Christian discernment on real conspiracy, corruption, greed, agendas, etc.

[RickShafer]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

O.K., how's this?
If some people realize from a young age that certain answers got them recognized, and lauded and accepted as 'good',
and these same types went through school and college using their brains to say and perform what was acceptable to the local constituencies that surrounded them.
And they ended up being in a place of great power because of it, because of their acquiescence to the perceived norms of the day.
Would that make them culpable of being a part of some grand conspiracy?
Or were they just doing what was right for them?

In other words, if a person stands for the perceived social norms without a moral anchor of their own; would they be righteous?
Or, depending on the polls, would they be like a feather in the wind?
What would make these types of souls do what was right?
In their view, righteousness is in the public eye that beholds them.
How is this different than a sociopath?
Who needs a conspiracy if groups of people who think like this are congregated at the highest echelons of power?
If they have been taught there is no final judge(creator), and therefore no recourse for their actions, what is stopping the best at portraying a form of righteousness from becoming our leaders?
It is not so much a conspiracy then is it?

 

[zone]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

Yes, the Monsanto stuff is becoming clearer to me from events spread out over a span of several years. They even stopped Fox News from doing an honest story on them (about the milk) and got Fox to fire the reporters who were trying to be honest and expose it. And now congress passes a law about protecting GMO companies, that's really from Monsanto, which was secretly and anonymously inserted into a package of unrelated laws, and which the news has said the congressmen didn't even know it was there when they voted to pass the whole package.

And the IRS -- yes, conspiring against Christians and conservatives to cut off all their funding (and even give confidential info to their rivals) to ensure that Obama and the liberal agenda prevail in the re-election. And who knows how high up that conspiracy and corruption went -- was it really just some naughty staff at one little IRS office far away from Washington??? Who benefited the most??

Am I judging? Or am I being discerning? Or am I just having common sense. (I'm not sure which.)

I guess the point is, even in the best democracy, with the best constitution, etc., corrupt human beings are capable of unlimited corruption, and will conspire in any way they can for their own gain and agendas, if they can possibly get by with it.

oh.....wow.

i had heard i secretly ran CC from behind the scenes but i thought it was just a CT.
'parently it's true

....

Robo the IRS is a private corporation; established with the Federal Reserve (another private corporation established illegally). the IRS is not a legitimate gov't agency...they are the collection agency for the boys who own all the stuff that sounds federal (gov't) but isn't.

"No State shall make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts."
Article 1, Section 10, united States' Constitution

"This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth....When the President signs this Act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized....The new law will create inflation whenever the trust wants inflation....From now on, depression will be scientifically created."
Congressman Charles Lindbergh

 

[zone]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

Conspiracy is just a word.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. - (Has something to do with original sin).
It could be said that Monsanto and other GMO(genetically modified food) organizations do it only for profit.
It is also plain to see that anything with the gene helix modified has long term detrimental effects on biological lifeforms.

Satan uses words that sound nice: like 'gay' for sodomy, 'monetary easing' for flooding the money supply and thus degrading the value of the formerly saved monetary units, and 'gene splicing' for what is actually gene blasting.
- To get the desired effect certain genes are shot into the helix, whatever else is lost out of the 3.4 billion perfectly ordered links in the genetic code chain is not important to the $ bottom line.
Mice fed GMO corn are sterile by the 3rd and 4rth generation.

Do the research.

and the big guys are all eugenicists.
they want us dead - but they wanna make money in the process.
they r krazy.

 

[zone]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

That is interesting, Rick!

I don't believe that Monsanto actually is conspiring to destroy the human race (and I don't think you're saying that either) -- they simply conspire to get rich at all costs, and apparently even "control" congress and the media to a great extent (simply for the purpose of raising their profit) -- but I can certainly see an even bigger and more detrimental spiritual conspiracy of Satan like you said (to steal, kill, and destroy), behind it. Thanks for that insight and food for thought.

when Monsanto has to create robotic / mechanical drone bees to pollenate their frankencrops, you know there something wrong.

Robotic Bees to Pollinate Monsanto Crops
Robotic Bees to Pollinate Monsanto Crops | Earth First! Newswire < click

traditional beekeepers have had their hives destroyed; confiscated and their queens killed by Monsanto goons.
as a guild they have gone underground (hiding their bees)

 

[RickShafer]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

and the big guys are all eugenicists.
they want us dead - but they wanna make money in the process.
they r krazy.

Well, they eat GMO free.
The totally insane thing is that all the european countries know about GMO.
They don't allow it unless it is plainly marked on the container.
It's almost as if the U.S. is so prostrate for unending profits that it has become a new "Atlantis' of total money driven madness.
The largest corporate sector in the U.S. is financial......money, moving and creating money.
Total madness.
Yet the everyman in America works hard.
It's a big country so they can handle whatever comes their way.
They don't know what already came.

But Jesus IS greater, and His purposes will be served no matter where His people are.

 

[zone]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

But this brings up an interesting question.
If a system can be made through people that engages each and every one of them for it's purposes.
Like a mind that is both congruous and seamless throughout the generations of mankind.
Sort of like a system of soullessness.......kind of like a beast system.

well, it's a little less complicated than that, maybe. though all unregenerate are followers of the prince of the power of the air....

Ephesians 2:2
You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil--the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God.

it's all coming from a relatively small group of intermarried families who have said in their own 'historiographies'/ancient planning:

Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time
Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time: Carroll Quigley: 9780945001102: Amazon.com: Books

that they must remain "wild" - maintaining their survival instincts and ability to control and manipulate the masses - the useless eaters - who had to be culled from time to time (through war; engineered depressions; and deliberate epidemics, etc).

they want the planet depopulated radically, keeping only workers and servants who will be authorized by them to travel, etc according to their approved vocations.

more recently, one of their front families - The Rockefellers have said depopulation isn't happening fast enough...they now need "rapid depopulation".

[video=youtube;k5LlplhtPPM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5LlplhtPPM[/video]
Rockefeller Eugenics Speech

everybody knows when people are educated and have a decent standard of living...population stabilizes or decreases.
but they don't want 3rd world countries industrializing or developing. the special families who must not eat the GM foods (they don't - they have totally separate food systems, all organic from us) say they must dumb down the herd, while remaining "wild" themselves (untampered with biologically, though they are happy to take organs from the poor to prolong their miserable lives)

"unrestrained economic growth poses threats to our environment"

what a joke.
these guys are the worst polluters and rank corrupters of everything good out there.

"sustainability" is a farce, and is just another buzz-word for depopulation.

 

[zone]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

Well, they eat GMO free.
The totally insane thing is that all the european countries know about GMO.
They don't allow it unless it is plainly marked on the container.
It's almost as if the U.S. is so prostrate for unending profits that it has become a new "Atlantis' of total money driven madness.
The largest corporate sector in the U.S. is financial......money, moving and creating money.
Total madness.
Yet the everyman in America works hard.
It's a big country so they can handle whatever comes their way.
They don't know what already came.

But Jesus IS greater, and His purposes will be served no matter where His people are.

GM foods not served in Monsanto cafeteria

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The Independent newspaper reports that there is a notice in the cafeteria of the Monsanto pharmaceutical factory is High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, advising customers “as far as practicable, GM soya and maize (has been removed) from all food products served in our restaurant. We have taken the steps to ensure that you, the customer, can feel confident in the food we serve.”

The notice was posted by the Sutcliffe Catering Group.

Monsanto confirms the authenticity of the notice, but company spokesman Tony Coombes says the only reason for the GM-free foods is because the company “believes in choice.” Coombes says in other Monsanto locations employees are happy to eat GM foods because they are “sprayed with fewer chemicals.”



LOLOLOLOL

 

[isaria]

I beleive there is definately a lot of this going on and its been proven and some media have written articles but most of the time they are probably threatened or/and paid not to publish the evidence.
Yes, there has been some things written about milk and water aswell as environments and energy etc.
Theres a form of brain wash and it was no secret they were mixing politics with an illusionist things are not always as they seem.
A whole people can be fooled.
Media, what teach in schools, rumours, druging water and yes there are chemicals that have astounding affects on humans like it or not and placed in water we drink voila

II fear the vatican now as I truly want it to be protected and praise pope his good work.
But this is another thing muslims write of and that is "inside attack" .That enemy can come from inside and take over and you see them as your brother, sister, friend, trust them and then when they in and all of them have taken power then bam bam betrayal and they take over the place.

Also happens in politics labour posing liberal spy and it happens in all places but that it happens to extent it does and with those one may trusted and known long time.

One may of chated someone on internet for years and that the clocest friend they have and they trust them and then they steal everything from them.(patient thief or what) (maybe lots to steal )


This is actually one thing muslims believe: that a ending will come and isa (jesus) will be fighting a bad man who will have so much power in the world by spreading lies and brain washing people.
It is said all that looks and even feels and appears perfect will in truth be evil and false and what appears not so good will be the pure and good.
Probably 90 % of people in world would be fooled by lies and brainwash and illusionists and theft of energies etc but jesus would have a sword and cut the illusion and people would see truth, but many would die and not be saved.
A man would be cut in half by sword and souls would be saved or lost.
It would be a big fight and even muslims would be fooled by this powerful tall man and his lies.
Infact most of the muslims would even be so tested that most of them would fail to stay pure of faith and would beleive the lies.
It writes it will be a incredibly difficult fight but jesus will win.

 

[RoboOp]

By the way when I made reference to "the milk we drink" I simply meant that the milk in America is unsafe because it comes from cows that are super-producers of milk because of that milk producing hormone or whatever from Monsanto. A crew from Fox News tried to do a special on it and Monsanto threatened Fox with a lawsuit and Fox pulled it and eventually had to fire the reporters who insisted on covering it. That was several years ago. Then just this month Monsanto apparently got a law anonymously slipped in to an unrelated package of laws that congress passed, a law which gives them huge legal immunity with regard to GMO foods. So it seems that they have a lot of power over the media and even congress. I don't mean that they're trying to rule the world or control our minds through something in the milk, I just mean there's real greed and corruption and they conspire in any way they can to increase their power and wealth without regard to all the long term health effects of their ubiquitous products that we consume.

 

[jerusalem]

disecting current events in the light of scripture is always a worthy pursuit. Jesus rebuked the religious leaders for being able to discern the weather but failing to recognize the signs of the times. He instructed His follower's to be on watch for the signs He would send to our then future age. we are to be observing and discerning the signs of the times as dilligently as we are to search the scriptures day and night to prove what is the perfect will of God. it is our responsibility to act as watchmen and warn people of the coming wrath so that they might escape. those of us that are doing this must also be as dilligent in encouraging and comforting each other as the day draws nigh.

 

[Stephen63]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

That is interesting, Rick!

I don't believe that Monsanto actually is conspiring to destroy the human race (and I don't think you're saying that either) -- they simply conspire to get rich at all costs, and apparently even "control" congress and the media to a great extent (simply for the purpose of raising their profit) -- but I can certainly see an even bigger and more detrimental spiritual conspiracy of Satan like you said (to steal, kill, and destroy), behind it. Thanks for that insight and food for thought.

You are correct, Robo. They don't want to destroy the population. They are wanting to depopulate the earth to a controllable level. What good is it to control the world if there's nobody to control?

There are facts we as christians can look for about these things right in the Bible.

Romans 13:1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

All through the O.T. God raised up nations & empires to bring Israel into judgement when needed. Whenever you look at World history, NO SUCH POWERFUL NATION OR EMPIRE EXISTED without God bringing it to pass. If God didn't need it, it didn't exist. God wouldn't allow something like that to exist on its own to interfere with His plan.


You yourself see a big picture of a world plan, however fragmented it may be. Those who know know it is fragmented on purpose so that disearning eyes cannot see the whole picture. A purposely framented empire. Does that remind anyone of any scriptures? How else can many "kings" make up the final empire of Nebuchadnezzar's vision?

The reason the church as a whole cannot see it I think is because they want to look at things behind spiritual rose-colored glasses That is only an opinion. Most Christians couldn't believe God could possibly consider such a thing. But look at Babylon. God called Nebuchadnezzar "my servant". God put that empire together for such a time to fulfill His will. He doesn't change. That last empire will be ordained by God just like all the others were. That was one of the points of the dream, to show that these thing will come to pass because He makes it so. This final Empire, seen or unseen, will bring the apostate church into judgement. That's its purpose.

By the way, great forum.

 

[Stephen63]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

Conspiracy is just a word.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. - (Has something to do with original sin).
It could be said that Monsanto and other GMO(genetically modified food) organizations do it only for profit.
It is also plain to see that anything with the gene helix modified has long term detrimental effects on biological lifeforms.

Satan uses words that sound nice: like 'gay' for sodomy, 'monetary easing' for flooding the money supply and thus degrading the value of the formerly saved monetary units, and 'gene splicing' for what is actually gene blasting.
- To get the desired effect certain genes are shot into the helix, whatever else is lost out of the 3.4 billion perfectly ordered links in the genetic code chain is not important to the $ bottom line.
Mice fed GMO corn are sterile by the 3rd and 4rth generation.

Do the research.

Some try to say erectile dysfunction has always been around. If that was the case, ginseng would have sold off the shelves by the millions years ago.

 

[Cee]

I don't disagree there is a conspiracy. I admit certain trends have made me politically apathetic.

However, I personally try to focus on things that I have control over and I don't seem to have any control over this realm.

So, I don't worry about it and leave it to God.

If God blesses me with influence in this area then I'll focus on it more.

C.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

They are wanting to depopulate the earth to a controllable level.

according to most conspiracy theorists the bad guys -already- control like 99.9% of the population...which is it?

 

[Stephen63]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

according to most conspiracy theorists the bad guys -already- control like 99.9% of the population...which is it?

They only want enough people here to do their dirty work.... that's all

 

[Kefa52]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

a theory is only a theory until it is disproved or shown to be a fact. the most recent theory that has proven to be a fact is that we are systematically losing our freedoms including the right to privacy. no one wanted to believe that we were being poisoned...then monsanto. no one wanted to believe the government was spying on private citizens... then prism. the list is longer but the point is keep your eyes and your mind open. not everything you here is bogus. a lot of what is bogus is out there to decoy us......another conspiracy theory.

I am not concerned with the things of this world. I have been here 57 years and I have been to many countries. MAN is a mess.

 

[Stephen63]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

I am not concerned with the things of this world. I have been here 57 years and I have been to many countries. MAN is a mess.

It's the course mankind is taking that's showing us the signs of the times. I'm not interested for worldly ambitions, but for what they can show us about the fulfillment of scripture. When I see prophesies unfold before my eyes, it encourages me to keep on keeping on, to be more watchful, for our redemption is drawing near!

 

[zone]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

the word 'conspiracy' itself is problematic...because the conspiracy theorists often think it is just a derogatory term used to dismiss them...and those who are critical of conspiracy theories have to put up with conspiracy theorists using annoying equivocation with the word 'conspiracy'...

'watergate was a real conspiracy...therefore there is nothing unreasonable about me suggesting that lizard people from the moon are conspiring to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids'

watergate was a real conspiracy?
deep throat and all that drama?
can you document that?

therefore there is nothing unreasonable about me suggesting that lizard people from the moon are conspiring to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids'

so far you and a few notable others are the only ones that ever talk about that junk.
i wonder why?

the word 'conspiracy' itself is problematic

only for the few...you just can't tell them nuthin'
its that odd thing that is uniquely american.
the most heavily assaulted nation - various means of propaganda including exceptionalism...do your homework please - produces this odd anti-revisionist ('officially sanctioned) history reactionary frothing.

amazing.

 

[zone]

Re: Christian Discernment on Real Conspiracy, Corruption, Greed, Agendas, etc.

I am not concerned with the things of this world. I have been here 57 years and I have been to many countries. MAN is a mess.

so you're not interested in how to witness, say, particularly to a Wall Street bank criminal - touching those things he knows he is involved in?

a media personality who has been lying to the public for decades?

or simply speaking the truth about HOW things like the rapid demoralization of America happened?
accidental?

yes, we can say: satan: judgment from God; hypocrite abound....but no interest whatsoever in understanding HOW the subversion happened?

because 'waking up" or deconditioning happens in stages.

and there are lost sinners around the world waking up to something...in varying degrees of awareness.
they are asking questions.

i like those discussions. when those folks realize you're not going to laugh them to scorn about what they DO SEE - then proceed to "tell them all about Jesus" (Who they can't see)....most often the convos go very well.

continuing communication happens.

sometimes i think christians just think : oh, i'm separate from the world.
nothing matters.
people need to get serious about their sin...etc etc


oh ya....like THAT's how it works.

OR.....we could open a MegaChurch and speak to their unmet needs and soothe their fears.
those fears are real, and they have a purpose - wake up sinner to the fact this world is coming to an end BECAUSE of those things you see...which ARE real...even if you're not able to equate that with words like SIN; Adam; Substitutionary Atonement etc just yet.

 

[RickShafer]

'the most heavily assaulted nation - various means of propaganda including exceptionalism...do your homework please - produces this odd anti-revisionist ('officially sanctioned') history reactionary frothing.'

I like that Zone.
Nice use of the descriptive and quite accurate.
- (not that I am judging who you are writing to, I just like the description.)