paul makes a distinct distinction about the flesh and Spirit of God. And Christ did to. In the garden in saying the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak about his disciples falling asleep and Christ was praying and getting prepared for what was about to take place in sufferings. Pretty much like Child birth

Now today after the cross the Spirit if God is restored to the believers in Christ, through the resurrected Christ we are born again in the Spirit of God.
Are we in agreement, if so great if not let us both learn from each other.
This sounds good to me. The law reveals the enmity between GOD and ourselves due to our sinful nature. GOD removed that enmity between us through the cross.

Hizikyah copied a translation of Ephesians 2:15 from yahweh.com that tries to make it look like the cross removes our hatred of the law of Moses so that we will now follow it. Absurd. We are to follow Christ. His law is faith and love. Removal of the enmity allows us to keep both commandments because we know we aren't condemned by law.
 
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Yeah and that is why we all are on here posting about what we are learning have learned and loving each other in the process. because we are not keeping God in mind?
Did I hear your post right?
I don't think that posters are posting about what they don't want to do for the Lord because that love the Lord so much, and I don't think their "I don't wannna" is inspired by their love for the Lord. Not do I think their refusal is to even consider anything more than an expression of how little they want to do for the Lord.

I don't think the Lord is concerned in the least about our dress, or external things, but he is what you are talking about. God didn't suggest these things to help the Hebrews in the first place because of God's concern about rituals in lives. You are so right in your post, what you talk about is the meat, the essence. It is why Paul said the rituals can be eliminated.

Now, the church has eliminated and eliminated. Some say the ten commandments have to go, and they use the same reasoning the rituals have to go. My friend new to the dating world, now, says in the world they consider sex part of dating. The moral standards in the world in every area has fallen, and we are to lead the world! We aren't leading.

Our Lord has said that if we live in the way these rituals promote, it is for our benefit. Granted, it was not the rituals at all the Lord wanted, but what they represented what the Lord wanted us to live. We are even refusing the rituals!!!
 

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Something called the Fest of Tabernacles is coming up soon, it is a Feast of Yahweh, not of the Jews. If you believe your Scriptures its the Feast of Yahweh, if you believe Constantine its the feast of he Jews.

So in this Feast you live in a temporary dwelling for 7 days, keeping this Feast reminds you that you are not of this world, your real home is not here. It really puts things into perspective, maybe next time you are faced with or have the urge to do something worldly you don't do it because keeping the Heast made you think about it in a way that otherwise would have been impossible. First the Feasts are HOLY CONVOCATIONS, which are apponited meeting times with Yahweh, so it is guaranteed that Yahweh will be upon you Spiritually (and no Hes not with you ALL the time, what about when you do a vile sin, is the Spirit with you then? I can say no by experience, any who think the Spirit is still there why they transgress, has never had the Spirit priod.) Yahweh created us, HE KNOWS HOW WE WORK, first when you wake up in an unfarmilliar place you think what im I doning here? Then you remember, and you get an understanding that thinking about it CAN NOT replicate. Can you think about what it, and then KNOW what was like for Yahshua in the Sacrafice? No if you havent experienced it you have no real idea. Next, Yahweh will give one Spiritual understanding because they are subjecting themselves to the lessons and teachings of Yahweh. Some learn lessons from Yahweh the hard way and some can willingly be trained by Yahweh, or both.

So yeah for me the Feast of Tabernacles is a physical and Spiritual training course devised by the Creator who created us and knows how we operate, learn and grow. For some it may be a "JEW JEW JEW stupid JEW thing." NOT FOR ME, for me it is a blessing.

HalleluYAHWEH!
 

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Something called the Fest of Tabernacles is coming up soon, it is a Feast of Yahweh, not of the Jews. If you believe your Scriptures its the Feast of Yahweh, if you believe Constantine its the feast of he Jews.

So in this Feast you live in a temporary dwelling for 7 days, keeping this Feast reminds you that you are not of this world, your real home is not here. It really puts things into perspective, maybe next time you are faced with or have the urge to do something worldly you don't do it because keeping the Heast made you think about it in a way that otherwise would have been impossible. First the Feasts are HOLY CONVOCATIONS, which are apponited meeting times with Yahweh, so it is guaranteed that Yahweh will be upon you Spiritually (and no Hes not with you ALL the time, what about when you do a vile sin, is the Spirit with you then? I can say no by experience, any who think the Spirit is still there why they transgress, has never had the Spirit priod.) Yahweh created us, HE KNOWS HOW WE WORK, first when you wake up in an unfarmilliar place you think what im I doning here? Then you remember, and you get an understanding that thinking about it CAN NOT replicate. Can you think about what it, and then KNOW what was like for Yahshua in the Sacrafice? No if you havent experienced it you have no real idea. Next, Yahweh will give one Spiritual understanding because they are subjecting themselves to the lessons and teachings of Yahweh. Some learn lessons from Yahweh the hard way and some can willingly be trained by Yahweh, or both.

So yeah for me the Feast of Tabernacles is a physical and Spiritual training course devised by the Creator who created us and knows how we operate, learn and grow. For some it may be a "JEW JEW JEW stupid JEW thing." NOT FOR ME, for me it is a blessing.

HalleluYAHWEH!
My wife and I kept our first FoT in 1970. Each year we are truly able to say it was the Best Feast Ever!

(You didn't mention Trumpets and Atonement neither did you mention the Last Great Day)
 

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My wife and I kept our first FoT in 1970. Each year we are truly able to say it was the Best Feast Ever!

(You didn't mention Trumpets and Atonement neither did you mention the Last Great Day)
HalleluYAHWEH!

That is great to hear.

Yeah I didnt want to go throught and explain all or the 2nd half/2nd coming Feasts as I thought if one didnt get the idea from that explaining them all wouldnt make a difference.

However, to you is it not amazing how the Feasts of Yahweh prophesied everything the Messiah would do, as the Lamb and the Lion. Amazing, and I feel once you understand the message of the Feasts it is much harder to be decieved on doctrine. Probably because of mental and Spiritual understanding that comes from keep Yahweh's apponited meeting times.

And there is no better way to celebrate ans worship Yahweh and His Salvation than these ways. Most of the world has been tricked into keeping Bablonian SUN god and fertility goddess worship instead of what Yahweh says.

SPIRIT AND TRUTH, SPIRIT AND TRUTH
 

homwardbound

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This sounds good to me. The law reveals the enmity between GOD and ourselves due to our sinful nature. GOD removed that enmity between us through the cross.

Hizikyah copied a translation of Ephesians 2:15 from yahweh.com that tries to make it look like the cross removes our hatred of the law of Moses so that we will now follow it. Absurd. We are to follow Christ. His law is faith and love. Removal of the enmity allows us to keep both commandments because we know we aren't condemned by law.
More the removal of the flesh battle between God's Spirit and man's flesh, For the battle is exactly flesh against God's Spirit right?

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

So where is it we are justified as well, Spirit right as in the above verse,
 

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I don't think that posters are posting about what they don't want to do for the Lord because that love the Lord so much, and I don't think their "I don't wannna" is inspired by their love for the Lord. Not do I think their refusal is to even consider anything more than an expression of how little they want to do for the Lord.

I don't think the Lord is concerned in the least about our dress, or external things, but he is what you are talking about. God didn't suggest these things to help the Hebrews in the first place because of God's concern about rituals in lives. You are so right in your post, what you talk about is the meat, the essence. It is why Paul said the rituals can be eliminated.

Now, the church has eliminated and eliminated. Some say the ten commandments have to go, and they use the same reasoning the rituals have to go. My friend new to the dating world, now, says in the world they consider sex part of dating. The moral standards in the world in every area has fallen, and we are to lead the world! We aren't leading.

Our Lord has said that if we live in the way these rituals promote, it is for our benefit. Granted, it was not the rituals at all the Lord wanted, but what they represented what the Lord wanted us to live. We are even refusing the rituals!!!
The meat Sister is Christ the Author and finisher of my Faith ay least. Christ is my Sabbath rest, I am not entangled in a yoke of bondage that I was in, under Law. Not denouncing Law, upholding it as perfect, yet whenever it flows through me trying to obey it kills me, because I am in in unredeemed flesh that can't be perfect. Flesh is weak and Spirit flesh is willing as the disciples were and showed the weakness for us to consider.
So Christ went to the cross to die for us in the flesh, and raise us in the resurrection in the Spirit of God, considering ourselves dead to flesh efforts, that are not perfect.
now today be justified in the Spirit as Christ is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God's kingdom is not here on earth, God's kingdom is in heaven where the true worshippers worship, not in flesh in Spirit 24/7 and this is what we all are called to do, be born again in the Spirit of God. How can this take place anywhere else except through the cross. Where first we die to self with Christ in the flesh, in our mindset, dead to the carnal world, and raised to new life in the Spirit of God, being justified as well. But only in God's Spirit can this be, a gift from God to us all that belief God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
1 Peter 1:23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

We transfer from death to life, a gift from God through Son Christ.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Love you RedTent, love you.
 
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Please, read Eph.2:14-19 The "enmity" that kept the Gentiles and the Jews apart in the O,T, were the "ordinances" God gave to the Jews to keep them away from the Gentiles in the O.T. ; NOW, in the N.T. , God wants to make one new body ,combining the Jews with Gentiles, to do this, Jesus, crucified the "ordinances" like dietary laws, sabbath laws, feast days, circumcision, these are no longer to be kept as a strict law to live by. It is Ok, if some Jews want to do a christian version of the passover feast, sader, which is beautiful to show Christ in the passover. but not to be required as duties for the Church to keep. The new wine of the N.T. can not be put into the O.T. skins. The old can not be brought into the N.T. worship. The only ordinances we have in the N.T. are communion and baptism, and laying on of hands,(dedications). Love to all, Hoffco
 

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HalleluYAHWEH!

That is great to hear.

Yeah I didnt want to go throught and explain all or the 2nd half/2nd coming Feasts as I thought if one didnt get the idea from that explaining them all wouldnt make a difference.

However, to you is it not amazing how the Feasts of Yahweh prophesied everything the Messiah would do, as the Lamb and the Lion. Amazing, and I feel once you understand the message of the Feasts it is much harder to be decieved on doctrine. Probably because of mental and Spiritual understanding that comes from keep Yahweh's apponited meeting times.

And there is no better way to celebrate ans worship Yahweh and His Salvation than these ways. Most of the world has been tricked into keeping Bablonian SUN god and fertility goddess worship instead of what Yahweh says.

SPIRIT AND TRUTH, SPIRIT AND TRUTH
Quite frankly, one cannot understand God's plan of salvation without keeping the Feast days. The Feast days reveal God's plan.

Now to 'rightly divide' the word of truth...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

things to come is future tense, not looking back, but looking forward to the future.
 
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Quite frankly, one cannot understand God's plan of salvation without keeping the Feast days.
really?

Romans 1:16
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles

2 Corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Romans 3:25
24being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus
 
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Something called the Fest of Tabernacles is coming up soon, it is a Feast of Yahweh, not of the Jews. If you believe your Scriptures its the Feast of Yahweh, if you believe Constantine its the feast of he Jews.

So in this Feast you live in a temporary dwelling for 7 days, keeping this Feast reminds you that you are not of this world, your real home is not here. It really puts things into perspective, maybe next time you are faced with or have the urge to do something worldly you don't do it because keeping the Heast made you think about it in a way that otherwise would have been impossible. First the Feasts are HOLY CONVOCATIONS, which are apponited meeting times with Yahweh, so it is guaranteed that Yahweh will be upon you Spiritually (and no Hes not with you ALL the time, what about when you do a vile sin, is the Spirit with you then? I can say no by experience, any who think the Spirit is still there why they transgress, has never had the Spirit priod.) Yahweh created us, HE KNOWS HOW WE WORK, first when you wake up in an unfarmilliar place you think what im I doning here? Then you remember, and you get an understanding that thinking about it CAN NOT replicate. Can you think about what it, and then KNOW what was like for Yahshua in the Sacrafice? No if you havent experienced it you have no real idea. Next, Yahweh will give one Spiritual understanding because they are subjecting themselves to the lessons and teachings of Yahweh. Some learn lessons from Yahweh the hard way and some can willingly be trained by Yahweh, or both.

So yeah for me the Feast of Tabernacles is a physical and Spiritual training course devised by the Creator who created us and knows how we operate, learn and grow. For some it may be a "JEW JEW JEW stupid JEW thing." NOT FOR ME, for me it is a blessing.

HalleluYAHWEH!
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"Before we move on, we must mention one more thing: the two ceremonies that took place at the Feast of Tabernacles, which set it apart from the other feasts, were, first, the pouring out of water, and second, the illumination of the Temple. This is significant because Jesus clearly alludes to these practices when he is teaching the people during the feast, and he applies their symbolic meaning to his own person and work. The pouring of water he alludes to in John 7:37-39; and the illumination of the Temple he alludes to in John 8:12. We will discuss both of these sayings when we get to those texts....

.,,Conclusion:
At the Feast of Tabernacles, Jesus makes some staggering claims, which demand that all the symbolism of the great religious feasts of the Jews be fulfilled in him alone. Thus, he alone can pour out the life-giving Spirit upon all flesh, and he alone is the true Light of the world. Of course, this is too great a claim for a mere man to make of himself; but, as Jesus makes indisputably clear by the end of the feast, he is not merely a man – he is also Jehovah God, who existed eternally, and in whom the forefathers of Israel placed their trust. This teaching caused much animosity among the Jews, which was only stirred up all the more by his equally unpopular claim that the reason they did not believe him is that they did not belong to God, but to their father the devil, and they were therefore unable to believe the truth of God. The controversy that has begun between Jesus and the Pharisees is intensified and spread to the common people on this occasion – soon, in God’s own timing, it will result in the atrocity of the cross, which is both the greatest crime and the truest act of love and mercy in all of history...."

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