The Liberty that is in Christ

[RedTent]

Grandpa, to read scripture by tearing every word apart to see how many meanings are in each scripture is to take God out of scripture. God is I AM. God is eternal. God is the same in Genesis and in Revelation and all between. So as God shows us who He is and what His principles are in one book, it has to stay the same all through or we are misinterpreting it.

Now God's first attribute is to love us and want us all to live with Him forever, and we can't do that and keep sin in our lives. So God sent His Son to free us through offering forgiveness and clean us from that sin. That is the freedom from sin that you are going on about and so is scripture.

That does not cancel out all the ways that we are to handle sin. That was set up at creation, it stays the same.

 

[Share55]

A great post of which I have said in different forms in other discussion boards. I always smile when I think of it because I was having a conversation with God one night and thinking on my 6 sons and their walk with God so I prayed that they would walk in His righteousness. Well as it would be my sons got into all kinds of troubles. LoL I thought to myself 'what is going on here?' as even the most well behaved ones were getting into trouble. Ha-ha! A good way to find out what God means is by experience. Now I pray that my sons will find and trust in God as I do and have mercy on my grandchildren.

 

[Share55]

Grandpa, to read scripture by tearing every word apart to see how many meanings are in each scripture is to take God out of scripture. God is I AM. God is eternal. God is the same in Genesis and in Revelation and all between. So as God shows us who He is and what His principles are in one book, it has to stay the same all through or we are misinterpreting it.

Now God's first attribute is to love us and want us all to live with Him forever, and we can't do that and keep sin in our lives. So God sent His Son to free us through offering forgiveness and clean us from that sin. That is the freedom from sin that you are going on about and so is scripture.

That does not cancel out all the ways that we are to handle sin. That was set up at creation, it stays the same.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held ; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid . Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said , Thou shalt not covet . 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came , sin revived , and I died . 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid . But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would , that do I not; but what I hate , that do I .
Colossians 3:55 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

1 Thessalonians 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified . 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth , despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

I don't believe that the way to handle sin by grampa's post is to allow sinfulness but to understand that none of us are perfectly sinless and I would like to point out that the shepherd seek the sheep but God is the one who saves, we plant the seed and God gives the increase, we know what sinfulness is but God gives the grace.
It took me forever to understand what 'concupiscence' meant as I googled it searched all the dictionaries (which I thought were all wrong including wikipedia) and God gave me a living example For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God so what is God's glory and if we all sin then are we then saying that none of us are saved. Someone asked me that before and I couldn't answer so whoever it was I do hope they ask again because now I can answer (Oh happy day to be so blessed)

 

[Grandpa]

Grandpa, to read scripture by tearing every word apart to see how many meanings are in each scripture is to take God out of scripture. God is I AM. God is eternal. God is the same in Genesis and in Revelation and all between. So as God shows us who He is and what His principles are in one book, it has to stay the same all through or we are misinterpreting it. .

Are you saying that the clear meaning and intent of scripture is not really clear?

Now God's first attribute is to love us and want us all to live with Him forever, and we can't do that and keep sin in our lives. So God sent His Son to free us through offering forgiveness and clean us from that sin. That is the freedom from sin that you are going on about and so is scripture.

Freedom from sin is a big deal. I'm trying to show that. That's why I was trying to explain each verse.

That does not cancel out all the ways that we are to handle sin. That was set up at creation, it stays the same.

We're not to handle sin. The Lord Jesus Christ handles it. That's the whole reason why we have this Liberty that is in Christ. So apparently something did change.

Although it was pre-ordained from the foundation of the world. It wasn't finished until the Lord said so.

 

[Grandpa]

Verse 9
A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

What is this leaven? The Lord Jesus warns against it.

Matthew 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

This is working at the law in your own power, relying on your own intellect and knowledge. Thinking that your own work somehow makes you righteous before God. Deserving of His Grace and Forgiveness. This is not obedience. It just seems that way to other men (and women) of the flesh. The doctrine of the shadow of what was to come.

Apparently this can be "contagious", this doctrine of the pharisees. Working at the law and thinking this makes you obedient to God and more holy and righteous than others.

What is the "cure" to this "contagion"? Verse 1. Stand fast in the Liberty wherewith Christ has made us free. Do not be entangled AGAIN in the yoke of bondage.

 

[Grandpa]

Verse 10
I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

I know that the Lord Jesus has you in His Hands. If you go back to working at the law, if you are entangled again in that yoke of bondage, I know it will bring you back to the knowledge of what the Lord has already done for you. The schoolmaster, that yoke of bondage, is designed to bring you right to the Lord Jesus.

The person or persons who are trying to bring you back under that yoke of bondage will bear their judgement.

 

[Grandpa]

Verse 11
[SUP] [/SUP]And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

If Paul preached the ways of the jews, the shadow, why was he still persecuted? If he preached the way of the jews then the cross would no longer be an offense to workers of the Law.

Paul was persecuted precisely because he preached of the Liberty that is in Christ. The pharisee, the jew, doesn't like it at all. The pharisee is wanting to point you back to the yoke of bondage, because he doesn't know anything else. The pharisee doesn't want you to have liberty. The pharisee wants everyone to work at the law exactly the way they do. That way they are all in the shadow boasting of their own works before men and they don't have to mention the Great Light that has come to the World.

 

[homwardbound]

What is the Liberty in Christ that has made us Free? What are we free from?

Galatians 5:1-26
[SUP]1[/SUP]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


This is from the Apostle Paul and it is important. Paul was a Pharisee of Pharisees. He knew as much or more about the Jewish ways than anyone else.

Thanks Grandpa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Grandpa]

Verse 12
[SUP] [/SUP]I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

Me too. Either come to Christ or don't. But those that are coming to Christ let them. Don't put them on a side track and try to keep them there.

 

[homwardbound]

Verse 6
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Its not the way of the Jews, or the way of the Greeks. Its not by the NT or OT. Its by faith which worketh by love.

Not our faith or our love. His Love and His Faith that He freely gives to us.

Therefore we quit being creators and become responders to God's love not our own or anyone else's
Thanks Grandpa

 

[Grandpa]

Verse 13
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another

The Lord has saved us from sin and the consequences of breaking His Law. Don't use this freedom to go back to reveling in the flesh. Use this liberty to love others. Show others the Love that is in Christ Jesus, the Love that He has Shown You.

 

[homwardbound]

Heya Grandpa, good to see you create a post!!! First thing I thought of you post was this:

1 Corinthians 9:19-23
Paul’s Use of His Freedom

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. [SUP]20 [/SUP]To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. [SUP]21 [/SUP]To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. [SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. [SUP]23 [/SUP]I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

This isn't to be mistaken as a freedom to sin, but it does give us liberty to join the things of the world to evangelize to world. And that's not to say that the things of the world are our passion, it isn't, Christ is! Example, I feel I have the freedom to enter into a bar and have a beer, but not to exceed the limit in where I'd become drunk, and perhaps the Lord would open a door for me to express the the gospel. However, I would have the freedom to enter a strip joint, but would I be strong enough not to let that environment lead me into sin, I think NOT! Thus I wouldn't dare enter a strip joint. May every man/woman enter or become whatever, whenever for the gospel's sake with a clear conscience and the Lord's guidance.

Yep, he preached where and to who? we are to do the same yes? but only as led by that same Holy Ghost that upon him, thet Christ delivered to us that believe and are set free at rest in God by and through belief in God's finished sacrifice, and then God's resurrected life of his son given to us all by God a free gift, to bring in the sheep only by God's Spirit can this actually be done. Thanks bookends

 

[Grandpa]

Therefore we quit being creators and become responders to God's love not our own or anyone else's
Thanks Grandpa

Yeah. We can quit worrying about our own selves. The Lord has us covered. We are free to help others by showing them the Help that we received.

 

[homwardbound]

If the Son has set you free... you are free, indeed!

Great thread.

If you do not believe he did by the cross the whole cross which includes the resurrection, then one is not free and is still working it out in the energy of their own flesh, and one day will give up and see the bornagain issue from God given by God and thus what you posted is truth

 

[Grandpa]

Thanks Grandpa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paul says it so well, doesnt he? There doesn't seem to be a need to expound, it seems quite clear. But maybe not to everyone...

 

[Bookends]

I would only add...if our freedom to go into a bar causes a WEAKER brother to stumble then we ought to be restraint in that freedom.

AMEN!! I agree.

 

[homwardbound]

I would only add...if our freedom to go into a bar causes a WEAKER brother to stumble then we ought to be restraint in that freedom.

This freedom is only being led by God through The Holy Ghost, the same Holy Ghost that was upon Christ.
I have been there and am an ex-alcoholic, by God's doling not mine, and God did what God did as I was very surprised over it.
The next day was Sunday and being at Bible study in the morning before service. What do you think came up?
Yep how we are not to be in a bar and how that does not look good. I am hearing this and already saw what God did through me as God's vessel, and understood something form God. That had I been all religious and stayed away from that bar, then that man that chose to walk out and put down the drink, would have probably carried on further in the Alcoholism that he had left before his Dad that had recently died.
This is when I started to understand how much more important it is to be led by God and not man's look at me attitude that is produced by religion.
It showed me God is not religious, since the true meaning of religion, Archaic, is what am I doing to get a deity to respond to me
When I am not the creator, I am the creation, therefore I gave up my God-hood in trying to do what is right and get others to respond to me by what I was doing and this included God
So today for me it is wiser to respond to God, rather than man's traditions and will worshiping disguised as serving the one and only true God of Christ Jesus.

 

[homwardbound]

free from ourselves becuase the root of all sin is selfishness

Therefore let us consider by the death of Christ our belief in Christ is our death as well, then translated to the new life as stated in
[h=3]Romans 6:4[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

 

[homwardbound]

Grandpa, to read scripture by tearing every word apart to see how many meanings are in each scripture is to take God out of scripture. God is I AM. God is eternal. God is the same in Genesis and in Revelation and all between. So as God shows us who He is and what His principles are in one book, it has to stay the same all through or we are misinterpreting it.

Now God's first attribute is to love us and want us all to live with Him forever, and we can't do that and keep sin in our lives. So God sent His Son to free us through offering forgiveness and clean us from that sin. That is the freedom from sin that you are going on about and so is scripture.

That does not cancel out all the ways that we are to handle sin. That was set up at creation, it stays the same.

Redtent, love you Sister, you might be misinterpreting something here, not sure. But I thin you know as well as I do, that God gets all the credit, therefore that is what is and has been posted here, our liberty in the Spirit of God, by god's type of love that lives through us as we grow unto and into God's maturity, where Love goes on forever
All this in Love to you

 

[Grandpa]

Verse 14
[SUP] [/SUP]For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Don't be confused by the pharisees. Keep it simple. Abide in Christ and in His Love and this fruit will be grown in your life to be a blessing for others, and for you.