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AgeofKnowledge

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Sadly, most of them were brainwashed from a young age to believe the cultic error and it was their own parents who instilled the fear of damnation in them if they didn't follow the error.

Paul struggled to prevent it in the early church whenever he saw the backsliding toward the old covenant legalism begin. The Galatian believers engaged in the same sort of false rhetoric we see some engaging in here and Paul had to rebuke them for it.

Their rhetoric was actually negating the essence of the gospel. First Paul rebuked the Galatians for their desertion in invoking the old covenant Mosaic law; then he blames the confusion in the church squarely on those who perverted the gospel; and finally he pronounced a solemn condemnation of all who tamper with the truth of the gospel in this way.

Galatians 1 Commentary - Rebuke for Desertion - BibleGateway.com

I am certain nothing we say to these neo-judaizers will have any effect. They remain convinced they have the truth and even if you post a scripture contrary to their legalistic beliefs, they will ignore it. They need the Holy Spirit to remove the scales from their eyes.

I just don't see any point to speaking them except to correct any error which they may spread to the weaker in the faith.
 
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It's not disrespectful toward Jason Lisle to point out that his formal education is in astronomy and physics (good fields to be sure); however, he is not a formally trained theologian. But Jason is right that Jesus never set aside God's morality (e.g. God's moral law) which reflects God's character. In fact, God's morality is supernaturally written on the hearts of all genuine spiritually reborn Christians by none other than God.

Charles Spurgeon puts it like this:

"The fact is, that the covenant of works, if it be looked upon as a way of safety, is a total failure. No man ever persevered in it unto the end, and no man ever attained unto life by keeping it. Nor can we, now that we are fallen, ever hope to be better than our unfallen covenant-head, Adam; nor may we, who are already lost and condemned by our sinful works, dream for a moment that we shall be able to save ourselves by our works.

You see, dear friends, the firstcovenant was in these terms,—"You do right, and God will reward you for it. If you deserve life, God will give it to you." Now, as you all know right well, that covenant was broken all to pieces; it was unable to stand by reason of the weakness of our flesh and the corruptness of our nature. So God set asidethat first covenant, he put it away as an outworn and useless thing; and he brought in a new covenant,—the covenant of grace; and in our text we see what is the tenor of it: 'I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts' (Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 11:27, etc...)."

This is why we see Paul claim to have letters of recommendation not written with ink on tablets of stone but rather with the Spirit of the living God on the tablets of the human heart (2 Cor 3:2–3). Paul purposely mixed his metaphors in order to echo the prophetic passages dealing with the new covenant, in which God would replace his people’s “heart of stone” with a “heart of flesh,” put his Spirit in them (Ezek 36:26–27), and write his Law “on [their] hearts” (Jer 31:33). Thus, in 2 Corinthians 3:6 Paul claims to be a minister of a new covenant, not like the old, written covenant which “killed” by properly bringing the covenant’s curses down upon disobedient Israel, but like the covenant which Jeremiah predicted would at some future time bring forgiveness for sin and a renewed ability to know and to obey God.

As 'The Dictionary of Paul and His Letters' states:

"The Mosaic code viewed from the standpoint of its historical role in justly condemning God’s people for their sin, Paul says, has been abolished. For Paul, therefore, it is impossible to say that the Mosaic Law, minus a few cultic and ethnic regulations, is still in force. To the contrary, since the Mosaic Law was inextricably bound to a period of time in which the boundaries of God’s people were virtually identical with the boundaries of the Jewish people and to a time in which God’s people labored under a justly pronounced sentence of condemnation, it has come to its divinely appointed end (see esp. 2 Cor 3:13)."

Paul clearly states that to elevate “works of the Law” such as Sabbath keeping to the level of a requirement for living in a harmonious covenant relationship with God is to place such a relationship outside anyone’s reach, whether Jew or Gentile, because the human inclination to disobey God prevents “any flesh” from obeying the Law completely (Gal 2:16) and unless you obey the law completely you have violated all of it (James 2:10).

The second reason that “works of the Law” cannot place one within this harmonious covenant relationship with God is that the covenant of which these works are part was temporary. Unlike the promise made to Abraham, which constituted a permanent covenant fulfilled in Christ (Gal 3:15–18), the Sinaitic covenant was established “on account of transgressions.”

By this last phrase Paul means that God gave the Law at Sinai in order to reveal clearly Israel’s sin, to transform it from something ill defined and unfinished into specific transgressions against God’s will. From Galatians 4:1–5:1 Paul uses a series of metaphors to argue that those who want to live under the yoke of the covenant at Sinai, such as Sabbath keeping, are turning the clock back to an era in which both Gentile and Jew were enslaved to sin.

Playing Sabbath keeper each weekend won't get you to heaven but actually reveals you've missed the point of why Christ came and that's why Paul says in Galatians 5:14 that “the whole Law is fulfilled in one phrase, namely, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself,’” and in Galatians 6:2 he encourages them to bear each others’ burdens “for thereby you will fulfill the law of Christ.”

Paul makes it clear that with Christ's death and resurrection sinners are now declared righteous, not on the basis of their merits in keeping the old covenant Mosaic Sabbath law, but rather on the basis of their standing "in Christ": "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus" (Rom 8:1 RSV; cf. Rom 3:21–31; Gal 3:11; Eph 2:8–9).

Simply put; Matthew 5:17–18, the witness of the Gospels, the earliest Christian preaching, etc... clearly reveal that Jesus “fulfilled the law” in his life, death and resurrection. He is declared as the fulfillment of Scripture. In him, the purposes of God are accomplished.

This general conviction is undergirded by the authoritative, sovereign way in which Jesus deals with specific and limiting dimensions of the law and sets his mission on a level of significance above the law. Thus, laws of separation between clean and unclean, of ceremonial defilement, of sabbath observance are set aside in the pursuit of his ministry to sinners and ritually (ceremonially) “unclean” persons. “For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John,” he said (Mt 11:13; Lk 16:16), indicating that a new reality, the messianic kingship, had entered the scene and was replacing the old order (Mk 1:15).

We now obey the moral law of God (e.g. God's morality), "in Christ" as Paul states so eloquently in Romans and elsewhere "No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God" (Romans 2:29).

The classic text is the epistle to the Galatians, written to dissuade Christian converts from succumbing to the attempts of Judaizers to get them to adhere again to the OT ceremonial law as a necessary part of salvation. "For freedom Christ has set us free," writes Paul; "stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery" (Gal 5:1 RSV). Christ was "born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law" (Gal 4:4–5). To "rely on works of the law" for salvation is to be "under a curse" (3:10). Similarly, to place oneself under the OT law is "slavery," while choosing "the Jerusalem above is free" (Gal 4:24–25 RSV).


 
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Sadly, most of them were brainwashed from a young age to believe the cultic error and it was their own parents who instilled the fear of damnation in them if they didn't follow the error.

Paul struggled to prevent it in the early church whenever he saw the backsliding toward the old covenant legalism begin. The Galatian believers engaged in the same sort of false rhetoric we see some engaging in here and Paul had to rebuke them for it.

Their rhetoric was actually negating the essence of the gospel. First Paul rebuked the Galatians for their desertion in invoking the old covenant Mosaic law; then he blames the confusion in the church squarely on those who perverted the gospel; and finally he pronounced a solemn condemnation of all who tamper with the truth of the gospel in this way.

Galatians 1 Commentary - Rebuke for Desertion - BibleGateway.com
Yes, I agree. Legalism is a perversion of the gospel. You can not add works of any kind to the completed work of Christ.

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; Eph. 2:8
 

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Sadly, most of them were brainwashed from a young age to believe the cultic error and it was their own parents who instilled the fear of damnation in them if they didn't follow the error.

Paul struggled to prevent it in the early church whenever he saw the backsliding toward the old covenant legalism begin. The Galatian believers engaged in the same sort of false rhetoric we see some engaging in here and Paul had to rebuke them for it.

Their rhetoric was actually negating the essence of the gospel. First Paul rebuked the Galatians for their desertion in invoking the old covenant Mosaic law; then he blames the confusion in the church squarely on those who perverted the gospel; and finally he pronounced a solemn condemnation of all who tamper with the truth of the gospel in this way.

Galatians 1 Commentary - Rebuke for Desertion - BibleGateway.com
Yeah, Paul even rebuked Peter to His face publicly in for allowing it to happen.

[h=3]Galatians 2:11-21[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]No Return to the Law[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]Now when Peter[SUP][/SUP] had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;
 
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Sadly, most of them were brainwashed from a young age to believe the cultic error and it was their own parents who instilled the fear of damnation in them if they didn't follow the error.

Paul struggled to prevent it in the early church whenever he saw the backsliding toward the old covenant legalism begin. The Galatian believers engaged in the same sort of false rhetoric we see some engaging in here and Paul had to rebuke them for it.

Their rhetoric was actually negating the essence of the gospel. First Paul rebuked the Galatians for their desertion in invoking the old covenant Mosaic law; then he blames the confusion in the church squarely on those who perverted the gospel; and finally he pronounced a solemn condemnation of all who tamper with the truth of the gospel in this way.

Galatians 1 Commentary - Rebuke for Desertion - BibleGateway.com
I believed as you did, or I was brainwashed as you are until my late 20s when I learned about scriptures in a way that brought them all together so that they made perfect sense. Again, I was not raised on anything else but what you teach. Now I know what true brain-washing is. It's the modern Christian world believing all that's been taught to them by what you continually brag about, the doctrinal education you use have received, and hence, base your false teachings upon. I understand the essence of scripture by way of the Holy Spirit not by way of indoctrination the modern day Christian world regularly receives which distorts the very words of Christ Himself to the point they are entirely nullified, that is to say, if truth did not have a life of its own as ordained by God. You continually use your studies of the interpretations and doctrines of men to substantiate all you false doctrines upon; I use only the words of Christ Himself.
 
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Oh, by the way, I'm an annihilationist. I find it profoundly telling that those that teach we no longer need to keep God's law also teach that God sends us to hell where we remain in conscious torment forever and ever, in essence, a never-ending torture chamber. I keep God's laws because He told me too, because He has saved me from hopelessness and He's promised to give me Himself, in essence, meaning eternal life with HIM. That's my reward, to be with that ONE I love forever. I do nothing in fear of eternal torment because I don't believe in it. Again, I do what I do out of love for my Lord, my King, and my God.
 
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I believed as you did, or I was brainwashed as you are until my late 20s when I learned about scriptures in a way that brought them all together so that they made perfect sense. Again, I was not raised on anything else but what you teach. Now I know what true brain-washing is. It's the modern Christian world believing all that's been taught to them by what you continually brag about, the doctrinal education you use to base your false teachings upon. I understand the essence of scripture by way of the Holy Spirit not by way of indoctrination the modern day Christian world regularly receives which distorts the very words of Christ Himself to the point they are nullified completely by you and those you spew your false doctrines to. You continually use your studies of the interpretations and doctrines of men to substantiate you false doctrines; I use only the words of Christ Himself.
The words of Christ Himself, without Paul's interpretation or anyone else's: no Sabbath for Christians. We can look at the Greek if the KJV translation is an issue.

Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?


26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?


27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.


28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
 
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The words of Christ Himself, without Paul's interpretation or anyone else's: no Sabbath for Christians. We can look at the Greek if the KJV translation is an issue.

Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?


26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?


27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.


28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Matthew 19:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
 
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Matthew 19:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

UMMM Aren't you leaving out the rest of the passage which goes like this?

Matthew 19

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
 
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UMMM Aren't you leaving out the rest of the passage which goes like this?

Matthew 19

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
*[[1Jn 2:4]] KJV* He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 
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The mark of the beast? Maybe it's not something yet to come. Maybe it's been here for quite awhile and is only now being recognized.
 
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I am a catholic, and just wanted to note that, the mark of the beast on your HAND and on your HEAD could mean works of the beast in your actions and in your intentions, and maybe the false praise is saying god bless when you really aren't open to any other interpretation other than your own. jesus said if your brother fell into a well on the Sabbath would you not immediately get him out? hes talking about doing whats righteous, because human beings can turn law into something completely different than it was intended for. if you say "he didn't say brother" then maybe you completely missed the point. he also said why worry about tomorrow when you cant even help yourselves today. pursue what love and truth mean and be open to the humility that comes if you find you might be wrong. I know im wrong about stuff every day of my life and i hope you can consider that maybe im not a demon that's going to hell because i praise god on sunday. i also venerate his sacred heart on Friday with my family too and i don't really think its too evil. god works in wonderful unique ways, but satan also works in unique ways to diswade people from the truth of god and the purity of his love. peace with your heart and maybe we can pray for eachother :) peace with your spirit
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Matthew 19:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
God bless you brother. Matt 19:16-19 is exactly correct.

By the way, generally red letter is used to show Jesus's words, not for our own emphasis. It would be more clear if you chose another color.

Matt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Following Jesus, that's not easy. When He comes for you, you'll know.

John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

John 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

John 21:19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.

 
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I am a catholic, and just wanted to note that, the mark of the beast on your HAND and on your HEAD could mean works of the beast in your actions and in your intentions, and maybe the false praise is saying god bless when you really aren't open to any other interpretation other than your own. jesus said if your brother fell into a well on the Sabbath would you not immediately get him out? hes talking about doing whats righteous, because human beings can turn law into something completely different than it was intended for. if you say "he didn't say brother" then maybe you completely missed the point. he also said why worry about tomorrow when you cant even help yourselves today. pursue what love and truth mean and be open to the humility that comes if you find you might be wrong. I know im wrong about stuff every day of my life and i hope you can consider that maybe im not a demon that's going to hell because i praise god on sunday. i also venerate his sacred heart on Friday with my family too and i don't really think its too evil. god works in wonderful unique ways, but satan also works in unique ways to diswade people from the truth of god and the purity of his love. peace with your heart and maybe we can pray for eachother :) peace with your spirit
sincerely,
no servant greater than his master
I agree with what you stated (in bold).

The Mark of God is the opposite of the Mark of the Beast.

Deu 11:18Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

Luk 10:27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.


The word for "forehead" in the Greek is "metapon" and it literally means "with an eye."

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

The Mark (charagma) has to do with whom we serve whether it is God or fleshly passions. Men who live for the flesh are beasts and hence have taken the mark of the beast. Men who live for God have crucified their beast and thus walk according to the Spirit of God.
 
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The words of Christ Himself, without Paul's interpretation or anyone else's: no Sabbath for Christians. We can look at the Greek if the KJV translation is an issue.

Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?


26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?


27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.


28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
To assume that the fellow listing a few commandments in reply to Jesus' question as to what was written in the law suddenly nullified all commandments not mentioned by this fellow is a preposterous assertion.

You find me where Christ said any one of the 10 commandments is no longer to be kept, I'll pay attention.
 
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It's not amazing how you came to exactly the wrong conclusions. It's obvious. You have misconstrued the meaning of the words that were spoken and built a wrong theology around your misunderstanding.

Like I said before, the reason for that is because you are very ignorant of the historical, cultural, language, etc... context of the translated words. You've misinterpreted the words and then strung the misinterpretations together into the theology of Shiloah rather than the theology of God. In order to really understand the latter, you have to know the particulars.

It's really that simple. The rest of your post here is nonsensical rambling about how you have special knowledge from God and every other genuine Christian that actually studies the history, culture, and language of Jesus's day and time when He spoke the words doesn't.

Denial is more than the river in Egypt you're swimming in.

I believed as you did, or I was brainwashed as you are until my late 20s when I learned about scriptures in a way that brought them all together so that they made perfect sense. Again, I was not raised on anything else but what you teach. Now I know what true brain-washing is. It's the modern Christian world believing all that's been taught to them by what you continually brag about, the doctrinal education you use have received, and hence, base your false teachings upon. I understand the essence of scripture by way of the Holy Spirit not by way of indoctrination the modern day Christian world regularly receives which distorts the very words of Christ Himself to the point they are entirely nullified, that is to say, if truth did not have a life of its own as ordained by God. You continually use your studies of the interpretations and doctrines of men to substantiate all you false doctrines upon; I use only the words of Christ Himself.
 
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Matthew 19:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

There's another scripture, Lao, I don't see how anyone can argue with on any basis. Endless miles of rhetoric covering every man-made doctrine in this world can't change what's written there.
 
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But of course you are. Annihilationism features prominently in Christian cults like SDA, JV, Church of God, etc... ;). If you would like correction you on that false unscriptural theology, just keep talking about it.



Oh, by the way, I'm an annihilationist.
 
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Shiloah

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But of course you are. Annihilationism features prominently in Christian cults like SDA, JV, Church of God, etc... ;). If you would like correction you on that false unscriptural theology, just keep talking about it.
There you go! Hahahaha! Your entire belief system is clearly and entirely bogus based on lies alone. I would have been worried about myself if you hadn't said that.

I have studied this for myself. Why would I listen to any correction given by you when all I've seen posted by you thus far are misinterpretations of scripture? No, I don't listen to false teachers, but I mean AFTER I've carefully examined their beliefs by way of prayerful and extensive study of the scriptures.
 
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Shiloah

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The modern Christian world has so many bogus doctrines taught to them by men like you "AgeOfKnowledge." Your very name gives away your pretentiousness. The Prodestant world is little to no better than the Catholic world is nowadays. Most of their doctrines are based on a misunderstanding of scriptures. You're a perfect example of that which I speak. Cults can be small or they can involve the entire Christian world.