Does God expect the Jews to stop Jewish rituals when they know Jesus?

[homwardbound]

Who says that is ok? MAN?

Because this is what Yahweh says:

Exodus 23:13, "In all things I have said to you, be careful to do them, and make no mention of the name of hinder gods, neither let it be heard fromyour mouth."

It seems to me you are being too literal just as:
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace
Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
2 Corinthians 3:6 who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

 

[homwardbound]

Quality observation, In my opioion it depends if it originated with pagan/demon origins or not. If it didn't originate with pagan than I agree with you. If it did I don't want to say it. And we will probably never know for sure the origins of that word, so I choose not to use it.

What does God judge us all by? Motive right? So what is your motive, mine is this below

"Comfort God by letting God know that you would see God just to dwell in God's Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for God. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."

 

[Hizikyah]

Yahshua says by works:

Earlier I was saying no matter what one did if they did it NOT for Yahweh it would be of no effect


Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices breaking the Law."

 

[homwardbound]

I agree with the main thought here, I dont believe 1 saved always:

Romans 3:25, "Whom Yahweh set forth as a sacrifice of atonement by His own blood, through the faith, to declare His
righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of Yahweh."

However, certianly, one knows he is walking with the Messiah when sin dosen't rule over him. That dosen't mean I still do all the old sins I did but just say there not sin, it means I have no desire to even do those sins any longer. In myself I can say the power of Yahweh has changed me, and continues to change me. Instead of desiring sin, I now enjoy things that are righteous, which before didn't really matter to me. Years ago I though I was in the Messiah but I was still living the same worldly life and never even thought it was a problem, now that I see the change I know I was fooling myself before. This is the reason why I quote alot of the verses I quote, because there are probaly SOME people that are living like I used to and still at enmity to Yahweh's instructions.

Thanks and what you have said is well understood from me as well, been there done that, had not been dying to self efforts with Christ, so as Paul said conformed to Christ's death.
[h=3]Philippians 3:7-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

 

[Hizikyah]

I think we are on the same page on this one, you know I get distressed because I thik alot of people really believe they are walking with Yahshua, but they are doing the same thing they always did. Not judging, but these people need to be pulled out of thier delusion. I had to learn the hard way, and it could have been much worse if it werent for the mercy of Yahweh. His longsuffering is our treasure, although not to be taken advantage of. Some of the sermons Ive heard from famous preachers sound more like a Tony Roberts seminar than the word of Yahweh.

 

[homwardbound]

And knowing Him is most important, I choose to use His Name because He commands us to many times in the Scriptures and taking it out was a Pharise law and against the 10 commandments, vanity is "nothingness, worthlessness". And since the is another Law that says dont blaspheme the Name of Yahweh, if you translate the word vanity to is most true definition you end up with "You shall not take the Name of Yahweh your Heavenly Father to bring it to nothing," Also Yahweh is clearly angered by it in His word.

Yeremyah 12:14-16, "This is what Yahweh says against all My evil neighbors who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from
among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his aheritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal; Lord--then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."

Im not perfect but I try to do as He wants.

For God is the only perfect one and through Christ we are made thus:
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Do you see, it is none of us and all God that makes us righteous in God by believing God, If one believes God to go to this extreme and actually do this.
We are warned not to take this great salvation as in being 100% forgiven and made alive to God through Christ the Son for granted:
Hebrews 2:3
how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

[h=3]Hebrews 10:27-29[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]27 [/SUP]but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

So I am most elated over the fact that I see you want to know Father, and you can through Christ your propitiations for all sin(s) if you ever do commit any more, and you only will whenever you walk by flesh. Never as you walk in God's Spirit can you.
So learn to walk by the Spirit of God

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:4
that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.



Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

 

[homwardbound]

I never said otherway around If someone loves you and you love them, you would listen to what they say right?

I was just answering your ?, I do not ever intend to offend, in any way for that is not the way of Father, proven through Son Christ. For he came to us life not condemnation only what we are already condemned by in showing us that flesh is weak, even though Spirit is willing. An so this is why we are to consider self dead with Christ at the cross to the flesh and alive to God in the Spirit of God by the resurrection in Spirit this is here today for us all who believe God to do this not ourselves in any way. It is all God and no one else, we are made one in God through Christ, the way, the truth and the new life that he came to give is available to all right here and right now through us dying to self and thus alive to God in Spirit of God by the resurrected Christ
[h=3]Romans 6:3-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

 

[homwardbound]

This is why I feel the need to turn to obedience, not even because I outwardly think it, something inside is telling me to humble myslef and take instruction from Yahweh.

continue to seek out truth and God will show it to you as you do this:
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

You are defiantly on the path to total freedom found in Christ, for I know God will show it to you, since you are diligent, yet the world will come against you, But I know God, god is awesome and will not ever forsake you, God will get you to stand as God does me as well, for God has received you as in rom.
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

 

[Hizikyah]

I have to say I agree, just so youe clear, no one is justified by works but one can lose thier spot in the kingdom by being evil (shown in above verses I quoted. I thik the verses in Hebrew 10 we both quoted explain it the best. Kimd of what I was saying, people are taugh all faith no obedience, so whaen I quote vereses about obedience they get all worked up. Why would we not want to be obedient? For me it is a joy to keep Sabbath, a day where I get to do NOTHING but focus on Yahweh, no worried, no distractions, no nonsense, just Spiritual food. It has blessed my understanding and I can tell you, I feel the difference in joy compared to the times when worldliness does creep in.

Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Instructions that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

 

[Hizikyah]

continue to seek out truth and God will show it to you as you do this:
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

You are defiantly on the path to total freedom found in Christ, for I know God will show it to you, since you are diligent, yet the world will come against you, But I know God, god is awesome and will not ever forsake you, God will get you to stand as God does me as well, for God has received you as in rom.
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Great verses.

 

[homwardbound]

Yahshua says by works:

Earlier I was saying no matter what one did if they did it NOT for Yahweh it would be of no effect


Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices breaking the Law."

Works are either a byproduct od one's Faith in God or they are of self top reach God?
No in between
[h=3]Hebrews 11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For by it the elders obtained a good report. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. [SUP]4 [/SUP]By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. [SUP]5 [/SUP]By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

And James says:
James 2:18
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
the above verse is misinterpreted a lot. When it states works are a by-product of Faith in God.
Did Abraham do the works first? or by belief did the works come to be? Same with all Saints in God
Hebrews 11 goes hand in hand to what James says and if i8t doesn't then there is a problem in interpretation.

 

[homwardbound]

I think we are on the same page on this one, you know I get distressed because I thik alot of people really believe they are walking with Yahshua, but they are doing the same thing they always did. Not judging, but these people need to be pulled out of thier delusion. I had to learn the hard way, and it could have been much worse if it werent for the mercy of Yahweh. His longsuffering is our treasure, although not to be taken advantage of. Some of the sermons Ive heard from famous preachers sound more like a Tony Roberts seminar than the word of Yahweh.

Flesh life is deceptive, and has been ever since man has become aware of life in the flesh, knowing good and evil, choosing selfishness over good all the time. Who will go to death other than God himself for his creation? And yes this is to be so thankful with praises and Spirit worship to God that we are too busy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in Christ to even think about sin. We are too busy in God's Spirit, being appreciative and thankful for what we have over what we do not have.
We have life everlasting, what better gift is there? See brothers and Sisters.
Content in all things

 

[Hizikyah]

I cant speak for anyone else, but I explained where my will of obedience comes from.

THIS HAS HAPPEND IN ME, if you knew me personally it would be evident

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity; the hatred and the opposition, to the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice- -having killed the enmity through Himself."

All translations and munuscripts say the enmity was abolished, but mose Bibles add the words "THAT IS" and if you read it with and without those ADDED words it really changes the meaning of the Scripture.

Also all versions make it clear what was abolished in verse 16.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity; the hatred and the opposition, to the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice- -having killed the enmity through Himself."

Nothing like reading into the bible what you want to see...

 

[Hizikyah]

Flesh life is deceptive, and has been ever since man has become aware of life in the flesh, knowing good and evil, choosing selfishness over good all the time. Who will go to death other than God himself for his creation? And yes this is to be so thankful with praises and Spirit worship to God that we are too busy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in Christ to even think about sin. We are too busy in God's Spirit, being appreciative and thankful for what we have over what we do not have.
We have life everlasting, what better gift is there? See brothers and Sisters.
Content in all things

2 Corinthians 12:8-10, "I called upon Yahweh three times about this thing, to take it away from me. But He said to me: My mercy is enough for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness. Therefore, I will very gladly boast about my weaknesses, that the power of the Messiah may rest upon me. So for the sake of Messiah, I take pleasure in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, and in distresses. For when I am weak, then I am strong."

Hebrews 12:2-11, "For consider Him Who endured such opposition against Himself from sinners, so that you would not become weary, and faint in your minds. You yourselves have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as unto sons: My son, do not despise the chastening of Yahweh, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom Yahweh loves, He chastens, and scourges every son whom He
receives. If you endure chastening, Yahweh deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not
chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. Furthermore, we have had fleshly fathers who corrected us, and we gave them reverence; should we not even more be subject to Father Yahweh, and live? For they truly chastened us for a few days as they thought best; but He, for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful at the present time, but grievous; nevertheless, afterward it produces the peaceable fruit of righteousness, that is, for those who have been trained by it."

 

[homwardbound]

I have to say I agree, just so youe clear, no one is justified by works but one can lose thier spot in the kingdom by being evil (shown in above verses I quoted. I thik the verses in Hebrew 10 we both quoted explain it the best. Kimd of what I was saying, people are taugh all faith no obedience, so whaen I quote vereses about obedience they get all worked up. Why would we not want to be obedient? For me it is a joy to keep Sabbath, a day where I get to do NOTHING but focus on Yahweh, no worried, no distractions, no nonsense, just Spiritual food. It has blessed my understanding and I can tell you, I feel the difference in joy compared to the times when worldliness does creep in.

Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Instructions that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

Thank you and we are called to peace in God through Son Christ, and obedience is a by-product of belief in God through Son, Christ

For me I am at peace in God through Son 24/7, no matter where I go or what I do. For in him he keeps me safe and secure, Now as soon as I step out of this 24/7 Sabbath rest that I am in, I sin. so What do you think I choose and learn from if I sin again? I can't ever say I will or won't, for I can't predict any future happenings.
But I can die daily to self with Christ back at the cross in my mind and be renewed in this by the resurrection becoming mine daily trusting God to do in me what I know I can't do in self.
Hope this helps you in your walk and trust of Father through Son Christ.
I just see what it has done and does for me and to me as I daily am co-crucified with Christ, by submission to God wanting nothing else but to be in Father's arms safe and secure

 

[Hizikyah]

Thank you and we are called to peace in God through Son Christ, and obedience is a by-product of belief in God through Son, Christ

For me I am at peace in God through Son 24/7, no matter where I go or what I do. For in him he keeps me safe and secure, Now as soon as I step out of this 24/7 Sabbath rest that I am in, I sin. so What do you think I choose and learn from if I sin again? I can't ever say I will or won't, for I can't predict any future happenings.
But I can die daily to self with Christ back at the cross in my mind and be renewed in this by the resurrection becoming mine daily trusting God to do in me what I know I can't do in self.
Hope this helps you in your walk and trust of Father through Son Christ.
I just see what it has done and does for me and to me as I daily am co-crucified with Christ, by submission to God wanting nothing else but to be in Father's arms safe and secure

Yeah, I think knowing that as soon as we step outside of His boundries we are in trouble is key. All the prophets called the people back into those boundries, I feel I wasnt walking with Yahshua untill I was within those boundries, I know actually. I think more people in our modern age need to be called back into those boundries.

I have to say this is one of the most constructive fellowships I had lately on the net.

 

[homwardbound]

I cant speak for anyone else, but I explained where my will of obedience comes from.

THIS HAS HAPPEND IN ME, if you knew me personally it would be evident

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity; the hatred and the opposition, to the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice- -having killed the enmity through Himself."

All translations and munuscripts say the enmity was abolished, but mose Bibles add the words "THAT IS" and if you read it with and without those ADDED words it really changes the meaning of the Scripture.

Also all versions make it clear what was abolished in verse 16.

already saw this and since you are accepted in God the beloved you need prove nothing to anyone, your new Spirit spoke to me anyway loud and clear.
[h=3]Ephesians 1:6-7[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]6 [/SUP]to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. [SUP]7 [/SUP]in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

You and I and all those that do believe God have this, and are safe and secure in Father through Son Christ
who by Christ made us this:

Colossians 1:22
in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

So don't take the verses as if we got to make ourselves Holy, because we can't and if anyone ever could then there was never a reason for Christ to come for us, to reconcile us, if anyone could ever be perfect in and of themselves after the fall of Adam and Eve, Christ's coming dying and being raised form dead was then all in vain, and we are to pitied of all people, and are all still in our sins, as is what the world has so well glossed over and done to the people not being freed from their sins and considering themselves in need to become perfect as God is perfect, not seeing Christ already has done this for them by his death and resurrection. as Shown in col 1:22
All God and none of anyone else. So hard to grasp, being taught from birth on to do good to get rewarded by God is a lie form the Devil.
Think about it, I do bad all year at age 7, I act as I did good, and I get rewards, being taught to fake being good, and I deceive, others around me. Hmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have we all not been there, some still there. Not one good only God is good. So I today choose to be a participator with God, not an imitator that does a good job in faking it.

 

[homwardbound]

Nothing like reading into the bible what you want to see...

What is being read into that I am curious

Originally Posted by Hizikyah

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity; the hatred and the opposition, to the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice- -having killed the enmity through Himself."

 

[Hizikyah]

It says what it says.

having killed the enmity through Himself.