Is Jesus God?

[directline2iam]

I'm saying it cannot be proved otherwise from the Scriptures I have seen either in this thread or previously.

Will this work for you?

John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and APART FROM HIM NOTHING CAME INTO BEING that has come into being. 4)In Him was life, and the LIFE was the Light of men.


John 5:21 "For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.


John 5:26 For as the FATHER HAS ((LIFE)Godhead) in himself, so he has granted the Son ((ALSO TO HAVE ((LIFE)(Godhead)) IN HIMSELF).


Gen 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of LIFE; and man BECAME a LIVING BEING.


John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw ((His glory) (Godhead)), glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.


What I see is man is made of clay. Man BECAME (make note of the word BECAME) a living soul and the living soul = clay + Spirit.


So after man (clay) BECAME a living soul, man did not stop being clay.


So as for Jesus being ((spirit)(which is life)) and then added ((clay)(which is man))to Himself, where He ((BECAME) a (living soul)) He didn't stop being Spirit,life, which is Godhead.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

If Jesus is not God, you don't take the Holy Bible seriously. A better question which's answered no is, is benny hinn a little god? or am I a little god? Since Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, He is God, we are only adopted in by His blood. Keep thee in mind you remember, Jesus was only made for a little while lower than the angels (while on earth), after that He ascended on high, exalted at the right hand of the Father.

lol, had to make it plain and clear, now it only needs to settle in your heart and mind, in understanding.

 

[oldhermit]

If Jesus is not God, you don't take the Holy Bible seriously. A better question which's answered no is, is benny hinn a little god? or am I a little god? Since Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, He is God, we are only adopted in by His blood. Keep thee in mind you remember, Jesus was only made for a little while lower than the angels (while on earth), after that He ascended on high, exalted at the right hand of the Father.

lol, had to make it plain and clear, now it only needs to settle in your heart and mind, in understanding.

delete!!!!

 

[kenisyes]

“ἐέ” is third person singular aorist first indicative of “ό”
The word “ἴ”s nominative and accusative plural neuter of “ἴ” which suggests equality in quantity or quality, Thayers p 307. granted them “ ἴ”equal status. Paul now uses this same word to express the nature of Jesus’ divine status. He is equal to God. “ἁὸ” is the act of seizing, robbery, Thayers p 74. Note bene
In keeping with the posture of a ύs - servant / slave,

Sorry, your transmission is breaking up. I can't tell for sure what words you mean.

The way I understand it, is that if you believe He is God, then laying aside refers to having it like in His pocket, available but not used by choice. If you believe He is not God, then it means He left it in heaven, and hence was not God on earth.

 

[directline2iam]

If Jesus is not God, you don't take the Holy Bible seriously. A better question which's answered no is, is benny hinn a little god? or am I a little god? Since Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, He is God, we are only adopted in by His blood. Keep thee in mind you remember, Jesus was only made for a little while lower than the angels (while on earth),


I'm not disagreeing with you but can you direct me to that scriputre about being made alittle lower than the Angels? Thankyou

 

[oldhermit]

Sorry, your transmission is breaking up. I can't tell for sure what words you mean.

The way I understand it, is that if you believe He is God, then laying aside refers to having it like in His pocket, available but not used by choice. If you believe He is not God, then it means He left it in heaven, and hence was not God on earth.

He cannot lay aside that which he does not possess.

 

[Bryancampbell]

[Jesus speaking] "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty" - Revelation 1:8 NASB

"Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: 'I Am the first and I Am the last, and there is no God besides me.'" - Isaiah 44:6 NASB

Jesus is the Almighty God.

 

[kenisyes]

Will this work for you?

John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and APART FROM HIM NOTHING CAME INTO BEING that has come into being. 4)In Him was life, and the LIFE was the Light of men.


John 5:21 "For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.


John 5:26 For as the FATHER HAS ((LIFE)Godhead) in himself, so he has granted the Son ((ALSO TO HAVE ((LIFE)(Godhead)) IN HIMSELF).


Gen 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of LIFE; and man BECAME a LIVING BEING.


John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw ((His glory) (Godhead)), glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.


What I see is man is made of clay. Man BECAME (make note of the word BECAME) a living soul and the living soul = clay + Spirit.


So after man (clay) BECAME a living soul, man did not stop being clay.


So as for Jesus being ((spirit)(which is life)) and then added ((clay)(which is man))to Himself, where He ((BECAME) a (living soul)) He didn't stop being Spirit,life, which is Godhead.

John1:4 was posted earlier, and the problem is in the precise meaning of the word "became" flesh later. The Greek egeneto can mean either changed or added something. If it means changed, it is possible "the Word" is no longer God after.

John 5:21 requires that you show that only God can give life, and that the Son may do so independently of the Father. Since Jesus elsewhere says He does only what He sees the Father do, it is possible He inherits the ability to give life, without being God. A division of power is demonstarted in the next verse, over power to judge. John 5:26 confirms this idea, that the power to give life may be "given by the Father" not intrinsic because one is God.

The meaning of "became" in Hebrew is irrelevant to the meaning of became in Greek. The meaning in Hebrew is just a form of the verb "to be" and does not include actual operation of anything,like the Greek egeneto.

John 1:14 does not say Godhead. It is up to the inidividual whether "glory of an only-begotten" plus "grace and truth" is enough to establish godhead.

 

[oldhermit]

If Jesus is not God, you don't take the Holy Bible seriously. A better question which's answered no is, is benny hinn a little god? or am I a little god? Since Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, He is God, we are only adopted in by His blood. Keep thee in mind you remember, Jesus was only made for a little while lower than the angels (while on earth),



I'm not disagreeing with you but can you direct me to that scriputre about being made alittle lower than the Angels? Thankyou

That is passage is Hebrews 2:7

 

[kenisyes]

He cannot lay aside that which he does not possess.

But once you lay something aside, perhaps you no longer possess it. The word WAS God, Jesus no longer IS God as of the time of His birth, if this argument is correct.

 

[kenisyes]

[Jesus speaking] "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty" - Revelation 1:8 NASB

"Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: 'I Am the first and I Am the last, and there is no God besides me.'" - Isaiah 44:6 NASB

Jesus is the Almighty God.

I almost thought you had a proof until I looked it up. NOthing in Revelation says it is Jesus speaking. The verse itself says it is the Lord God speaking, and that title could just be the translation from the Hebrew of Adonai Elohim, a perfect title of God the Father. In context, John writes this to say that Jesus is the means by which the Father, who wa first, completes salvation, and thus is last.

You can't get it from Is. 44:6 either, because God is the redeemer of Israel (through the red sea) and Jesus is the redeemer of the world (through the cross).

 

[oldhermit]

I almost thought you had a proof until I looked it up. NOthing in Revelation says it is Jesus speaking. The verse itself says it is the Lord God speaking, and that title could just be the translation from the Hebrew of Adonai Elohim, a perfect title of God the Father. In context, John writes this to say that Jesus is the means by which the Father, who wa first, completes salvation, and thus is last.

You can't get it from Is. 44:6 either, because God is the redeemer of Israel (through the red sea) and Jesus is the redeemer of the world (through the cross).

The one who is speaking is the one who was dead and is alive for ever more

 

[oldhermit]

If Jesus is not God, you don't take the Holy Bible seriously. A better question which's answered no is, is benny hinn a little god? or am I a little god? Since Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, He is God, we are only adopted in by His blood. Keep thee in mind you remember, Jesus was only made for a little while lower than the angels (while on earth),


I'm not disagreeing with you but can you direct me to that scriputre about being made alittle lower than the Angels? Thankyou

Actually, verse seven is talking about man in general in his created state. Verse none then presents Jesus being made a little lower than the angels for the purpose of suffering death.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

I almost thought you had a proof until I looked it up. NOthing in Revelation says it is Jesus speaking. The verse itself says it is the Lord God speaking, and that title could just be the translation from the Hebrew of Adonai Elohim, a perfect title of God the Father. In context, John writes this to say that Jesus is the means by which the Father, who wa first, completes salvation, and thus is last.

You can't get it from Is. 44:6 either, because God is the redeemer of Israel (through the red sea) and Jesus is the redeemer of the world (through the cross).

Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever,and was the creator, remember(¿), ¨let us make¨, so the Father was not before the Son, and the Son was not before the Father, nor was the Son created at all, Just to sum it up.

Also, Alpha and Omega the First and Last letters of the Greek alphabet are similar, you see, Alpha/Omega, First/Last, Beginning/End, God says to the son in Hebrews, Thy throne oh God is forever and ever,..Book of the Gospel according to John, In the beginning was the Word,..Like I said, take your Holy Bible seriously...

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Actually, verse seven is talking about man in general in his created state. Verse none then presents Jesus being made a little lower than the angels for the purpose of suffering death.

You see, my conclusions are drawn from widespread mentionings throughout the Holy Bible, take John 3:16 for instance, For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have eternal life,..and do you remember when Jesus says not my will but yours Father be done, and again when He mentions I have come to do my Father's will, and you know it is not God's will that anyone should perish.

 

[Bryancampbell]

I almost thought you had a proof until I looked it up. NOthing in Revelation says it is Jesus speaking. The verse itself says it is the Lord God speaking, and that title could just be the translation from the Hebrew of Adonai Elohim, a perfect title of God the Father. In context, John writes this to say that Jesus is the means by which the Father, who wa first, completes salvation, and thus is last.

You can't get it from Is. 44:6 either, because God is the redeemer of Israel (through the red sea) and Jesus is the redeemer of the world (through the cross).

And of the angels He says, "Who makes His angels winds, and His ministers a flame of fire."
But to the Son He says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness above Your companions." - Hebrews 1:7-9 NASB

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Actually, verse seven is talking about man in general in his created state. Verse none then presents Jesus being made a little lower than the angels for the purpose of suffering death.

also continue, to verse 9.

 

[kenisyes]

The one who is speaking is the one who was dead and is alive for ever more

How do you get that? All the surrounding verses are narrative. And the verbs are not "dead" and "alive" but "being". Further, "Almighty" (pantokrator) normally refers to God the Father. Same is true of verse 11; it is a quote bounded by narrative. Jesus is not stated to be the speaker.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

This is of my own brainstorming; I call it, Equation² of Axiom³ of GOD¹, Father + Son + Holy Ghost = ∞/1

 

[oldhermit]

How do you get that? All the surrounding verses are narrative. And the verbs are not "dead" and "alive" but "being". Further, "Almighty" (pantokrator) normally refers to God the Father. Same is true of verse 11; it is a quote bounded by narrative. Jesus is not stated to be the speaker.

καὶ ὁ ζῶν καὶ ἐγενόμην νεκρὸς καὶ ἰδοὺ ζῶν εἰμι
And I am the living (One) and I became dead and behold alive I am.