Tattoos and Piercings

[GreenNnice]

I don't look at this any other way than God WILL use that person with tattoos for His glory, as, some have tattoos and piercings and will NOT listen to anyone speak to them about God's Love for them from anyone else BUT a person who has tattoos and piercings. God USES everyone, and, in a great way, don't doubt the power of God and how He worked tattoos into someone's life is for His reasons and I hear what Joshers says about body a temple of the Holy Spirit, I get that, but, I clearly seek the counsel of the Spirit for my life and this is something I see clearly in this way. The Lord leads. And, we are to follow Him. What's done in the past is not the future and not the present, God wants us to work with what we are NOW and will be in the future and whatever we do, Scripture tells us, we are to do for the glory of God. So, whatever your sin is, just go with Him, and, as Jesus says, He tells us, like Mary Magdalene, the prostitute, 'Go and sin no more.' We ALL sin. Notice how many people through a stone at Mary, when Jesus said, 'He who hath no sin cast the first stone?'

God wants us to come to understand He is Lord and judging others IS His job, not ours of this way, and, of long hair and anything else. Scripture says what it does but God's ways are NOT our ways and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts (Isaiah 55:8)

Be not of those of 'the circumcision' as Paul contends in Titus, talking to the Cretians, but, instead, be of the brotherhood and sisterhood of Christ who has adopted you as His sons and daughters by His very simple law for all to enter salvation, for us to follow, Love of Him, first, paramount, and,then, Love of others, of these TWO commandments, ALL the other commandments hinge

 

[NiceneCreed]

I have four tattoos, none of which circumvent my ability to receive God's free gift of grace.

 

[Cino]

You have no case. You unrighteously judge others due to their physical appearance. Tattoos can be forgiven. You haven't ONCE mentioned that. Tattoos do not reflect one's heart, especially if one became a Christian AFTER they received them.

You accuse others who do not agree with you of being blinded by Satan over physical differences and not concentrating on their heart. You may need to look in the mirror.

Since we are concentrating on physical differences between the Godly and ungodly I really hope you dont have a wedding ring, had a wedding ceremony, eat pork, shellfish, cut your hair, burn candles, decorate with wreaths, and wear a cross. ALL of these are pagan.

Well, as a matter of fact, NO, I don't have any of those things you mentioned before. And I do believe and know of some Christians who have tattoos and repented of them. After they were baptized, they were so ashamed, that they never wore short sleeves again in their life so they couldn't show their tattoos....and this includes a drummer from a rock band that was converted. He does not go to my church, but to another church. He never shows his arms after he was converted, because he said he knows what he did was sin and against the word of God, and of course he can be repented and saved. But he had his tattoos BEFORE he became a Christian and repented and was baptized. I am talking about Christians. Isn't this what the topic is about?

There are few commandments that are carried over from the Leviticus law into the new testament. When Jesus came, he said I give you a NEW Testament. Jesus said to love your enemies and NOT kill. The Leviticus law was overruled by Jesus' commandment to NOT KILL. This is why we do not kill disobedient children, or stone people to death, etc. We do not kill at all, end of story. I do not see anywhere in the New Testament that Jesus said any commandment to override the cutting of the flesh or marking on the body. If you can provide me with a scripture in the New Testament that gives permission to do this, then please do. Another commandment that was carried over is not to eat anything with blood. This should not be done by Christians either. We have to look at what commandments were carried over to the new testament. Not eating pork is not carried over, as Jesus said do not call anything unclean, and they were permitted to eat all meat in the new testament. They had rings in the new testament, although I do not have a wedding ring. All those things you listed, I don't do, but are they really all commandments that were carried over to the NEW Testament? We do not live under the law of the old testament, the Leviticus law.

And Jesus gave 2 new commandments, which puts all 10 commandments in the Old Testament into affect. If you look at the 10 commandments, you will find 5 are pertaining to God himself, and 5 are pertaining to your neighbour. Jesus gave us 2 new commandments.... Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength, and love your neighbour as yourself. If you keep these 2 commandments, then you are fulfilling all the 10 commandments and won't transgress against any of them.

Don't bring over into the new testament laws and commandments that were not carried over to the new testament. Back up your facts with scripture from the new testament. As I already said, Jesus did give a new commandment not to kill, not to kill ANYONE, but to love even your enemies. Where is the scripture please that overrides the cutting of the skin & marking of the body? I would like to read that.

 

[Bookends]

I wouldn't get a tattoo or piercing myself, but, what if God called you to be a witness to the biker crowd? A tattoo/piercing IMO does nothing to hurt the body, His temple. If done in a tasteful manner to bring glory to God (for the right reason). If some of you guys/gals want to get that dogmatic about everything, then don't drink Soda Pop or candy, or eat processed foods, or drink coffee, or take prescription drugs, that's more harmful to your body that a tattoo or piercing.

 

[Trax]

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a
mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

mark - khar'-ag-mah; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured
figure (statue): - graven, mark.

Social conditioning. Its just another tattoo, what's the big deal. I personally, would not
want to stand before the Lord and be asked, "Why did you contribute to society's acceptance
of tattoos, knowing all along this mark was coming and that it would lock the person's destination
to the lake of fire?" And what would be worse is be shown the people, heading to the lake of fire,
that you helped influence to get a tattoo, then to take the mark.

Oh, but today, its viewed as a "chip". A financial transaction device isn't cause to send anyone to
the lake of fire. Openly being marked in worship of the anti-chirst is. As it has been stated, tattooing
in ancient times was to worship a pagan god. Satan hasn't changed tatics in all this time.
And once again, he'll have people marking themselves up to worship his man, Mr A/C. And many
Christians have helped make it possible, for an ancient pagan custom to once again be instituted,
resulting in many going to the lake of fire. Right now, its just social conditioning to get more tats
and at the same time, telling people to "beware the chip!" Deception, deception, deception....

 

[iamsoandso]

i thought this would be a short work,,,,but it will not end,sunday school ends at 10:45,,,,,,church starts at 11:00,,,,,,,,

 

[Cino]

Why can't we just accept it that tattoos and piercings are not good just because GOD SAID SO? Where is the obedience to his word?

 

[ForthAngel]

Why can't we just accept it that tattoos and piercings are not good just because GOD SAID SO? Where is the obedience to his word?

Why can't you just accept that people have them in good faith and it's not a sin cuz the bible says so. When you start killing witches, I'll get my tats removed. Deal? 10 commandments were implemented before the rest of the Levitical law, so your argument about Jesus putting the 10 commandments in effect destroys your logic. 10 commandments were in effect first. The Levitical law about tattoos was pertaining to idol worship, which breaks the 1st commandment. We don't get tattoos to aid in idol worship.

 

[Cino]

Why can't you just accept that people have them in good faith and it's not a sin cuz the bible says so. When you start killing witches, I'll get my tats removed. Deal? 10 commandments were implemented before the rest of the Levitical law, so your argument about Jesus putting the 10 commandments in effect destroys your logic. 10 commandments were in effect first. The Levitical law about tattoos was pertaining to idol worship, which breaks the 1st commandment. We don't get tattoos to aid in idol worship.

I can't accept that it is not sin, because it is. End of story. You don't wish to accept that because obviously you have one or more, and you don't want to accept the fact that you need to repent of it. Well, so be it. It's your life. You talk about idol worship, yet your body is to be the temple of God. If you mar that body, you mar the temple of God. In the New Testament, Jesus said he gives us a NEW Testament to live by. I said this before if you would read some of my posts. The 10 commandments are in the old testament. Five of those commandment are pertaining to God, and 5 to your neighbour. There are certain commandments carried over from the Old Testament to the New Testament. However, Jesus said do not Kill Anyone... and to even LOVE YOUR ENEMIES. So, the Leviticus law states that we should kill witches, and stone our disobedient children, etc. Jesus overruled that law with his New Testament, in saying that we should NOT kill anyone.

Show me scripture in the New Testament where Jesus overruled the commandment to not mark your body or cut your body. Please show me this. Jesus has overruled the law of killing by telling us to love our enemy. This is a commandment by Jesus. So show me please, where Jesus said that it is now okay to mark your body or cut your body. I would like to see scripture, not just your opinion. I will pray for you, as obviously you cannot hear the word of the Lord to convict you that this is wrong.

 

[Cino]

And Jesus has put all 10 commandments into just 2.... love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength, and love your neighbour as yourself. If you do these 2 commandments, you will fulfil all the 10 commandments in the old testament anyway. So leave out the 10 commandments. We are not talking about them now. We are talking about the Leviticus law, and some commandments are carried over to the new testament. Also, Christians should abstain from anything that has blood, so we should not eat any blood as well. Study your Bible before you make statements. These are commandments that have been carried over from the O.T. to the N.T.

 

[ForthAngel]

And Jesus has put all 10 commandments into just 2.... love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength, and love your neighbour as yourself. If you do these 2 commandments, you will fulfil all the 10 commandments in the old testament anyway. So leave out the 10 commandments. We are not talking about them now. We are talking about the Leviticus law, and some commandments are carried over to the new testament. Also, Christians should abstain from anything that has blood, so we should not eat any blood as well. Study your Bible before you make statements. These are commandments that have been carried over from the O.T. to the N.T.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]When we were controlled by our old nature,[SUP][b][/SUP] sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. [SUP]6[/SUP]But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.

 

[GreenNnice]

Why can't we just accept it that tattoos and piercings are not good just because GOD SAID SO? Where is the obedience to his word?

Why can't you accept that the Lord leads us and we WILL make mistakes and God will get us through them and we are not under legalistic law of 'blood of animals' anymore, we are UNDER the BLOOD of Christ

 

[ForthAngel]

Sorry to keep doing this to you Cino. I do understand where you are coming from and I admire your faith in God, but this point has to be made clear as you are bringing people in good faith back into judgment.

We can read in II Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". So we see that the Old Testament is important or as Timothy says "profitable" for all these things, for examples to us. However, we must be careful that we do not "live" in the Old Testament nor by the Old Testament laws, for Jesus Christ said I give you a NEW Testament in which to live by. True, there are certain commandments that are carried over from the Old Testament to the New Testament that we should follow, but our faith is in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

 

[Praus]

I can't accept that it is not sin, because it is. End of story. You don't wish to accept that because obviously you have one or more, and you don't want to accept the fact that you need to repent of it.

2 Pet 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

1 Tim 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

Show me scripture in the New Testament where Jesus overruled the commandment to not mark your body or cut your body. Please show me this. Jesus has overruled the law of killing by telling us to love our enemy. This is a commandment by Jesus. So show me please, where Jesus said that it is now okay to mark your body or cut your body. I would like to see scripture, not just your opinion. I will pray for you, as obviously you cannot hear the word of the Lord to convict you that this is wrong.

Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

 

[Cino]

Sorry to keep doing this to you Cino. I do understand where you are coming from and I admire your faith in God, but this point has to be made clear as you are bringing people in good faith back into judgment.

Sorry to do this to you, but you haven't read a WORD of what I said. I did say that there are "some" commandments that ARE carried over to the new testament, and some that are not. It is pointless to talk to you, as you are rude and obnoxious, and only trying to push your point on here, instead of letting everyone have their own opinion. I may report you for doing that. Everyone has the right on here to say what they believe, including me, and I have given you scriptures to back it up, even though you say I haven't. So stop getting on my case and leave me alone, ok? If you are a real Christian, talk like one and act like one. I did not tell you either, that you are a devil worshipper. Maybe you are the one that just picked that up somewhere? I never said those words, so stop putting words in my mouth ok? Be decent and polite on here or I will report you.

 

[Cino]

Sorry to keep doing this to you Cino. I do understand where you are coming from and I admire your faith in God, but this point has to be made clear as you are bringing people in good faith back into judgment.

And we do NOT live in the old testament. Don't you as a Christian know that? If we did, then where is Jesus Christ? He is in the new testament. I said over & over that there ARE some commandments that are carried over to the new testament. When I thought you would be smart enough to understand, that when I say we don't live in the old testament, that we live by the words that Jesus Christ told us, not the law. However, if you study your Bible correctly, you will see that there are still "some" commandments carried over to the new testament. I'm getting tired of saying the same thing.

 

[Praus]

And we do NOT live in the old testament. Don't you as a Christian know that? If we did, then where is Jesus Christ? He is in the new testament. I said over & over that there ARE some commandments that are carried over to the new testament. When I thought you would be smart enough to understand, that when I say we don't live in the old testament, that we live by the words that Jesus Christ told us, not the law. However, if you study your Bible correctly, you will see that there are still "some" commandments carried over to the new testament. I'm getting tired of saying the same thing.

The words Jesus told us:

Luke 10:25 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How do you read it?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.”

The following verses are not the "words that Jesus Christ told us", but they apply to every Christian. Christians live by the words of the whole Bible.

Paul, not Jesus, wrote:

Rom 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

James, not Jesus, said:

Acts 15:19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.

 

[ForthAngel]

Sorry to do this to you, but you haven't read a WORD of what I said. I did say that there are "some" commandments that ARE carried over to the new testament, and some that are not. It is pointless to talk to you, as you are rude and obnoxious, and only trying to push your point on here, instead of letting everyone have their own opinion. I may report you for doing that. Everyone has the right on here to say what they believe, including me, and I have given you scriptures to back it up, even though you say I haven't. So stop getting on my case and leave me alone, ok? If you are a real Christian, talk like one and act like one. I did not tell you either, that you are a devil worshipper. Maybe you are the one that just picked that up somewhere? I never said those words, so stop putting words in my mouth ok? Be decent and polite on here or I will report you.

Report me for what exactly? Disagreeing with your opinion and showing you scripturally your error?
Can you explain these verses to me so I understand please:

[h=3]Galatians 3[/h]
3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

[SUP]2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

[SUP]14 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

[SUP]21[/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

[SUP]23[/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Praus]

Sorry to do this to you, but you haven't read a WORD of what I said. I did say that there are "some" commandments that ARE carried over to the new testament, and some that are not. It is pointless to talk to you, as you are rude and obnoxious, and only trying to push your point on here, instead of letting everyone have their own opinion. I may report you for doing that. Everyone has the right on here to say what they believe, including me, and I have given you scriptures to back it up, even though you say I haven't. So stop getting on my case and leave me alone, ok? If you are a real Christian, talk like one and act like one. I did not tell you either, that you are a devil worshipper. Maybe you are the one that just picked that up somewhere? I never said those words, so stop putting words in my mouth ok? Be decent and polite on here or I will report you.

James 3:5 So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell.

 

[nw2u]

Love of Him, first, paramount, and,then, Love of others, of these TWO commandments, ALL the other commandments hinge

Yep. Tattoos or anything else are not in and of themselves wrong or sinful. It is our actions and words that are.