Mark of the beast is sunday laws.

[adventbeliever]

Part 9 (LAST DAY EVENTS)

So far in this study of the order of last day events, we have noted that the Image of the Beast is a landmark in the unrolling of the prophetic scroll. It is accomplished when the churches, having secured the support of the power of the State, have the National Sunday Law passed and enforced. Such an act, we learned, would bring about national ruin. It will have brought the powers of church and state to the point of no return and there will be left only the calling out of the true children of God before the judgments on Babylon fall in deadly earnest and destroy her completely.

Such a point of disaster will not have been reached in a moment. Rather, it is the outworking of certain forces over quite a period of time and the object of our study at the moment is to understand this outworking, so that we can follow it as it develops and know that all things are at hand in the final finishing movements of this earth's history.

We are fortunate that already such an outworking has taken place as we have already seen from the words of The Great Controversy, 443,444, the development of the Beast before it. There we read, "It was apostasy that led the early church to seek the aid of the civil government, and this prepared the way for the development of the papacy, the beast of Rev.13:1-10. So apostasy in the church will prepare the way for the Image of the Beast."

The word "so" means, "in just the same way." This then is but to say that as the apostasy in the early church led to the rise of the papacy, so, in exactly the same way, apostasy in the modern church will lead to the rise of the Image of the Beast. This is the very thing that is happening and is in fact well advanced to the full outworking of the evil thing that it is.

Having seen then in our last chapter, the history of the development of the rise of the apostasy and the consequent rise of the beast in the early centuries, let us now study the step by step development of the rise of the apostasy in the modern church which will lead to the rise of the Image of the Beast in this our day.

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[Praus]

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

fulfil:

G4137
πληρόω
plēroō
play-ro'-o
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

Where in the definition does it say that they do not apply anymore? Where does it say they are finished and not applicable to us today?

You're teaching out of Strong's again?

As far as not being a Jew...

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

With the attitude you display to the Law of God, perhaps you are not.

Are you attacking Apostle Paul?

Acts 21:27 When the seven days were nearly over, some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul at the temple. They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, 28 shouting, “Fellow Israelites, help us! This is the man who teaches everyone everywhere against our people and our law and this place. And besides, he has brought Greeks into the temple and defiled this holy place.”

Acts 21:39 Paul replied, “I am a Jew, from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no obscure city. I beg you, permit me to speak to the people.”

 

[adventbeliever]

the church will be gone before the 7 year tribulation the 144 000 the jews will be living through the seven year tribulation

The remnant church will not be gone but she will be well alive to go through the time of Jacob's trouble after the close of probation when the seven last plagues are falling upon the world. These are to be the members of this illustrious company of people otherwise called the "144,000" which, by the way, is a symbolic number for God is not concerned with arbitrary figures but with character especially when it comes to His church. "If you are Christ's you are Abraham's seed and an heir according to the promise." Gal.3:29. So it is not about Jews according to the flesh that Revelation 7 is speaking of but of spiritual Jews, any man born from above and who has received the final seal before entering the time of Jacob's trouble. (Rom.2:28)

By the way, Josh, this "seven-year tribulation" is based on on a false interpretation of Daniel 9. They have taken the last prophetic year of the 70 week prophecy which applies to Christ between 27 and 34 AD and they have transferred it in the last days!

ab

 

[Praus]

"God showed them what to do and what not to do but they departed
from the light." E.G. White, 1901 General Conference Bulletin, p.23.

Ellen G. White Writings

The Results of Self-Abuse—Females possess less vital force than the other sex, and are deprived very much of the bracing, invigorating air by their indoor life. The results of self-abuse in them is seen in various diseases such as catarrh, dropsy, headache, loss of memory and sight, great weakness in the back and loins, affections of the spine, the head often decays inwardly. Cancerous humor, which would lie dormant in the system their lifetime, is inflamed and commences its eating, destructive work. The mind is often utterly ruined, and insanity takes place. [See Appendix A.]—AM 27. E.G. White, 1864 An Appeal to Mothers

 

[john832]

You're teaching out of Strong's again?

I am fluent in neither Hebrew or Greek and must rely on those who are better educated in those languages.

Are you attacking Apostle Paul?

Acts 21:27 When the seven days were nearly over, some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul at the temple. They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, 28 shouting, “Fellow Israelites, help us! This is the man who teaches everyone everywhere against our people and our law and this place. And besides, he has brought Greeks into the temple and defiled this holy place.”

Acts 21:39 Paul replied, “I am a Jew, from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no obscure city. I beg you, permit me to speak to the people.”

Of course not, just repeating what Paul says. Actually, Paul was a Benjamite. But that is for a different thread topic.

 

[Praus]

I am fluent in neither Hebrew or Greek and must rely on those who are better educated in those languages.

Indeed.

James 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

With the attitude you display to the Law of God, perhaps you are not.

Of course not, just repeating what Paul says. Actually, Paul was a Benjamite. But that is for a different thread topic.

I think we're getting the basic difference between Christians and Adventists. Christians understand Paul.

Acts 21:27 When the seven days were nearly over, some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul at the temple. They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, 28 shouting, “Fellow Israelites, help us! This is the man who teaches everyone everywhere against our people and our law and this place.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

 

[john832]

Strong's overrides the Old Testament?

Exod 31:15 Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.

Exod 35:2 Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

Lev 23:3 “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

Deut 5:14 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant, or your ox or your donkey or any of your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

What he is saying is that the word "Sabbath" does not itself mean rest. Rest is part of the Sabbath command, but so is a commanded assembly (supported in the N.T. also - Heb 10:25).

 

[john832]

Ok, why doesn't it mean "rest"?

Exod 31:15 Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.

Exod 35:2 Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.

Lev 23:3 “Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwelling places.

Deut 5:14 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant, or your ox or your donkey or any of your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

This one was not pointed at you.

 

[adventbeliever]

Part 10 (LAST DAY EVENTS)

Up till 1844, the churches were strong teachers of the obligation of the law and the period is recognized as one of the most circumspect and moral of history. True, there was the worldly class who lived wickedly but the hard core of society was religious and law abiding. It was a period when there were men and women of decided strength of character and moral worth.

But when came the added light of the Advent message in 1844, and as has been noted already, the churches led out in a rejection of that message. Ever since there has been an ever increasing crime wave around the world. The family unit is no longer stable, juvenile as well as adult crime is of such fearful proportion to be a major concern of the powers that be. Divorce is common, and violence is rampant the world over. And all this is rapidly on the increase.

These are facts and no one can honestly deny them. The world is not getting to be a better place. It is getting worse and worse at a fearful pace. 2 Tim.3:1-5.

We are in the last days and this situation exists right now. The common man, the man in the street can see it. The officials can see it. The church can see it and the leaders of the nations can see it. Everyone can see it. And it is because they can, and because they are disturbed by it that it becomes the issue on political platforms. Every election in the United States stresses the need for the restoration of Law and Order.

Men will advance a number of different reasons for its presence or even be at a loss to give a reason at all, but let it be known on the authority of the Word of God that there is but one reason for it and that is the rejection of the truth sent to the churches from heaven. This is the reason. Having rejected the truth of God, they have rejected the power of God and thus have no method of defense against the power of sin in their lives, and therefore, the ever increasing crime, violence and immorality provides an ever strengthening pressure to come up with an answer that will either solve the situation or at least remove the blame from the churches.

This brings us to the next step in the inexorable march to the setting up of the Image of the Beast. They have rejected the truth of God, the Sabbath of God, the power of God. The barrier to sin removed, it has swept in like a flood. Now what?

Already quoted above is this statement, "The teachings or religious leaders have opened the door to infidelity, to spiritualism, and to contempt of God's holy law; and upon these leaders rests a fearful responsibility for the iniquity that exists in the 'Christian' world." Great Controversy, 587.

Now there immediately follows this word, "Yet this very class put forth the claim that the fast spreading corruption is largely attributable to the desecration of the so-called 'Christian sabbath,' and that the enforcement of Sunday would greatly improve the morality of society." Great Controversy, 587.

So here the churches, having rejected the Sabbath of God and the power of God, add further sin to the first sin by charging the trouble to Sunday desecration when it is not that at all. This is an act in support of Sunday and therefore is a further act in the rejection of the Sabbath, the truth and the power of God.

This then can only drive them still further away from God, still more firmly and deeply into the power of sin and thus the more widely open the door to the inroads of immorality, sin and spiritualism. Thus the churches are found to be in a descending spiral of ever frightening proportions until a crisis is reached of such dimension as will demand drastic and inevitable action. And that action will be the call for the enforcement of the Sunday, which, when it is accomplished, will be the setting up of the Image of the Beast.

 

[josh123]

The remnant church will not be gone but she will be well alive to go through the time of Jacob's trouble after the close of probation when the seven last plagues are falling upon the world. These are to be the members of this illustrious company of people otherwise called the "144,000" which, by the way, is a symbolic number for God is not concerned with arbitrary figures but with character especially when it comes to His church. "If you are Christ's you are Abraham's seed and an heir according to the promise." Gal.3:29. So it is not about Jews according to the flesh that Revelation 7 is speaking of but of spiritual Jews, any man born from above and who has received the final seal before entering the time of Jacob's trouble. (Rom.2:28)

By the way, Josh, this "seven-year tribulation" is based on on a false interpretation of Daniel 9. They have taken the last prophetic year of the 70 week prophecy which applies to Christ between 27 and 34 AD and they have transferred it in the last days!

ab

nah it's for the jews the 144 000 church will be gone by time the 2 end time prophets come

 

[Praus]

This one was not pointed at you.

Terribly sorry, my mistake. Please continue pointing ....

 

[Praus]

Already quoted above is this statement, "The teachings or religious leaders have opened the door to infidelity, to spiritualism, and to contempt of God's holy law; and upon these leaders rests a fearful responsibility for the iniquity that exists in the 'Christian' world." Great Controversy, 587.

Now there immediately follows this word, "Yet this very class put forth the claim that the fast spreading corruption is largely attributable to the desecration of the so-called 'Christian sabbath,' and that the enforcement of Sunday would greatly improve the morality of society." Great Controversy, 587.

E.G. White teaches that salvation is dependent on Satan bearing the sins of mankind.

1 Peter 2:24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. (ESV)

Since Satan is the originator of sin, the direct instigator of all the sins that caused the death of the Son of God, justice demands that Satan shall suffer the final punishment. Christ’s work for the redemption of men and the purification of the universe from sin will be closed by the removal of sin from the heavenly sanctuary and the placing of these sins upon Satan, who will bear the final penalty. E.G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets.

Ellen G. White Writings

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Part 3 (Last Day Events)

So there we have before us fact number one. The setting up of the enforcement of the Sunday law as the will of the leading and by then united churches on a national scale in the United States of America first, is the setting up of the image of the beast. But what takes place in the United States first is followed by every other country on the face of the globe. This is evident from the fact that the message of warning against the beast and his image as contained in Revelation 14:6-12 is a warning that is sent to "every nation, kindred, tongue and people."

"As America, the land of religious liberty, shall unite with the Papacy in forcing the conscience and compelling men to honour the false sabbath, the people of every country of the globe will be led to follow her example."

"Foreign nations will follow the example of the United States. Though she leads out, yet the same crisis will come upon our people in all parts of the world." Testimonies, Vol.6, pp.18,395.

It is no wonder that this is a significant event and one that is fraught with fearful consequences. It is the great point of no return. Once that step is taken then the powers of this earth will have gone too far to return and their destruction is certified. But there is more yet to be learned about this event, for by it the device of Satan will be perfected.

For a long time the devil has been working to bring the whole world under his complete control and to unite it into one vast army of confederated opposition against the people and the truth of God.

Now at last his device is perfected and he is ready for the last great battle of the ages. Note how clearly this fact of the perfecting of his device is stated in the following quotation:

"When the legislature frames laws which exalt the first day of the week, and put it in the place of the seventh day, THE DEVICE OF SATAN WILL BE PERFECTED." E.G. White, Review & Herald, April 15, 1890.

Inasmuch as the whole object of the devil from the very beginning has been to make of none effect the law of God,(Great Controversy,582) then it follows that if the device of Satan has been perfected at this time, then The law of God is also made void.

And so it proves to be as these statements show.

"A time is coming when the law of God is, in a SPECIAL SENSE, to be MADE VOID IN OUR LAND. The rulers of our nation will, by legislative enactments, enforce the Sunday law, and thus God's people will be brought into great peril. When our nation in its legislative assemblies, shall enact laws to bind the consciences of man in regard to their religious privileges, enforcing Sunday observance, and bringing oppressive power to bear against those who keep the Seventh day Sabbath, the law of God will, to all intents and purposes, be made void in the land; and NATIONAL APOSTASY will be followed by NATIONAL RUIN." Review and Herald, Dec.18,1888.

Very naturally this will bring a great test for the people of God.

"The Lord has shown me clearly that the image of the beast will be formed before probation closes: for it is to be the great test for the people of God by which their eternal destiny will be decided... (Rev.13:11-17 quoted here)... This is the GREAT TEST that the people of God must have BEFORE they are sealed (second and final seal). All who prove their loyalty to God by observing His law, and refusing to accept a spurious sabbath, will rank under the banner of the Lord God Jehovah and will receive the seal of the living God. Those who yield the truth of divine origin, and accept the Sunday sabbath, will receive the mark of the beast." E.G. White, Bible Commentary, Vol.7, p. 976.

Finally we will notice that this event marks the signal to flee from the cities.

"As the siege of Jerusalem by the Roman armies was the SIGNAL for flight to the Judean Christians, so the assumption of power on the part of our nation in the decree enforcing the PAPAL SABBATH will be a WARNING to us. It will then be TIME to LEAVE the large cities, preparatory to leaving the smaller ones for retired homes in secluded places among the mountains." 5 Testimonies, 464,465.

And now without advancing the evidences, we will state here that this is also the time for the complete spiritual fall of Babylon the Great and the beginning of the loud cry to the world.

there is not a single quotation of scripture in this post...but several quotations of ellen white...

can we finally put to rest the lie that adventists derive their teachings from scripture and not from ellen white?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

We are fortunate that already such an outworking has taken place as we have already seen from the words of The Great Controversy, 443,444, the development of the Beast before it. There we read, "It was apostasy that led the early church to seek the aid of the civil government, and this prepared the way for the development of the papacy, the beast of Rev.13:1-10. So apostasy in the church will prepare the way for the Image of the Beast."

The word "so" means, "in just the same way." This then is but to say that as the apostasy in the early church led to the rise of the papacy, so, in exactly the same way, apostasy in the modern church will lead to the rise of the Image of the Beast. This is the very thing that is happening and is in fact well advanced to the full outworking of the evil thing that it is.

and here is another example of an adventist quoting ellen white as if her writings were practically scripture and deriving doctrine solely from her writings...

but at least an adventist has finally decided to be honest and indicate for us where they are getting all of their doctrines from...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

I think we're getting the basic difference between Christians and Adventists. Christians understand Paul.

oh the difference is even bigger than that...

christians largely understand scripture because they have the holy spirit...
adventists consistently misunderstand scripture because they have a spirit of confusion...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

But when came the added light of the Advent message in 1844, and as has been noted already, the churches led out in a rejection of that message.

yes the christian church rejected the 'advent message' because it is heresy and unrepented false prophecy...

 

[adventbeliever]

Part 11 (LAST DAY EVENTS)

This crisis will force the churches to the point where they will have to have the Image set up in their behalf or they themselves will cease to exist. It will be a matter of their own survival. So serious will the situation have become, so desperate the plight to which the world will have come, that something will have to be done to meet the situation.

On every hand the church will see faith in her institutions and her authority fading away. Conscious of the fact that they are powerless to reach and hold the people, conscious of the fact that they cannot stem the rising tide of evil, the churches will be forced to seek power where it can be found. They must find some other power and they will. The only other power that is available is the power of force, the means whereby a man is compelled to do that which it is not in him do do.

But such power is vested, not in the church, but in the state. It is not the way of God to force anyone to do anything. God desires only willing and cheerful obedience. He looks for a people who are willing to be made willing by trusting wholly in the merits of the blood of a crucified and risen Savior.

But the power of the state is such that it can obtain obedience to its laws only by force. It has no other means. Therefore, when the church has lost the power of God, the power to appeal to the heart of man, and needs the power of force, then she will go to the State and obtain from it the power which it has, the power of force, and, when she has obtained that, then she will have set up the image of the beast. But such a situation will not have arrived in a moment. It will be the culmination of a long process followed by the consequent inroads of immorality, vice, spiritualism, violence, rebellion, and such like.

If they were but to see that this is the outworking of their own mischievous course of action, that one wrong action leads to another and then another until the matter reaches crisis proportions and a desperate church calls in the power of the State to do that which she is powerless to do.

This is the procedure, long and remorseless, which leads up to the Image of the Beast.

 

[zone]

can anyone help me out on a question:

since i have apparently already taken the mark of the beast by going to church on sundays, does this theory claim that anyone who has taken the mark can be saved?

because the bible i read said no.

or...are we still waiting for International Sunday Worship Law Enforcement mark thingee to happen.
i guess what i'm wondering is - have most of us actually got the Sunday Mark yet or not?

if we have, there's no heaven AT ALL for those who receive the mark, so i don't know why the SDAs and judaizers are bothering.
you can't undo the mark, can you?
or can you?

didn't Tim LaHaye say you can? or that's just the people who get Left Behind, kinda?

maybe i got my stories mixed up.

is it the Pope chasing Kirk Cameron around
or Islam
i never did watch any of those.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Oh lol - you should probably study Galatians 3: 19-20

Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one

Notice it was "added" - for a time, "until" - Jesus the Promise
a negative, temporal law, and a mediated origin of the law

It was not even part of God's original redeeming work - Are we not Abraham's seed? Did Abraham have the law? Was he not considered righteous?

 

[adventbeliever]

I am sure it has already been made clear that nobody has that mark yet.