Gay Christian?

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Lyndies said:
Why would they choose this if they don't believe it's right or if they want to "be cured", or if they are being threatened, ostricised, or picked on for it?
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I don't think that persecution (unless it's on the level of losing one's life) would really deter homosexuals from blatant homosexual behavior. I've known two gay individuals in my life; one was extremely outspoken about it and another seemed to wear it like a badge. So I really don't think that persecution is any sort of deterrent. To these individuals their behavior is not a sin or a mental sickness - it's something that makes them different and thereby special and somehow gives added meaning to their lives. Maybe even attention that's not wholly unwanted.

And while I'm all for celebrating our differences and those qualities that make us unique, those differences that set us apart from God should not be cultivated. At any rate, I still think that in some cases it's a personal choice. In other cases it could stem from early childhood. And we can't discount the possibility that they were born that way either. We're all born with sinful natures, and it's our duty to strive against them to improve ourselves.
 
colalella2891 said:
What you said makes sense and I definitely agree with you. Willingly sinning isn't the right thing to do. Period. But even if someone willingly sins and still believes in God I still don't think He'd send them to Hell.
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Well, many people say they believe in God, but have they truly accepted him as their Lord and Savior and for the forgiveness of their sins? There is a difference between someone who says, "Yeah, I believe in God." but does not lead a Godly life and someone who says "I believe in God and I will do my best to serve him the best way I can with my life." No one is perfect, but someone who is truly a Christian will try their best to adhere to his word. I'm not saying they will always succeed, but if they do stumble, they will get back up again and try not to make that same mistake twice. See what I'm getting at?
 
I'm not sure how a Christian can say that being Gay is okay. However, I do think that you can be Gay and be a Christian at the same time. The fact that the Holy Spirit will be residing in them will help them to change their lifestyle. I don't believe God is going to keep Gay people out because of the things they do. That just doesn't line up to the God of the Bible that I know and Love, I've sinned and made plenty of mistakes while being saved, we all have. I'm no better than someone struggling with homosexuality, I've sinned in other ways.
 
I dare not infuse any opinion into such a serious topic. Let's see what the Word of God has to say on the topic.

Leviticus 18:22 KJV: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
 
colalella2891 said:
Doesn't it say in the Bible not to get tattoos or cut your hair/beard??? There's plenty of stuff in there that I don't understand. Granted, I'm still young and i'll admit I have much to learn about it.

But what I do know is:
Every sin is the same to God, and everyone sins. Homosexuality is the same as lying, lying is the same as murder, stealing is the same as murder, etc.

God doesn't view one sin as any worse than another, and since everyone sins everyday, everyone else wouldn't inherit the Kingdom of God either.

Everyone, even homosexuals, are covered by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

And I just don't believe that our loving and compassionate God would send us to Hell for sinning. Nope. He loves us.

Lol and debating isn't fun... :/
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When it speaks about tattoos, it is specifically referring to disfigurement in mourning, a pagan ritual at the time. When it speaks about the beard/ hair thing, also, in context.

When it speaks about homosexuality, it is crystal clear.

Again, you are someone who is debating the Bible with *your* own emotions and feelings. We are human, we feel. We are emotional. We have our opinions. But we can be, and are wrong. Which is why we have the Bible.

Every sin has the same effect on us, with respect to our relationship with God.

However, different sins have different magnitudes. Do you seriously believe that God looks the same at someone who breaks the speed limit, and the person who rapes and murders children?

Even the Bible speaks of varying condemnation. Some are greater than others.

The fact that God lists some abominations should tell you, if everything is not an abomination, sin to God is most definitely NOT the same.

Saying God is a loving god is a misnomer. If we can have changes in mood, can God? Read the Bible. He can get angry. He can hate. He can and will damn.

If you are struggling with some things in the Bible, why are you saying that everyone, even homosexuals are covered by the Blood of Jesus Christ? Doesn't that mean everyone is going to Heaven? Please, read the Bible for yourself, understand it and apply it before saying something like that. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that.
 
DustinC said:
I dare not infuse any opinion into such a serious topic. Let's see what the Word of God has to say on the topic.

Leviticus 18:22 KJV: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
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Wisdom.

I trust in the Jesus of the Bible for salvation.
 
OceanGrl said:
Well, many people say they believe in God, but have they truly accepted him as their Lord and Savior and for the forgiveness of their sins? There is a difference between someone who says, "Yeah, I believe in God." but does not lead a Godly life and someone who says "I believe in God and I will do my best to serve him the best way I can with my life." No one is perfect, but someone who is truly a Christian will try their best to adhere to his word. I'm not saying they will always succeed, but if they do stumble, they will get back up again and try not to make that same mistake twice. See what I'm getting at?
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James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. That's fine! Even the demons believe that and tremble with fear.
 
When I sin I usually admit to it unless I can find some where in scripture where it says that it was not a sin. But performing gay stuff is sinful. Sorry if you don't agree.
 
OceanGrl said:
Well, many people say they believe in God, but have they truly accepted him as their Lord and Savior and for the forgiveness of their sins? There is a difference between someone who says, "Yeah, I believe in God." but does not lead a Godly life and someone who says "I believe in God and I will do my best to serve him the best way I can with my life." No one is perfect, but someone who is truly a Christian will try their best to adhere to his word. I'm not saying they will always succeed, but if they do stumble, they will get back up again and try not to make that same mistake twice. See what I'm getting at?
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Once again, I like what you said.

But I personally just think God is too merciful to send a believer to Hell... Their sinning and ungodly lifestyle will will end up destroying them, but if they technically believe in Him they'll still go to Heaven when they die.

It's just what I think at the moment, i'm not disregarding your posts. You got me thinking about what you said, it does seem like there's a difference between accepting Christ into your heart and just believing in Him. I'll have to ask a pastor or someone at church to tell me what they think about all that, i'm curious about it now.
 
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colalella2891 said:
Once again, I like what you said.

It's just what I think at the moment, i'm not disregarding your posts. You got me thinking about what you said, it does seem like there's a difference between accepting Christ into your heart and just believing in Him. I'll have to ask a pastor or someone at church to tell me what they think about all that, i'm curious about it now.
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Sounds like a great idea, being a Christian is a learning process. We have to study his word to come to an understanding of its meaning. I'm glad that I have been able to stir up some curiosity in what I have been saying. :)
 
For many people who say they are Christian, it's ok to be gay, for others it's not...for some, during their walk they decide it's something they no longer wish to do....for others, it remains ok. For all of us, we need to stop being judgemental. Stand for what we believe and allow others to live as they do. We can comment when asked and then, after answering Scripturally in love, leave it. We are told in the Bible not to argue the Word. It is clear, if some do not see it then they are to be loved, prayed for and we can trust that if they are indeed saved, Christ will work in their hearts. For many the Christian walk is not a sprint but a stagger :) so let us leave God, who is the creator and the sustainer of ALL our faith, do His work in our hearts and not bang on! It does none of us any favors as the bride of Christ but simply sows hatred and division.

It is worth remembering something Christians would rather not focus on and conveniently ignore all the time. That is, that there is more in the Bible regarding gluttony than there is homosexuality. None of us are perfect! We are all broken pots...tarnished silver....and it is by the potters hands, the refiners fire that we are moulded and burnished....let us not be clanging cymbals but speak the truth in love, then let it be.

God Bless, <><
 
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When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.
 
hattiebod said:
For many people who say they are Christian, it's ok to be gay, for others it's not...for some, during their walk they decide it's something they no longer wish to do....for others, it remains ok. For all of us, we need to stop being judgemental. Stand for what we believe and allow others to live as they do. We can comment when asked and then, after answering Scripturally in love, leave it. We are told in the Bible not to argue the Word. It is clear, if some do not see it then they are to be loved, prayed for and we can trust that if they are indeed saved, Christ will work in their hearts. For many the Christian walk is not a sprint but a stagger :) so let us leave God, who is the creator and the sustainer of ALL our faith, do His work in our hearts and not bang on! It does none of us any favors as the bride of Christ but simply sows hatred and division.

It is worth remembering something Christians would rather not focus on and conveniently ignore all the time. That is, that there is more in the Bible regarding gluttony than there is homosexuality. None of us are perfect! We are all broken pots...tarnished silver....and it is by the potters hands, the refiners fire that we are moulded and burnished....let us not be clanging cymbals but speak the truth in love, then let it be.

God Bless, <><
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For it is God that gets us to stand and straighten out any errors in us we are only
1 Corinthians 3:6I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.
Thank you hattiebod for understanding the truth that is only found in God
 
colalella2891 said:
Once again, I like what you said.

But I personally just think God is too merciful to send a believer to Hell... Their sinning and ungodly lifestyle will will end up destroying them, but if they technically believe in Him they'll still go to Heaven when they die.

It's just what I think at the moment, i'm not disregarding your posts. You got me thinking about what you said, it does seem like there's a difference between accepting Christ into your heart and just believing in Him. I'll have to ask a pastor or someone at church to tell me what they think about all that, i'm curious about it now.
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When one does truly set their mind on to know God waht he did and why he did what he did then God will show then truth and this one and many others that come to truth just won't sin never on purpose, I mean ever wanting to. If God has accepted you which God has by beleif in God then there is no reason to be accepted by anyone else is there?
Ephesians 1:6to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
Ephesians 1:7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
Romans 3:24being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Romans 8:23Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

Ourfight is between flesh and blood and the Spirit of God. with this unredeemed body we serve the law of sin and death but with the Spirit of God hidden in us our new hearts we serve God
[h=3]Romans 7:20-22[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

so let us learn to walk by the hidden man of our heart that God placed in us the first day we decided to believe God
Ephesians 1:13
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise
2 Corinthians 1:22who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
 
Lyndies said:
Upfront (not that it matters), I am not gay.

That being said, I don't know how I feel about whether or not being gay and acting on it is a sin or not...but right now, I'm thinking that it's not. Again: I DON'T KNOW ECACTLY HOW I FEEL.

I know all of the verses that people use to point out that it is wrong and not how God created it.

BUT, I've also heard views on the other side of it. I also study a bit of ancient history in school and know that man-on-man action in the Bible wasn't what it is today. Then, it was talking about rape and that has never been ok. (I also don't have all the facts on this.)

I know Christians who are gay and are ok with God. They feel that it is not a sin (and I know they aren't justifying their sin by saying this--they've actually experienced God's comfort in who they are with this...meaning that they are gay).

So, I was wondering if anyone on here is gay and would like to share how they feel in their relationship with God on this.

Comments from straight people are welcome, too, of course.

I've just been incredibly curious and confused about this for a while.
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Matthew 22:37Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
Luke 10:27So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”

What is God actually against? taking away of anothers free will? We all have free will yes? When god decided to flod the earth what was God mad over?
Genesis 6:5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
In the days of sodom and Gommorah it was destroyed as well because man took man's free will form others, I personally do not agree with being gay for me that is my free choice and who would I be to take away anothers free choice unless they were doing this to another that I saw and then I personally would have to do something about it
No one is here for the purpose to take away free choice, we are tol ive together inLove forone another ahvingt compassion one for the other and not go against anothers free will. my opbedience is not perfect and evewn if it were I would have to say like Christ did to the woman neither do I condem you, now go and harm no one no more.
 
Meerkat said:
Why are you replying to things that were not said to you?
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Meerkat, this is a discussion forum. Everyone reading it has the right to respond. He's not butting into anyone's conversation. Again, this is everyone's conversation that would like to join in.
 
Georgiana said:
Meerkat, this is a discussion forum. Everyone reading it has the right to respond. He's not butting into anyone's conversation. Again, this is everyone's conversation that would like to join in.
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I did not reply here to debate. I replied to talk to an OP, which I should have never done because they are apparently gone or have stopped frequenting this thread.

I posted, then was swarmed by people who wanted to prove my beliefs wrong.

I am not here to butt heads with anyone. I do not want to put down someone elses beliefs like others have done to me. I want to live and let live.
 
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