Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

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adventbeliever

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Part 41 (Last Day Events)

So it will be that when the churches of these last days secure the power of the state to enforce their decrees, they will think that they will have no more struggle in the world, but to their surprise and amazement they will find that A TINY AND INSIGNIFICANT COMPANY OF PEOPLE filled with a strange and wonderful power will arise to lay bare the true nature of their scheming. Yet even when these people of God first appear on the scene, the leaders will seriously underestimate the power which is with them, and will think that they can easily nullify their statements with arguments, whose only force will be the power of their own authority. For some this will be enough, but others will demand a plain "thus saith the Lord," which of course these men cannot supply from a Word which condemns in every phase and principle that which they are doing.

Thus it is plain and clear that the first measure used against the people of God after the loud cry has begun will not be persecution, but only argument based upon the authority of men. Certainly this is no great test for the people of God. To be able to meet successfully the arguments of those who oppose the truth is not a painful experience, but rather a stimulating one, even after making due allowance for the fact that there is a measure of sorrow in seeing otherwise intelligent and rational men, take a foolish and soul destroying stand against the God of Heaven.

Despite the efforts of the clergy to suppress the truth, the message rapidly grows in power and influence.

"As the controversy extends into new fields and the minds of the people are called to God's downtrodden law, Satan is astir. the power attending the message will only madden those who oppose it. The clergy will put forth almost superhuman efforts to shut away the light lest it should shine upon their flocks. By every means at their command they will endeavor to suppress the discussion of these vital questions. The church appeals to the strong arm of civil power, and, in this work, papists and Protestants unite. As the movement for Sunday enforcement becomes more bold and decided, the law will be INVOKED against commandment keepers. They will be threatened with fines and imprisonment, and some will be offered positions of influence, and other rewards and advantages, as inducements to renounce their faith. But their steadfast answer is: 'SHOW US FROM THE WORD OF GOD OUR ERROR'--the same plea that was made by Luther under similar circumstances. Those who are arraigned before the courts make a strong vindication of the truth, and some who hear them are led to take their stand to keep all the commandments of God. Thus light will be brought before thousands who otherwise would know nothing of these truths." The Great Controversy,607.

This paragraph reveals that we have come to the time when the battle will be heating up to full intensity and more definite measures will be taken by the churches against the true people of God. Care must be taken in studying this paragraph that we do not draw a wrong conclusion from the statement, "As the movement for Sunday enforcement becomes more bold and decided, the law will be INVOKED against commandment-keepers." This could be understood to mean that the Sunday Law has not yet been passed at this stage until certain factors are considered.

In the first case we have seen before that the passing of the Sunday law sets up the image of the beast and accomplishes the complete spiritual fall of Babylon the Great. The message of the Loud Cry angel announces that Babylon the Great is fallen, and is therefore a message which cannot be sounded until the fact of it is accomplished. As surely as this is so, the Sunday Law has been passed before the Loud Cry begins, and as surely as the loud cry is in progress, so surely has the Sunday law been passed. Therefore the time referred to in the statement under study at this point, the Sunday law has already been passed for some time.
 
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adventbeliever

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Part 42 (Last Day Events)

Now the people of God will find themselves in the courts of law testifying for their faith. This is an effort on the part of the devil to silence their witness but, because they refuse to be intimidated, they instead give a powerful testimony for the truth, resulting in thousands hearing the message who would otherwise never hear it with some of them deciding to stand for the commandments of God. Thus, instead of stopping the message, these means only serve to further impell it forward.

Has the judgment of the living commenced by this time? To answer we must ask the other question, Has the great final test come to the people of God at this stage? The fact is that they have not yet even come to the buy and sell decree which is a still lesser test than the death decree especially in the context in whcih the death decree will be imposed upon the people of God. In fact, that which makes the death deacree, as we shall eventually see, so great a test is not so much the threat of death in itself but the implications and the circumstances under which it is imposed. This we shall understand better when we come to it.

But for now we wish to study the evidence which shows that the buy-and-sell decree is still something in the future at the point we are studying. It says that they are threatened with FINES and IMPRISONMENT. The imposition of a fine is the punishment of taking away from a man a certain portion of his money which there would not be the least point in doing if he was under a decree which forbade him to either buy or sell. Under those conditions his money would be completely worthless to him and there would be no pusnishment in taking it away from him. In other words a buy and sell decree is a greater punishment so that as this stage that is a further development which will appear in due time.

It would be well to recall again at this stage the statement which reads:

"Because they refuse to break His law in obedience to earthly powers, they will be forbidden to buy or sell. It will finally be decreed that they be put to death." Desire of Ages,121,122.

This statement clearly shows that the pressure on the people of God mounts progressively toward the ultimate decree of death. The world takes a severe measure against them which they expect will serve the purpose of silencing them, but when this fails, they adopt a more severe measure still, and then still more severe as they find themselves unable to silence the voice of reproof and warning.

By combining this statement with the information we have studied from The Great Controversy, we have the following order of events revealed:

At first the law is passed not against Sabbath-keepers but against the irreligious. The loud cry begins. The people of God refuse to honor it, for it would mean that they would have to dishonor God to do so. More than this, in the mighty power of the Spirit, they protest the law and show that it is fraught with disaster. The Sunday Law movement meets this first of all with argument, then with personal persecution, then with law suits, the threat of fines and imprisonment and then, because they still refuse to break God's law in order to obey a law of the land, they impose the buy and sell decree and when that too fails to silence them, they ulitmately impose the death decree, which, becomes the most severe and terrible test which anyone has ever faced in human history apart from Jesus upon the cross. Others in the past have faced and stood the test of death decrees but never one like this one.
 
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danschance

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Wow what amazingly detailed, well thought out scriptural exegesis on the subject. You have the nerve to accuse anyone else of spam?
Thank you. Although anyone can clearly see spam when a spammer spams entire chapters from a book, over, and over, and over, and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Posting walls of text, endless words which no one responds to like horrific case of keyboard diarrhea. Maybe you can talk some snese into him before the whole site has him on ignore.
 
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adventbeliever

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Last time I checked, everyone here was free to examine
what is being posted or to totally ignore the same.

I did explain in the introductory post that I
spent many years preparing this series on last day
events. And the content of these studies is in perfect
keeping with the title of this thread.

And if I am not mistaken one of the rules of this forum, which
is common to all the forums that I have been on so far, is that
the users are to address the issues and refrain from making
personal accusations against any user.

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adventbeliever

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Part 42 (Last Day Events)

Now the people of God will find themselves in the courts of law testifying for their faith. This is an effort on the part of the devil to silence their witness but, because they refuse to be intimidated, they instead give a powerful testimony for the truth, resulting in thousands hearing the message who would otherwise never hear it with some of them deciding to stand for the commandments of God. Thus, instead of stopping the message, these means only serve to further impell it forward.

Has the judgment of the living commenced by this time? To answer we must ask the other question, Has the great final test come to the people of God at this stage? The fact is that they have not yet even come to the buy and sell decree which is a still lesser test than the death decree especially in the context in whcih the death decree will be imposed upon the people of God. In fact, that which makes the death deacree, as we shall eventually see, so great a test is not so much the threat of death in itself but the implications and the circumstances under which it is imposed. This we shall understand better when we come to it.

But for now we wish to study the evidence which shows that the buy-and-sell decree is still something in the future at the point we are studying. It says that they are threatened with FINES and IMPRISONMENT. The imposition of a fine is the punishment of taking away from a man a certain portion of his money which there would not be the least point in doing if he was under a decree which forbade him to either buy or sell. Under those conditions his money would be completely worthless to him and there would be no pusnishment in taking it away from him. In other words a buy and sell decree is a greater punishment so that as this stage that is a further development which will appear in due time.

It would be well to recall again at this stage the statement which reads:

"Because they refuse to break His law in obedience to earthly powers, they will be forbidden to buy or sell. It will finally be decreed that they be put to death." Desire of Ages,121,122.

This statement clearly shows that the pressure on the people of God mounts progressively toward the ultimate decree of death. The world takes a severe measure against them which they expect will serve the purpose of silencing them, but when this fails, they adopt a more severe measure still, and then still more severe as they find themselves unable to silence the voice of reproof and warning.

By combining this statement with the information we have studied from The Great Controversy, we have the following order of events revealed:

At first the law is passed not against Sabbath-keepers but against the irreligious. The loud cry begins. The people of God refuse to honor it, for it would mean that they would have to dishonor God to do so. More than this, in the mighty power of the Spirit, they protest the law and show that it is fraught with disaster. The Sunday Law movement meets this first of all with argument, then with personal persecution, then with law suits, the threat of fines and imprisonment and then, because they still refuse to break God's law in order to obey a law of the land, they impose the buy and sell decree and when that too fails to silence them, they ulitmately impose the death decree, which, becomes the most severe and terrible test which anyone has ever faced in human history apart from Jesus upon the cross. Others in the past have faced and stood the test of death decrees but never one like this one.
From this time on the battles rage with a fierce and terrible intensity. The enemies of God are fully aroused and nothing is too cruel or too desperate for them to use in their mad purpose of silencing the dissenters.

"Conscientious obedience to the Word of God will be treated as rebellion. Blinded by Satan, the parent will exercise harshness toward the believing child, the master of mistress will oppress the commandment-keeping servant. Affection will be alianated; children will be disinherited and driven from home. The words of Paul will be literally fulfilled. 'And all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.' As the defenders of truth refuse to honour the Sunday Sabbath, some of them will be thrust into prison, some will be exiled and some will be treated as slaves. To human wisdom, all this now seems impossible; but as the restraining Spirit of God shall be withdrawn from men, and they shall be under the control of Satan, who hates the divine precepts, there will be strange developments. The heart can be very cruel when God's fear and love are removed." p.608.

This is the prospect for all those who in these last days will be true to God. God does not promise us a sweet and rosy path to the kingdom but rather one which is fraught with every kind of hardship, peril and persecution. It is a path which will require the greatest faith, courage and patience which must be developed in the present time if we are going to endure that day.
 
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Part 43 (Last Day Events)

There will be a universal hatred of God's servants. When the loud cry begins it will be a glorious experience at first for the message will go with all-conquering power against the citadels of wrong, but the devil will not be asleep nor will he stand idly by as the messengers of righteousness go forth with the truth. At this time the Spirit of God has been still further withdrawn from the earth with the result that the calamities and disasters are more frequent and more terrible so that the earth is being reduced to poverty and starvation.

"And then the great deceiver will persuade men that those who serve God are causing these evils. The class that have provoked the displeasure of God will charge all their troubles upon those whose obedience to God's commandments is a perpetual reproof to transgressors. It will be declared that men are offending God by the violation of the Sunday Sabbath; that this sin has brought calamities which will not cease until Sunday observance shall be strictly enforced, and that THOSE WHO PRESENT THE CLAIMS OF THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT, THUS DESTROYING REVERENCE FOR SUNDAY, ARE TROUBLERS OF THE PEOPLE, preventing their restoration to divine favour and temporal prosperity. Thus the accusations urged of old against the servants of God will be repeated, and upon grounds equally well established; 'And it came to pass, that when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou and thou father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the Lord, and thou hast followed Baalim.' As the wrath of the people shall be excited by false charges, they will pursue a course very similar to that which apostate Israel pursued toward Elijah." The Great Controversy, 590.

The fearful drought which reduced Israel of old to such dire physical strains was the direct result of the sin of the king and the people, yet they blamed the trouble upon the very man who was giving the warning which, if but heeded would have saved them from all their troubles.

So it will be again and the whole of the world will be stirred in enmity against the Sabbath-keepers. The fearful straits to which the world will be brought will be caused by the sin of the leaders and the people, but they will blame all of their troubles on the small group of God's people who will have been the very ones who will be giving the warning which, if but heeded would have saved the world from all of its troubles.

Never in human history this side of the flood have so many of the world's population enjoyed such affluence, comfort, and plenty. They are not accustomed to living in hardship yet, this is the very generation which will be forced to feel the pinching hand of want and need. Imagine the fury which will mount toward the true people of God whom they will erroneously imagine to be the cause of all their troubles. Thus the storm clouds will gather, black and heavy for their final bursting over the heads of the true children of God. Then will the courage and faith of all be tested; then will come the time when "a large class who have professed faith in the third angel's message' will "abandon their position and join the ranks of the opposition." Idem, 608.

Of this we shall study further in the next posts.
 
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adventbeliever

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:) Interesting picture! "Thousands upon thousands will listen who have never heard words like these."


Part 44 (Last Day Events)

If there is one thing which should be clear in the study of the development of the struggle between the forces of the God of Hosts and the powers of the kingdom of darkness during the Loud Cry period, it is that the pressure upon the true people of God mounts with increasing severity as time passes. We have seen that the Sunday law is decreed in the first case as a means of giving to the churches a power over the people which they have lost because of their apostasy, and as such will not have in mind the people of God, who at that time will be so few in number and scattered in the world as to be deemed unworthy of consideration. But to the stunned surprise of the worldly ministry, this unknown and unrecognized minority will appear invested with the power of the Holy Spirit with no mean measure.

At first the opponents of truth will still seriously underestimate this UNFORSEEN DEVELOPMENT, and will confidently imagine that it can be met with argument. As this will prove to be of no use at all in the case of any and every honest seeker to the truth, their enemies will be driven to the use of persecution, and then recourse to the laws of the land. By this time the true believer will find himself the object of hatred and persecution on every hand and the experience will be an exceedingly unpleasant one indeed.

But, fearful as this time will be, it will yet be only the gathering of the fearful storm which will finally break with unbriddled fury upon the children of God. Then will come the GREAT FINAL TEST, a test of such severity and magnitude, as will discover each and every weak character in the ranks of the Lord's army.

Then those who have been in the ranks of Sabbath keepers as foolish virgins, as tares among the wheat, as bad fish among the good, will be seen to be what they are and will leave the ranks of the people of God to become their most bitter persecutors, enemies and opponents. In fact many of them will not even wait till the storm actually bursts upon them, but seeing it approaching and reading the portents of it, will desert the ranks beforehand. This is made very clear as we read right on from the last point studied in our reference from The Great Controversy:

"As the storm approaches, a large class who have professed faith in the third angel's message, but who have not been sanctified through obedience to the truth, abandon their position and join the ranks of the opposition. By uniting with the world and partaking of its spirit, they have come to view matters on nearly the same light; and when the TEST is brought, they are prepared to choose the easy, popular side. Men of talent and pleasing address, who once rejoiced in the truth, employ their powers to deceive and mislead souls. They become the most bitter enemies of their former brethren. When Sabbath keepers are brought before the courts to answer for their faith, these APOSTATES are the most efficient agents of Satan to misrepresent and accuse them, and by false reports and insinuations to stir up the rulers against them." Idem, 608.

 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Don't get hurt. It's just a bit of fun in response to someone posting an entire book, chapter by chapter, full of SDA heretical doctrine in this thread.

Do a little research before you spam the thread with posts of your own. In fact, read the thread before posting. That's a good idea. If you had done that you would have seen a great deal of relevant information has been posted by danschance.

Pull the log out of your own eye pal so you can see clearly. Right now you look like a blind man swinging wildly in a dark room to those of us who have been in this thread for more than a minute.

Wow what amazingly detailed, well thought out scriptural exegesis on the subject. You have the nerve to accuse anyone else of spam?
 

john832

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Don't get hurt. It's just a bit of fun in response to someone posting an entire book, chapter by chapter, full of SDA heretical doctrine in this thread.

Do a little research before you spam the thread with posts of your own. In fact, read the thread before posting. That's a good idea. If you had done that you would have seen a great deal of relevant information has been posted by danschance.

Pull the log out of your own eye pal so you can see clearly. Right now you look like a blind man swinging wildly in a dark room to those of us who have been in this thread for more than a minute.
I don't recall advent believer making accusations about spam. That is my complaint. Posting the whole book has relegated this thread to nothingness.
 
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danschance

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I don't recall advent believer making accusations about spam. That is my complaint. Posting the whole book has relegated this thread to nothingness.

This is a forum geared for dialogue, debate, fellowship, learning, etc. It is not a lending library or a contest on who can post the greatest wall of text. As far as I am aware, no one commented on his 43 posts directly. If a post is absurdly long, I do not read it and I think that goes for many here.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I did read a couple of the chapters and it's an obvious stream of pure SDA heretical spam intended to squash any real discussion in this thread. The fact that it's poorly written with manifold composition errors is besides the point.

Here's the shelf where I file such "works":





This is a forum geared for dialogue, debate, fellowship, learning, etc. It is not a lending library or a contest on who can post the greatest wall of text. As far as I am aware, no one commented on his 43 posts directly. If a post is absurdly long, I do not read it and I think that goes for many here.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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That is because he's the one spamming the board and discussion with an entire book chapter by chapter. I've seen no evidence that the moderators mind. So, maybe we should all start doing it. I have 1,000 pages here refuting his heresy.

I'm assuming you're OK with me posting them in 1,000 separate posts in this thread since you're defending the behavior when he does it.

I don't recall advent believer making accusations about spam. That is my complaint. Posting the whole book has relegated this thread to nothingness.
 
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1still_waters

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This thread topic is an SDA related issue.
The tons of "spam" posts are related to the SDA issue under discussion
If he were making tons of threads with this content, that would be one thing.
He's pasting germane content in a thread related to said content.
 
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danschance

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Even spam can be relevant and still be spam at the same time.
 
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1still_waters

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For those still trying to discuss this issue, who view the many posts as a hindrance to that discussion, I have a solution for you.

Put him on your forum ignore list.
http://christianchat.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist

From past experience, some people favor being angry, over finding an actual solution to the thing that is making them angry/upset/or whatever not so happy feeling they're experiencing. But I'm assuming those types aren't reading this thread.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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The moderator has spoken. No more complaining about someone posting more than forty chapters of a book chapter by chapter. I have an enormous amount of germane content related to this discussion. Since it's OK to post it here, I will begin posting it.
 
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adventbeliever

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43 chapters!!! What I have posted, so far, would amount
to a few chapters of a book. I have been trying to
make it as short as possible to make it easier to
read. Obviously this kind of information will benefit
those who are seriously interested in knowing what
the real issues are. Those who disagree with what
is presented are the only ones complaining.

If you don't like the content, just don't read it.
What is stopping you from posting your own
material?

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adventbeliever

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Besides, I posted what I did after 40 pages of debate
had been going on.