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It is just whenever something like ''speaking in tongues'' comes up it leads to ALL who do not speak in tongues as a judgement towards them.
Saying ANYONE who does not speak in tongues MUST have a lack of faith..MUST not be saved.
this is judgement and people NOT taking the way to the GATE as Jesus said to.
Saying ANYONE who does not speak in tongues MUST have a lack of faith..MUST not be saved.
this is judgement and people NOT taking the way to the GATE as Jesus said to.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
Jesus speaking to the JEWS as well as ANYONE who tries to get to Heaven OTHER than the way HE says..which is by HIM and the truth of HIS life, death and resurrection.
ALL else is JUST not truthful OR faithful.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
Jesus speaking to the JEWS as well as ANYONE who tries to get to Heaven OTHER than the way HE says..which is by HIM and the truth of HIS life, death and resurrection.
ALL else is JUST not truthful OR faithful.
Funny how often things come back in another form 
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I see part of the debate in the whole gift thing overlooked every time when same issue comes up elsewhere. Do we just vent? Or are we really searching truth here? So what resources do we use than, is my wandering. The Bible? Or what this or that person is telling us.
Scripture.
To test the Spirit needs the discernment of the Spirit, but what is more easy in general to explain is to test the fruit. It is IMPOSSIBLE to test as general Christian fruit through internet. It takes time to see somebodies life to examine it. But. It is mentioned in scriptures:
So I can say based on SCRIPTURE: she acts not ok. God is a God of order not confusing people on internet. They had to hold back on speaking in tongues in church to let people be at ease. Unbelievers would otherwise think that believers are crazy. Still this wrong acting does not mean yet to me that she does not speak Biblical-tongues, maybe she is a child in faith.
I have an example in scripture that Paul sometimes did not approve with the motives but enjoyed the righteous words someone spoke. The person was not ok in his motives, but the words said where ok. Something to ponder about....
Paul says speaking in tongues is ok. I cannot find any reason in the Bible to say speaking in tongues in private or with an interpreter in church is not ok.
BUT: Not all (modern-day)tongues are from God. Therefore we need discernment.
Discernment.
I can tell if I think this (or something else) is ok, by discernment (in the Spirit) but you know what happens than? You probably doubt ME. Even when I would give the right answer to God (because it's my relationship with God) you personally do not know me. So how on earth can you trust me than? You can easily say that I just say "my opinion". A forum is not the right place to ask this question. A human voice will never convince a person of THE SPIRIT nor can a human voice convince of evil, only Gods Spirit can.
Whom is the giver/Giver?
Every time the great point in this debates is. IS IT FROM GOD
well....WHOM knows best if it is so?
Seek and yea shall know.....ask God.
You all trust God, but for sure not some bunch of Pentecostals BUT...do you trust God???
. I see part of the debate in the whole gift thing overlooked every time when same issue comes up elsewhere. Do we just vent? Or are we really searching truth here? So what resources do we use than, is my wandering. The Bible? Or what this or that person is telling us.
Scripture.
To test the Spirit needs the discernment of the Spirit, but what is more easy in general to explain is to test the fruit. It is IMPOSSIBLE to test as general Christian fruit through internet. It takes time to see somebodies life to examine it. But. It is mentioned in scriptures:
Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?1 Cor 4:6
If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?1 Cor 13:24
If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.1 Cor 14:27
So I can say based on SCRIPTURE: she acts not ok. God is a God of order not confusing people on internet. They had to hold back on speaking in tongues in church to let people be at ease. Unbelievers would otherwise think that believers are crazy. Still this wrong acting does not mean yet to me that she does not speak Biblical-tongues, maybe she is a child in faith.
I have an example in scripture that Paul sometimes did not approve with the motives but enjoyed the righteous words someone spoke. The person was not ok in his motives, but the words said where ok. Something to ponder about....
Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: 16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: 17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. 18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. Fil 1:12-18
Paul says speaking in tongues is ok. I cannot find any reason in the Bible to say speaking in tongues in private or with an interpreter in church is not ok.
BUT: Not all (modern-day)tongues are from God. Therefore we need discernment.
Discernment.
I can tell if I think this (or something else) is ok, by discernment (in the Spirit) but you know what happens than? You probably doubt ME. Even when I would give the right answer to God (because it's my relationship with God) you personally do not know me. So how on earth can you trust me than? You can easily say that I just say "my opinion". A forum is not the right place to ask this question. A human voice will never convince a person of THE SPIRIT nor can a human voice convince of evil, only Gods Spirit can.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Rom 8:16
Whom is the giver/Giver?
Every time the great point in this debates is. IS IT FROM GOD
well....WHOM knows best if it is so?
Seek and yea shall know.....ask God.
You all trust God, but for sure not some bunch of Pentecostals
BUT...do you trust God???
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Then listen: 1 Corinthians 13:1 ¶Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Those are Paul's words.
Will you not also refrain from seeing that he is defending your right to speak gibberish so that you are free to see that he speaks of love and really listen to him?
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
Those are Paul's words.
Will you not also refrain from seeing that he is defending your right to speak gibberish so that you are free to see that he speaks of love and really listen to him?
Right to speak gibberish? I think Paul says we should NOT speak gibberish as it is a stumblingblock to others.
And he says MANY times it is wrong to do this..did he defned the right of the Corinthians to speak gibberish? Or to falsely use ''tongues''. This is a chastisement to them and that lead to his DEFINING it.
And he says MANY times it is wrong to do this..did he defned the right of the Corinthians to speak gibberish? Or to falsely use ''tongues''. This is a chastisement to them and that lead to his DEFINING it.
I have carefully listened to Paul and learned what that love is which puts me in that holy inspired word to practice it.
Until you fully listen you cannot do that. And you cannot fully listen as you are distracted by looking at something else, so as to rejoice in yourself that you are special to God as he has blessed you to speak in tongues that you do not even understand.
Until you fully listen you cannot do that. And you cannot fully listen as you are distracted by looking at something else, so as to rejoice in yourself that you are special to God as he has blessed you to speak in tongues that you do not even understand.
From the dream interpretation thread:
Determine.
Within the movement? I am not in any movement than in a personal moving by the Holy Spirit and relationship of Jesus Christ. So I can tell you how I determine what is bad or not.
1 I read the Bible, to gain knowledge of what is Christlike/ Biblical.
...as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, Ef 5:25,26
2 I use the Bible to reprove, rebuke, exhort and pierce.
3 I pray for the Spirit to discern and the right way to walk.
Determine.
Within the movement? I am not in any movement than in a personal moving by the Holy Spirit and relationship of Jesus Christ. So I can tell you how I determine what is bad or not.
1 I read the Bible, to gain knowledge of what is Christlike/ Biblical.
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so Act 17:11
This is what Paul did teach the Thessalonians:
Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. 2 'Thes 5:19-21
I guess they searched this too.....
But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp. Num 11:26
And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them! Num 11:29
Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest. Jes 32:15
...as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, Ef 5:25,26
2 I use the Bible to reprove, rebuke, exhort and pierce.
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Math 4:7
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God Ef 6:17
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 2 Tim 4:2
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebr 4:12
3 I pray for the Spirit to discern and the right way to walk.
And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left. Jes 30:21
to another discerning of spirits 1 Cor 12:10
to another discerning of spirits 1 Cor 12:10
That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; Phil 1:10
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Heb 5:14
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Rev 3:18
Well thank you for being the enlightened one. And defining me as someone who is not studied in scripture. And to claim you are ''Holy inspired'' to do it puts you in a totally different place of peiousness.
And to claim I do not LISTEN..as you say I should listen is the VERY nature of I am speaking of. A religious opinionated discussion of ''If you do not listen to me because I am Holy inspired, then you must not understand''.
You are not GOD and you are NOT Paul. We are here to discuss. NOT to judge someone on their lack of understanding based upon your ''Holy inspired'' provocation to chastise those who disagree with you.
And to claim I do not LISTEN..as you say I should listen is the VERY nature of I am speaking of. A religious opinionated discussion of ''If you do not listen to me because I am Holy inspired, then you must not understand''.
You are not GOD and you are NOT Paul. We are here to discuss. NOT to judge someone on their lack of understanding based upon your ''Holy inspired'' provocation to chastise those who disagree with you.